GTP Le Mans Prototype Series : Season 4 Complete

[GT5_X2010]

The only problem is that randomising the weather settings like that make sit biased towards wet conditions. Let me explain:

0% - Dry
25% - Dry
50% - wet
75% - wet
100% - wet

That makes the chance of a dry track 2 in 5. So we have a much higher chance of rain racing. Already realism has gone out the door because you are alot more likely to have a dry race than a wet race in real life.

Then the surface water. Only one value is dry. 10% and 20% are nearly dry in terms of feel for the car meaning that they can be classed as dry but that makes the chance of the track starting of dry 3 out of 10. THREE OUT OF TEN!!!! Thats stupid. And that is the problem. If we use a random generator, then the chance of a dry race is next to 0 while the chance of a wet race is very very high. So if we rely on outside systems, the races are pretty much rain races, which defeats what we are trying to solve.

So, outside random generators make chance of a dry race next to 0. GT5 makes the pre-race go dry to wet and then the race itself will just be wet. Dry races are the only sensible alternative. I don't understand why you can't see that. It is a choice between nearly garanteed wet races, guranteed wet races or dry races. Hmmm.

 

[Aqua F1]

Got to say, Golfer does have a point.

 

[amf7]

Dry races are best anyway

 

[Aqua F1]

OMG, look at the news page.










FOOTAGE OF SPA!!!

 

[jakegirard]

Zero chance of having weather off guys. Stopwhining BC you can't drive in the wet, lets be real, we all know the people complaining about weather are the worst wet weather drivers.
Real talk.

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

The only problem is that randomising the weather settings like that make sit biased towards wet conditions. Let me explain:

0% - Dry
25% - Dry
50% - wet
75% - wet
100% - wet

That makes the chance of a dry track 2 in 5. So we have a much higher chance of rain racing. Already realism has gone out the door because you are alot more likely to have a dry race than a wet race in real life.

Then the surface water. Only one value is dry. 10% and 20% are nearly dry in terms of feel for the car meaning that they can be classed as dry but that makes the chance of the track starting of dry 3 out of 10. THREE OUT OF TEN!!!! Thats stupid. And that is the problem. If we use a random generator, then the chance of a dry race is next to 0 while the chance of a wet race is very very high. So if we rely on outside systems, the races are pretty much rain races, which defeats what we are trying to solve.

So, outside random generators make chance of a dry race next to 0. GT5 makes the pre-race go dry to wet and then the race itself will just be wet. Dry races are the only sensible alternative. I don't understand why you can't see that. It is a choice between nearly garanteed wet races, guranteed wet races or dry races. Hmmm.

You assign more weight to dry races to offset that.

Let's say you roll 2 6-sided dice.

2 = 0% weather / 0% surface water
3 = 0% weather / 0% surface water
4 = 0% weather / 0% surface water
5 = 0% weather / 0% surface water
6 = 25% weather / 0% surface water
7 = 25% weather / 0% surface water
8 = 25% weather / 0% surface water
9 = 50% weather / 0% surface water
10 = 75% weather / 0% surface water
11 = 100% weather / 50% surface water
12 = 100% weather / 75% surface water

or something like that would yield:

Dry start: 73% chance
Dry track surface: 82% chance
Rain later in the race: ~ 36% chance

 

[bombe32]

Can't fool Mike.

If you're still thinking of a rolling-the-dice method, remember to roll the dice 13 times.

OMG, look at the news page.










FOOTAGE OF SPA!!!

How could one miss that... that's why it's placed on the front page, don't sound surprised, mate.

 

[Peter.]

I'm still keeping all of my options open. But 905 is looking likely.

I don't think it is a car capable of winning the championship but I won't win the title again so it makes it irrelavent. I still think I have the speed as I have proven in the races I had raced in this season but not the consistency with the race times, poor connection etc.

So if you do drop the GT One, no Team Alonso?

Hey, i'll give the 908 a go, i'm also open to other options, maybe something that's almost as fast, but easier on its tyres.

 

[bermudakid]

I have yet to play around with any new spec 2.0 settings yet. but since we did the all of this season on what i guess is just high draft, it will be high draft tomorrow

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

I have yet to play around with any new spec 2.0 settings yet. but since we did the all of this season on what i guess is just high draft, it will be high draft tomorrow

Sweet...can't wait for La Sarthe tomorrow

 

[GT5_X2010]

You assign more weight to dry races to offset that.

Let's say you roll 2 6-sided dice.

2 = 0% weather / 0% surface water
3 = 0% weather / 0% surface water
4 = 0% weather / 0% surface water
5 = 0% weather / 0% surface water
6 = 25% weather / 0% surface water
7 = 25% weather / 0% surface water
8 = 25% weather / 0% surface water
9 = 50% weather / 0% surface water
10 = 75% weather / 0% surface water
11 = 100% weather / 50% surface water
12 = 100% weather / 75% surface water

or something like that would yield:

Dry start: 73% chance
Dry track surface: 82% chance
Rain later in the race: ~ 36% chance

Off set it by a bigger amount, then fix the weather on whatever the dice decides. If not, then by the time the race starts, one hour after lobby opening, the track will have already started raining. So Mike, use your system, then set changeability at 0 otherwise we still end up with a garunteed wet race. That is the best system otherwise you would have to fix the weather to dry.

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Off set it by a bigger amount, then fix the weather on whatever the dice decides. If not, then by the time the race starts, one hour after lobby opening, the track will have already started raining. So Mike, use your system, then set changeability at 0 otherwise we still end up with a garunteed wet race. That is the best system otherwise you would have to fix the weather to dry.

That's true, I didn't take the qualy into account.

How long did it take for rain to come when the lobby started with 50 percent weather and 5 change? Let's assume we restart the lobby right before the qualy race, which takes X amount of minutes, and then the race takes about 45.

We are on the right track here, thanks for all the Spec 2.0 weather testing.

 

[Aqua F1]

50% weather basically means its either raining all ready when loaded up or extremely overcast and about to rain. 25% weather is the best.

EDIT: I'll do a 3 tests or so at La Sarthe with 25% weather, 5 changability and 0% standing water for an hour or so.

 

[amf7]

Is the race tonight extended.???

Woop woop look who got pole

 

[GT5_X2010]

Woop woop look who got pole

I know. Adrian did a really good job today. And to have the front tyre explode in the last corner and he held on to clinch pole by little over two seconds. What were Red Bull thinking?!!! Intermediate conditions are only needed when it is wet!!!!

How long did it take for rain to come when the lobby started with 50 percent weather and 5 change? Let's assume we restart the lobby right before the qualy race, which takes X amount of minutes, and then the race takes about 45.

We are on the right track here, thanks for all the Spec 2.0 weather testing.

Well the test we did on 5 changeability, we began on 0% and it was 48 minutes when rain began. So if you reset the track, it would be dry at the end of the race, just with rain coming down. 50% weather, you end up with something like a 1 in 6 chance of heavy overcast weather or else it is intermediate rain. I think that with the dice thing, have about 8 sets of 0%, 0%. I think there should be a set of 25% weather, 40% surface water, and then there should be a 50% weather, 60% surface and then one double 100%. That way, the overwhelming chance is that it will be dry. There will be a realistic chance of rain compared with real life and we have possibility of an epic surface water start.

Tom is doing testing now so I will join him. I think that we shoudl experiment with 3/4 changeability. If that proves inconclusive, then I say we slightly increase chance of rain and have the weather changeability at 0.

 

[Aqua F1]

Did 40 minutes and completely dry. In fact, I think a few clouds went.

 

[SebVettelFan]

Is the race tonight extended.???

Woop woop look who got pole

FFS put it in spoilers next time
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Also, as much as I know it is necessary, I am so bored of weather talk

 

[Aqua F1]

FFS put it in spoilers next time
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Also, as much as I know it is necessary, I am so bored of weather talk

Stop being lazy and wake up at 5:30 to prevent this.

 

[SebVettelFan]

Stop being lazy and wake up at 5:30 to prevent this.

It's not just me though. BK has consistently said don't put real life F1 news here because he doesn't watch qualifying or the race live

 

[bombe32]

Stop being lazy and wake up at 5:30 to prevent this.

Time zones...
If you want to discuss the F1 it's good there's an F1 section in these forums.
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FINAL ROUND, YAAAAYY... and then the autumn holiday next week together with Spa Francorchamps, that should provide some fun...

 

[amf7]

So how longs tonights race??

 

[bombe32]

The Night Series had 23 laps + pace lap, so I'm guessing we will have the same. In dry weather that's 1 hr 30 mins, with the weather change we could expect 1 hr 45-55 mins.

 

[amf7]

Ok

 

[Drum404]

The Night Series had 23 laps + pace lap, so I'm guessing we will have the same. In dry weather that's 1 hr 30 mins, with the weather change we could expect 1 hr 45-55 mins.

*17 + pace lap, took an hour and twenty

Good luck today guys

 

[SebVettelFan]

Yeah good luck today everyone. I probably won't be able to male it tonight so have a good one

 

[C Ronaldo 7]

Stop being lazy and wake up at 5:30 to prevent this.

Well, it was 5:00 am that the programme started. Of course I woke up for it! 5 hours of sleep but anything for F1, even if Alonso is having a **** season.

EDIT: Damn, hope you can make it Seb...

 

[Aqua F1]

Well, it was 5:00 am that the programme started. Of course I woke up for it! 5 hours of sleep but anything for F1, even if Alonso is having a **** season.

EDIT: Damn, hope you can make it Seb...

Hehe, Alonso outqualified by Massa again .

But yeah, tonight should hopefully be a good fun race, abielt with the inevitable rain. What weather settings we running?

Doing 3:26.5's to low 3:27's at the moment.

 

[GT5_X2010]

 

[C Ronaldo 7]

No practice for me lol.

 

[SebVettelFan]