GTP_WRS Week 74 : Ironman's Iron

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  1. EDK

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    GTSport Week 74 : Ironman's Iron

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    Hotlap Event in Arcade Mode Time Trial

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    BMW Z8 '01

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    Tokyo Expressway - Central Outer Loop

    :: Open to All GTPlanet Registry Members ::

    :: Members are not obligated to take part ::

    Overview (How Does This Work?):
    • You must be part of our registry to participate.
    • These are Time Trial Events, we have Online Races here.
    • Set the game up according to the event, car and track details below.
    • Save Your BEST LAP replay before exiting your session.
    • Be sure and run cleanly to the end of the first sector after setting your fast lap. If you exit right away, your time stamp may not show up in your replay.
    • Report your split times in here, so you can compare your pace to other racers, without revealing the full lap time. (Note: this is required if participating)
    • Our leaderboard shows how you stack up during the week, before the deadline.
    • Submit your lap via PM to our Fetchbot, before the event deadline.
    • On deadline day, we will publish the results in our leaderboard and in a thread in this section.
    • Identified replays will be checked by your fellow participants to be sure you meet the event regulations.

    Race Details:
    • Mode: Arcade Mode > Time Trial
    • Track: Tokyo Expressway - Central Outer Loop
    • Car Type: Garage Car
    • Make: BMW
    • Model: Z8 '01
    • Max Power HP: 395 (Stock)
    • Weight: 3,549 lbs / 1,610 kg (stock)
    Driving Options:
    • Transmission: Auto or Manual
    • Tires: Sports Soft (front and rear)
    • Driving Line, Cones, Markers: Optional
    • Traction Control | ASM | ABS: Optional
    • Brake Balance: Optional
    • Countersteering Assist: Prohibited
    • Tuning: No Tuning Allowed: Power and weight are to be stock.
    • In-Race Multi-Function Display (MFD) Functions: Optional
    • Custom Wheels: Allowed if available
    • Paint and Racing #: Livery editor Allowed if available
    Course Settings:
    • Time: Optional

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    Standard Clean OLR Rules (These Apply to ALL Events):
    • The event MUST be run using your registered PSN account.
    • The use of the clutch is strictly prohibited.
    • Use of the Handbrake is Prohibited.
    • No Contact with walls or other objects. Any contact with walls, no matter how minor, will result in a DQ.
    • At Least 2 Tires must be in contact with track at all times (See image below).
      • In situations where contact with the track is not possible because tires are airborne (above the ground), then the run is only legal if at least two tires in-line would have made contact with the track if the car were not airborne.
      • If track contact cannot be 100% determined, then consider it dirty.
    • Rumble/ripple strips are part of the track.
    • No contact with walls or objects, visible or invisible.
    • If you're not 100% sure that your lap is clean, then consider it dirty.
    • No hybrids.
    • No cheating of any kind,these are relaxed races and we are experienced racers, we know what times can be done,and we can read your mind. We will know.
    • Nothing that goes against the spirit of the rules.

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    Race Specifics (Rules for This Specific Event):

    • All hard surfaces are track, just don't hit the walls or curbs.

    Steward's Comments:
    Combo courtesy of @routergod24 , who won the Allibubba Ironman Challenge by participating in every WRS Time Trial on GT Sport and being the only member of that exclusive club. This is not a combo I would have picked, but the car is oddly suited to the track. Just enough throttle on oversteer to help keep you off the walls, and that V8 engine sound is fantastic. This is an interesting car, there were only 5,703 made. I actually saw one in person driving south on the 680 freeway in the bay area on my way to the Monterey historics at Laguna Seca, probably around 10 years ago. It also happened to be silver, which was the color our combo selector asked for in the pics. :)

    Saving Replays, Viewing sector times and Submissions:
    • You need to make sure you use the 'Save Best Lap Replay' (ghost replay), not the 'Save Replay' (See pic below).
    • Before saving your replay ensure that you continue running after completing your fast lap until at least the end of first sector. This will ensure you have a complete replay.
    • To view your best lap replay, go to 'My Library' and watch the replay from there using the 'Replays' option.
    • While viewing your Replay, enter the live timing screen to view your sector splits. You will need to do this after your car has passed the sector markers to see it listed.
    • Simply post the splits that are shown in the live timing screen, and our Fetchbot will parse them and add them together for your total sector time.
    • When saving your fastest lap replay please ensure that you watch the replay to the end and that it displays your full lap time. Any replays submitted that do not show the posted lap time will result in a DQ.
    • Remember - When you submit your time you're also declaring that your run is 100% clean. We request replays for the purpose of verifying to all those concerned that the drivers claim is correct, which in turn safeguards the integrity of the driver, and just as importantly, the WRS. The golden rule is to check your replay before submission. If you’re still unsure, check it again, ask for a second opinion and if you’re still undecided, run the lap again.

    (Best Lap Replay Save)

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    Thread rules:

    The following information cannot be discussed in this thread (they can, however, be discussed on Skype or via other private IM service.):
    • Total Lap Time.
    • Any information which can be used to infer your total lap time.
    • If you choose to Share your Best-Lap Replay via GT Sport before the deadline,your full lap time will be considered to be shared publicly which contravenes our rules. Even if you've only shared with Friends.
    The following information can be discussed in this thread :
    • The first 3 sectors: T1, T2 and T3 times.
    • Any settings discussion.

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    Submission:

    All submissions must be sent by PM (Subject title: GTP_WRS Week 74 Submission ) to (WRSFetchbot):
    • Please submit your FULL LAP TIME in the following format on a single line:
      X:XX.XXX
      (Example-) 1:10.100
    • You will get an automated response within 15min, letting you know whether your submission was accepted, or if you had an error.
    • For those of you who were used to submitting replays on GT6, you no longer have the ability to export the files.
    • If you have an error, don't panic. Just review the instructions for submission and submit again. If you are having trouble and cannot figure it out, please post your question in the race thread.
    • Users can ask the bot for the current submitted time by sending a message with the Subject: "GTP_WRS Week XX Get Entry" and any text in the body.
    • Users can delete their submitted time by sending a message with the Subject: "GTP_WRS Week XX Remove Entry" and any text in the body.
    • If you want to submit multiple times in the week just reply to the conversation with your new time. Fetchy always uses the last submitted time as the final one.
    • The deadline is Monday, April 29th 2019 11:59pm GMT
    • If you are unsure of the deadline try this site.
    Why Use GMT?:
    GMT is World Time and the basis of every world time zone which sets the time of day and is at the centre of the time zone map. GMT sets current time or official time around the globe. Most time changes are measured by GMT. Although GMT has been replaced by atomic time (UTC) it is still widely regarded as the correct time for every international time zone.

    Replay Checking:
    • Division winners and overperformers will be required to submit a replay via the GT Sport Share function for verification AFTER Unofficial Results have been posted.
    • Participants will be expected to check each others' replays for cleanliness, for replays marked in the Results thread as (Replay Verify Required).
    • Video/Youtube/Twitch replays are not accepted as a form of verification.

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    Good luck,
    :gtplanet: & The WRS team.
     
  2. Mr P

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    Done my daily mileage on this.. first laps I hated it.. but now I love it!! :dopey::tup:

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    Time left everywhere :)
     
  3. JamCar0ne

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    First attempt and the car drives like a whale...:lol: The rear bumper just magically finds a wall to graze against, red lapping your time :irked: Tokyo is a great track because the witches don't leave their hats lying around the circuit.

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  4. routergod24

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  6. JamCar0ne

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  7. geeTeye

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    There's something oddly satisfying about this combo:
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  8. racer_xis

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    Fun and stress together :banghead::D
    Ruined some better times in the wall

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  9. routergod24

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  10. roamer2629

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    Welcome! Any questions just ask :tup:
     
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  12. routergod24

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    I didn’t do a lot of testing on this it but it turned out really good
     
  13. MaRcvdl1

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    First attempt of the week. I haven't driven with this car a lot, but it feels very fast on this circuit.
     
  14. oldguy58

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    Das boat! :lol:
     
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  15. turnupdaheat

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    Eventually, after many red laps

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  16. roamer2629

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    Regarding red laps, while not mandatory, settings wall collision detection to strict is usually the way to go with city tracks.
     
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  17. mistersafeway

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    Thanks for the reminder. :)
     
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  18. BGCaligula

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  19. MaRcvdl1

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  20. shoenboggie

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    BB 0 for now, tried -2 for awhile and didn’t like the effects when I released the brake. Like the car, really moves around and has a good feel for what the tires are doing.

    30 laps or so with maybe 1out of 3 clean.

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  21. suprajef

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    I tried it real quick for fun and it felt like a game called "catch the tail"!
     
  22. turnupdaheat

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    I only had the one go so far with a lengthy session on Tuesday but I didn't feel the need to change the BB from 0. An area I tend to struggle with using the DS4 is brake modulation for trail braking etc. but with this car it's simple straight line braking that works best for me. The car does rotate quite naturally and predictably but it can get very messy if you try to be the king of the late brakers so I found there's time to be gained by braking a bit earlier and letting the car roll itself in before getting on the throttle to power out smoothly.
     
  23. roamer2629

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    I've been transitioning from the DS4 to the G29 and I remember telling people about how much less feedback you get on the controller. Trail braking is probably the worse of those cases. While you can still do it, it's almost impossible to get it right because the DS4 simply can't give you any idea of what the front wheels are doing while you approach entry point. On the other hand, no force feedback also means that the wheel won't stop you from full locking steering while stomping on the brakes, which is why controller lines seem crazy for wheel users sometimes.
    With the Bimmer I guess your biggest advantage is controlling the throttle on slides with the flick of a thumb, allowing you to get earlier on the gas when untidy compared to the wheel. I gave this a try on the DS4 and I could be a lot wilder than on the wheel, but was faster and tidier when having a decent lap on the G29.
     
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  24. roamer2629

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    New splits
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  25. turnupdaheat

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    Big improvement with PB final 2 sectors.

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  26. geeTeye

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    Spent a bit of time this morning with good results:
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    To be honest, this is a struggle for me to keep up with everyone else.

    :banghead::cheers:
     
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  27. turnupdaheat

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    In fairness, that is 2 seconds quicker than your previous splits so, irrespective of where you are compared to others on the board, that is a terrific gain and personal driving improvement is what WRS is all about :tup:

    If I can give a bit of general advice with this one it is to try not to drive too cautiously because wall avoidance is the foremost thing on your mind. You still want to attack the course but a consequence of this is that you will, more often than not, hit that wall. Embrace that fact, try not to get frustrated by it and gradually you will learn how far you can push. I'm sure I ran more than 30 red laps last night before things started to click and I was surprised how much time I unearthed.
     
  28. turnupdaheat

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    Pardon the double post but here's a video of sector 1 showing it's possible to break into the 20's from a lap 1 standing start. So just the one braking area on the approach to the first right hander, power out hard and once you get the line right it's flat from there all the way up to the next right hander in sector 2.

     
  29. oldguy58

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    Tiny bit more :dopey:

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    The only way I can keep this thing under me is BB 4. Have to be very smooth on release of brake and adding throttle at the same time. Can't just jump off of the brakes and stomp the gas. :D
     
  30. turnupdaheat

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    Ah yeah, smoothness is key. I don't believe jumping off the brakes and stomping on the gas will work for anyone, particularly in the latter half of the lap going through those S bends. It mightn't be as obvious in turn 1 because it happens pretty quickly but after I release the brakes I leave it roll for a fraction to let it rotate, then it's partial throttle for another fraction before finally stomping away on the gas at exit. All these steps are probably more pronounced from then on throughout the lap.