GTP_WRS Week 52 : F IS For Fast

[Chadwicksracing]

Doing a wall tap in the last corner on the runup before you start your flying lap to get better initial speed at the start line? That's amoral, right?

I would certainly think so 👍 Just because people don't see it doesn't mean it's not cheating

I always try to avoid a wall tap on the start of the lap as it usually will give me a penalty 9 times out 10 anyway And I don't think the wall tap necessarily improves your exit speed much if at all...just improves the transition speed from entry to exit so you can get on the gas just a bit sooner and make the total time from entry to exit shorter. But on your outlap you don't really care about entry speed, so you can sit up top close to the wall to maximize your exit (without touching the wall of course).

While it is cheating, who could possible prove that you did in fact hit the wall on your last turn?

TA, I have run HSR enough to know that if you bounce off that wall, it angles your car almost perfectly for a superb exit. Without hitting the wall I can get to about 141 before the line. I bet I could get 143 before the line with a wall hit. That is a huge difference in a lap.

Will I do that? No because I won't cheat to be the fastest. Besides what will that get me? A few congrats for a fast lap, a podium. Its merely insignificant to the realm of things. Cheating is weak, and for someone that is already FAST on this track, WHY?

However, the thing that comforts me here is the fact that I race with YOU guys. I respect that a lot. Because I know that it will be a fair race with GTP racer. GTP makes this fair for me. 👍

Maybe they need to see a replay of two laps, the lap before the fastest lap and the fastest lap. That would ultimately solve the problem with using the wall as a cheat to gain exit speed for the next lap.

But, I will say this, when I was competing in the Logitech challenge at HSR, it was utterly amazing what those people would do to win. I had a clean lap, and it was 11th, against all cheaters. 👎

Now I can see why many hate HSR.

Chad

Our intent here is to regard clean driving, above all else.

Now, I'm not saying that if you accidentally tap the wall on the prior lap that you need to just hit reset. But if you are working to intentionally gain an advantage by building up more start line speed on your hotlap by wall riding the last corner of the prior lap, that should be avoided.

👍 👍 👍

 

[zed300]

First practice session, about 40 laps(approx 90mins)

31.029
52.870
1'15.776

I've seen a couple of 30.9's, but this was my fastest second half of the lap.

 

[The Outlaw]

TA, I have run HSR enough to know that if you bounce off that wall, it angles your car almost perfectly for a superb exit. Without hitting the wall I can get to about 141 before the line. I bet I could get 143 before the line with a wall hit. That is a huge difference in a lap.

Yea because without the wall tap you're sacrificing your exit speed for a quick ENTRY up to the transition of the corner (where you go from off throttle and roll it back on), that is only IF you carried maximum speed into the corner (which is the key point). By carrying maximum speed into corner you're sacrificing the potential exit speed you can achieve cleanly. If you don't worry about the entry on the outlap and only focus on the exit, the speed at the line will be about the same if you ride the cement bricking correctly, in comparison if you were to wall ride. A lot of it is luck though to nail that last corner cleanly. At least that's what I've found 👍

And there's no arguing that wall riding will improve the mph you can potentially achieve at the line when coming off a flying lap. But that wasn't the issue that Cohiba brought
up.

Edit: I'm already beginning to see a bit of GTP invasion on the leader board

 

[EDK]

And there's no arguing that wall riding will improve your mph at the line if coming off a flying lap. But that wasn't the issue that Cohiba brought up.

My response was intended for either circumstance.

At the same time, I know when I get to lapping, I get out of rhythm if I have to keep hitting reset.

So, if I run a dirty lap and the game does not DQ my next lap (As it does in the case of a severe wall hit or corner cut in the last turn) then I continue on.

But to intentionally wall ride to optimize your start line speed, on either a hot lap or during the lead in, would be against the spirit of the rules.

 

[Jump_Ace]

EDIT: nevermind, Kev answered

Jerome

 

[The Outlaw]

My response was intended for either circumstance.

At the same time, I know when I get to lapping, I get out of rhythm if I have to keep hitting reset.

So, if I run a dirty lap and the game does not DQ my next lap (As it does in the case of a severe wall hit or corner cut in the last turn) then I continue on.

But to intentionally wall ride to optimize your start line speed, on either a hot lap or during the lead in, would be against the spirit of the rules.

I 100% agree 👍

I'm not promoting wall riding in anyway...just pointing out that you can achieve pretty much identical exit speeds on your outlap (or even off pace lap) if you ride the cement (no wall riding) curbing perfectly and don't worry about the speed you carry INTO the corner, while only focusing on the drive out of it.

 

[spyrrari]

I 100% agree 👍

I'm not promoting wall riding in anyway...just pointing out that you can achieve pretty much identical exit speeds on your outlap (or even off pace lap) if you ride the cement (no wall riding) curbing perfectly and don't worry about the speed you carry INTO the corner, while only focusing on the drive out of it.

100% agree with you TA...you can get the exact exit speed out of the 1st corner if you just go into it much slower than when on a hot lap and concentrate purely on the exit of it ....👍


Just did a few more laps today and improved a little,whas actually testing my DFGT wheel after modifying ...i oiled/greased the internals of the wheel and made some hotair exit vents on the wheel cover,after i found it to become extremaly hot after only 30 minutes of play...it workes pefect now and makes less sound!!!...


New laptime:. 1'15.219.



spyrrari.

 

[PASM]

Just did a few more laps today and improved a little,whas actually testing my DFGT wheel after modifying ...i oiled/greased the internals of the wheel and made some hotair exit vents on the wheel cover,after i found it to become extremaly hot after only 30 minutes of play...it workes pefect now and makes less sound!!!...

What kind of oil or grease did you use?

 

[JoostBaksteen]

Nice times spyrrari!

I've had a quick practice session (about 10min) yesterday which wasn't very fast (1.18.260 was my fastest lap).

Today I started the official run, without any practice, and submitted my time as I don't have any time in the rest of the week. I don't expect much, but at least i've submitted something...

Good luck to you all!

 

[EDK]

Too late for those that have already posted with this information. But I've added to the first post that we do not want you to discuss the official time frame that you run in. This is to help mask final lap times, at least to a degree.

 

[LinPark]

What kind of oil or grease did you use?

Indeed - do tell. I might need to do the same thing for my G25 since its been running a little hot lately and emitting some interesting aromas from the air slits on the top.

 

[spyrrari]

What kind of oil or grease did you use?

Some plastic friendly grease i got from a friend of mine ,he uses it for his radio controll cars/boats....don't know the brand,but you can get it in either hardware stores or special shops for radiocontroll stuff...
Just make sure you don't use any grease wich normally is used for steel/iron parts...it will distroy the plastic internal parts !!!....

You can read a little bit more about it in this thread:https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=120586



Sorry for the offtopic Kevin,will stop now...



spyrrari.

 

[Crispy74]

Hi all,

After my first 20 lap practice session,

T1 31.026
T2 52.913
Lap time 1'15.840

 

[01GTP]

I had my first practice session last night.

Enjoyable combo, Kevin.

t1....30.931
t2....52.845

1'15.683

 

[OnlyMe]

Found a small improvement in todays run. Still not in the top 100, but getting there (slowly)

1'16.666 (shame there's no smiley with little horns )

 

[NicoloPicolo]

I had my first practice session last night.

Enjoyable combo, Kevin.

t1....30.931
t2....52.845

1'15.683

That's an excellent time.
I'm impressed

 

[GTP_CICO]

Improved quite a bit.
I did a 1'15.514 with a T1: 30.870.
Best T1 I have seen was a 30.791 so still room for improvement .

 

[MarkWebber]

1'15.036, lost .025 in T1 and then .050 at the last bend, so I reckon a 1'14.9xx is possible, weather or not that can be achieved during the 90 minute stint is the question

 

[The Outlaw]

1'15.036, lost .025 in T1 and then .050 at the last bend, so I reckon a 1'14.9xx is possible, weather or not that can be achieved during the 90 minute stint is the question

Damn Dan...setting the bar again I'll have to watch your replay and see what kind of magic you're working with this time I see GTdrivers_Moose is hot on your tail

Improved quite a bit.
I did a 1'15.514 with a T1: 30.870.
Best T1 I have seen was a 30.791 so still room for improvement .

Nice time with the 6-axis mate 👍

 

[NicoloPicolo]

1'15.036, lost .025 in T1 and then .050 at the last bend, so I reckon a 1'14.9xx is possible, weather or not that can be achieved during the 90 minute stint is the question

ok, Dan strikes again ! oO

And what I find scary is that you're telling us :
"1'14.9xx is possible"

Are you the real Mark Webber ?

 

[The Outlaw]

ok, Dan strikes again ! oO

And what I find scary is that you're telling us :
"1'14.9xx is possible"

Are you the real Mark Webber ?

He's Mark Webber V.2...the faster and improved Mark Webber I don't think the real Webber could even think about putting in laps as nice as Dan does...but maybe I'm wrong haha!

 

[Chadwicksracing]

While Dans lap is nice. Great lap! 👍 I plan on putting those wall ridding cheaters to shame when I pass their time this week...With a CLEAN LAP!

My sole mission now is to pass those dirty laps. Everything else is bonus...(D2 podium..ect) haha

If you see my replay it looks like I touch the wall, but in fact I come within 6-12 inches of the wall almost every corner. I love it.

Lap = 1'15.197

 

[NicoloPicolo]

ok, so I tried to chase Dan tonight .
And he is right, he can gain some time in both T1 and T2 !!

Chasing an excellent driver helps a lot :
My new time is 1'15.466 (20th on the board uhuh !)
T1 : 30.927
T2 : 52.613

I see where I can do it better but will take some laps !

 

[steven]

Leaderboard updated.

 

[GTP_CICO]

Nice time with the 6-axis mate 👍

Thanks , that coming from the Six-axis champion.

 

[dranddad]

1'16.635

 

[Duke of Pendle]

Another practice session last night, and I improved a bit

1'15.505

 

[GTP_CICO]

Another run: 1'15.440.

Still not happy should be able to get .050-.100 faster. But its very hard to be consistant at that pace for me.

 

[Joylord]

first time in the car tonight I think it's quite a nice car. 1'16.717
Is there anybody else here that uses the cockpit veiw? I would Like to compare.

 

[OnlyMe]

Another small improvement.

1'16.389

Which means I get on the on-line board, yay (but probably not for long though )