gtplanet drift rank?

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Anyone on here who thinks that someone is the best by they're drift score alone is an idiot.
The points system is too way flawed to judge a person properly.
I'd love to see StepMania or Billos247 in xat soo us real drifters could show them how its done
 
renzo42
Rankings should only be taken from OFFICIAL sources, not a half ass competition between 5 or 6 people,thats just crap....Whats needed here is some leadership from someone that has PROVEN drift skills, is well organised, is not bias and has good communication. In my opinion Billos247 is the top candidate, with the biggest scores, best technique and has the ability to improve on his scores in very little time. Anyone who says otherwise needs to put their egos aside and recognise that he is OFFICIALLY the best here, i mean come on, who else on here has ever beaten a score set by stepmania!!??... for all those KIDS who think there the best drifter by using s1-s2 tyres just because there "faster" need to grow up and realise that drifting isnt all about speed it is about CONTROL hence the reason more points are awarded using n1-n2 tyres
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Really to be honest, the point system is kinda off in the game, people like stepmania have already found the loopholes in how to make giant scores, same thing goes with the time attack lap times. Polyphony already saw that there were unreal drift scores and lap times that's why they had to get rid of some people's rankings.
 
LOL

This guy really believes in the point scoring system.


Dude, put it this way as i see it in real life.

You, can do allllll of your homework, and try you best, and get straight - A's for school.. but you can be the most unlogical and stupid person in the whole entire world.

On the other hand, You can be the most procrastinating person and not turn in your homework, and get low grades, but then you can be the most logical person in the whole world.


You see, point scoring systems DON'T do much at all.


I live in a middle class family, maybe lower, I get low grades, but when it comes to real life driving, i EXCEL at it.
Then comes to my cousin, he lives a step higher than me, is in Honors classes, but when it comes to real life driving.. HE SUCKS AT IT.

And then comes the people that are actually super smart and super logical, they are rocking at life.


But i gotta say... when you have a cousin that is in Honors classes and he can't even make a fold up table stand up, you REALIZE grades are nothing






So, basically, points system = fail
 
articzap
You are officially the dumbest person on this site if you think drifting is about going slow. Holy ****. I can't even comprehend in words how stupid you are. Go tell the Formula D and D1GP guys they should go slower. Those guys whip it mad hard. Oh and for the record, the tires they use for drifting are almost if not in fact r compound tires. They don't drift on worn down pieces of **** like what N1 and N2 would be. Come challenge me online. I'm one of the worst guys on XAT and I'm still sure I could hand you your ass.
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True. They hella use R-compound's.
 
Rankings should only be taken from OFFICIAL sources, not a half ass competition between 5 or 6 people,thats just crap
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nah you just saying that because you cant hang beacuse if you mess up guess wat..
theres no restart button
 
Kord, good point.

Also... I dont think that guy has even seen Japanese touge vids... are those OFFICAL sources?!
 
yeah typical response from the formula-d fan boys....you guys must be forgeting that this is a japanese made game which caters for the japanese way of drifting (the true way to drift), no angle no show... learn how to set your cars up properly and you might have fun doing the drift trials.Yes there are flaws in the system but those flaws dont apply if your not trying to cheat..... all you guys have done is turned drifting on GTP into a sideways drag race which is sad......maybe its an american thing....



DubVipers
Kord, good point.

Also... I dont think that guy has even seen Japanese touge vids... are those OFFICAL sources?!
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when was the last time you seen racing compound tyres on a touge? I can answer that one for you, NEVER, you go a try put racing compound tyres on a 300-350 bhp car and see where you end up, you wouldnt even break traction.........

damn guys, your talking like typical keyboard drifters that talk the hard talk but when it comes to drifting in reality you dont know a thing apart from what you watch on videos and what not but How many of you guys can say that they have competed in an actual drifting series not just an empty parking lot doing donuts and second gear burnouts? once you guys have experienced real drifting maybe your attitudes will change. maybe....
 
So you think togue drifters roll on worn out tires such as N1 and N2? No they don't. They'd be on N3/S1 promoting the use of new tires.

You don't think a 350 hp car can't break R compounds lose? Do you even have any back round with real cars or are you just some 14 year old posting what you've seen on youtube.

There are also two types of drifting, show and speed. First you stated, you need to use N1's and go slow. Now you say you should have no angle no show but keep the speed up for racing style. You just seem to change your mind to try and prove you're earlier statements which is now making you look like an ass.

I think you need to learn what you're talking about.

PS-I challenge you to show drifting, and to speed drifting. I'll throw down bigger angles, more smoke and faster lap times.
 
So... you're saying a lightweight FR with 300-350hp won't break loose R-compounds? you also need to know... 300-350hp is just a set of numbers.... Torque is where it all comes in.

Then of course, most of the touge drifter's can't afford R-compounds every weekend, they'll use something close, such as Sport tires. For example, Falken Azeni's.... Advan Neova's.... we're talking about track tires. that's just some of the guys that do touge drifting. Then it comes the regular guys. No.... they don't choose N1 level street tires... I wouldn't trust my life at low end tires.





D1GP drifters can get a hand on the r-compounds pretty well
 
articzap
So you think togue drifters roll on worn out tires such as N1 and N2? No they don't. They'd be on N3/S1 promoting the use of new tires.

You don't think a 350 hp car can't break R compounds lose? Do you even have any back round with real cars or are you just some 14 year old posting what you've seen on youtube.

There are also two types of drifting, show and speed. First you stated, you need to use N1's and go slow. Now you say you should have no angle no show but keep the speed up for racing style. You just seem to change your mind to try and prove you're earlier statements which is now making you look like an ass.

I think you need to learn what you're talking about.

PS-I challenge you to show drifting, and to speed drifting. I'll throw down bigger angles, more smoke and faster lap times.
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read the post properly boy, i ment if you have no angle then your a know show. You sound like a complete moron you obviously dont know how drifting works the real world, n1 -n3 tyres are normal radial tyres in reality and are used in d1gp. slick compound tyres are banned in any d1gp event including semi slicks. formla-d might allow slick compound tyres but d1gp Doesnt. and boy, dont question my drifting ability, you might think your hot **** on this game but you wouldnt stand a chance against me on a real track that i can guarantee. i bet you have never drifted on a real track before huh? thats why your so ignorant and seem to think radial tyres dont have enough grip. difference between me and you is that i have real track experience and know how radial tyres actualy feel and you know nothing apart from what you know from a game 👎
 
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DubVipers
So... you're saying a lightweight FR with 300-350hp won't break loose R-compounds? you also need to know... 300-350hp is just a set of numbers.... Torque is where it all comes in.

Then of course, most of the touge drifter's can't afford R-compounds every weekend, they'll use something close, such as Sport tires. For example, Falken Azeni's.... Advan Neova's.... we're talking about track tires. that's just some of the guys that do touge drifting. Then it comes the regular guys. No.... they don't choose N1 level street tires... I wouldn't trust my life at low end tires.





D1GP drifters can get a hand on the r-compounds pretty well
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falken Azenis and Advan neovas?? they would be classed as an n3 tyre because they are still radials. semi slick tyres are s1-s3 And you will never see them on a d1gp car
 
renzo42
read the post properly boy, i ment if you have no angle then your a know show. You sound like a complete moron you obviously dont know how drifting works the real world, n1 -n3 tyres are normal radial tyres in reality and are used in d1gp. slick compound tyres are banned in any d1gp event including semi slicks. formla-d might allow slick compound tyres but d1gp Doesnt. and boy, dont question my drifting ability, you might think your hot **** on this game but you wouldnt stand a chance against me on a real track that i can guarantee. i bet you have never drifted on a real track before huh? thats why your so ignorant and seem to think radial tyres dont have enough grip. difference between me and you is that i have real track experience and know how radial tyres actualy feel and you know nothing apart from what you know from a game 👎
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You have no idea punk. I use to drift my S13 all the time when I had it. You already prove you failed in this thread more then once.

If you don't want to accept my challenge, then I suggest you leave. All you're doing is ruining this site.
 
renzo42
yeah typical response from the formula-d fan boys....you guys must be forgeting that this is a japanese made game which caters for the japanese way of drifting (the true way to drift), no angle no show... learn how to set your cars up properly and you might have fun doing the drift trials.Yes there are flaws in the system but those flaws dont apply if your not trying to cheat..... all you guys have done is turned drifting on GTP into a sideways drag race which is sad......maybe its an american thing....
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renzo42
read the post properly boy, i ment if you have no angle then your a know show. You sound like a complete moron you obviously dont know how drifting works the real world, n1 -n3 tyres are normal radial tyres in reality and are used in d1gp. slick compound tyres are banned in any d1gp event including semi slicks. formla-d might allow slick compound tyres but d1gp Doesnt. and boy, dont question my drifting ability, you might think your hot **** on this game but you wouldnt stand a chance against me on a real track that i can guarantee. i bet you have never drifted on a real track before huh? thats why your so ignorant and seem to think radial tyres dont have enough grip. difference between me and you is that i have real track experience and know how radial tyres actualy feel and you know nothing apart from what you know from a game 👎
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According to what I see, you fail. No show, no angle & no show, know angle makes no sense, & I believe it's the other way around. If you have no angle, you have no drift or show. I don't know much about tires & if you don't want nobody questioning you prove it in the game.. And how can he prove it if you live in NZ & the person questioning you in the other side of the world? :sly: I'm just saying. Look, point is, the drift ranks are terrible at scoring. You have to use VERY poor grip tires & drift slow while on the line to score. Some even mix tires up to get more angle. Like I said in my previous post, you can get more angle drifting on N3 tires & I do prefer drifting free run than doing drift trials on stock cars. More freedom, & more skills.
 
renzo42
yeah thats what they all say boy, what happened to it? let me guess , you put it into a wall or a power pole? haha yeah that'd be right....Its no good saying you "use to" drift because that just tells me you failed and gave it up for a ps3 game....
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Nah, I sold it and bought a G35 sedan. I'm growing up in life. I like the use of the word boy. It makes you sound like you're trying to be a hard ass but only half assing it.
 
argh dammit i hate arguement guys!!......looks like my vision of a united GTP drift team is a fail...to many conflicting styles and theories. I hope GTP drifting forum can find some solid leadership before the release of gt5, until then ill just sit on the sidelines..........sorry for any brash comments that were posted towards others, they were made out of fustration and lack of constraint.......hope things in the drift forums liven up soon
 
It will renzo, just take it easy, & make sure it don't happen again, to anyone I mean.. And maybe you'll get a chance to create some large drifting community for GT5.
 
legendary thread....Drift trial is flawed...end of story...The way we used to judge is the true way to judge drifting...most of the older drifters of the gt series are probably busy with more important things like....life....The reason why there is not much activity here is because gt5p is just gt5p and not gt5....Just wait for gt5 then you might see more action in the forums...btw we can see when you edit a post...makes me wonder what you changed...words can be twisted with a simple edit. Thank you for your passion.
 
Suzuki
LOL Indeed it is going to be. Its going to be GT4 all over again if you know what i mean.
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True, has anyone in this thread looked out epic GT3 Competitions were compared to GT4 though I did lose most of my battles. I didn't even care, I wanted a challenge and that's what I got. But this is how we did the GTPDC
Thio
RULES AND DIRECTIONS

-RULES- *Statements mentioned below apply to the GTPDC and the GTP Challenges*
  • Entries must include these items in the replay: Speedometer, Lap Time and Steering Wheel. Entries that do not include these items will be disqualified from the competition/challenge.
  • The entry must NOT contain the name of the competitor. If the entry does include the name of the competitor, then the entry is disqualified.
  • An unedited replay of either a full lap or a particular set of corners which the competition/challenge is to take place must be submitted.
  • The competitor must make sure that they will have enough time to obtain an unedited replay to turn in as their entry before the due date. If the due date has passed and the competitor has not turned in their entry, then they are disqualified from the competition/challenge.
  • It is suggested that the entries must be kept around a file size of 10 to 15 megabytes to keep the file easily downloadable for the judges and for those who have a narrowband internet connection.
-[GTPDC]-

->Directions<-
  1. Upon entering a GTPDC, the competitor must provide what car they will be using and what division they will compete in to the Coordinator of the WEEK. They must concur to the requirements mentioned in each division before entering.
  2. Once the competitor has submitted their entry to the Coordinator, they must make a video file of their replay on their computer. For more information, please go to this thread (How to make videos) or use the search function.
  3. When the competitor has finished working on their best entry, they must contact ******* either on AIM or through Private Messages to see how they can upload their entry onto his server.
  4. Once ******* has confirmed that the entry is fine, wait until the Coordinator says that they have sent the PMs to the judges and wait for a week. By the beginning of the following week, the scores shall be posted.
-[GTP Challenges]-

->Directions<-
  1. Upon making a GTP Challenge, a competitor must challenge another competitor in order to qualify a challenge, or a team challenging a team.
  2. The competitors/teams must discuss what course, horsepower limits, tire limits, a due date and/or certain corners where the battle will take place.
  3. After making an agreement upon the minimum circumstances (among others that can be made between the challengers), each challenger, or team captain of each team, must contact one of the head judges to confer on making an official thread.
  4. Once a thread has been made with the challengers' names in the title: "GTP Challenge: (Team A) vs. (Team B)", the challenge has officially begun.
  5. When the challenger has finished working on their best entry, they must contact ******* either on AIM or through the Private Message System to see how they can upload their entry onto his server.
  6. Once ******* has confirmed that the entry is fine, wait until the Coordinator says that they have sent the PMs to the judges and wait for a week. By the beginning of the following week, the scores shall be posted.

  • The head judge that the challengers have contacted will be the Coordinator of the Challenge.

In any moment, any of the statments above may change, depending on the situation. This post will be updated as soon as it possibly can. Some new points may be added, which will be in bold and at the end of the statement, have a date upon when it was added.

If the directions are not comprehendable, do not make sense, or cannot find what you were looking for, please contact Thio either through a Private Message or on AIM at dn12tennis.
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Thio
SCORING

-Exhibition Drift Scoring Procedure-

Points will be awarded out of the maximum amount listed below:
  1. Smoke (5 points)
  2. Style (10 points)
  3. Angle (10 points)
  4. Control (10 points)
Explained...
  1. Smoke makes the drift more exciting. The more the better.
  2. Style consists of how a person controls their car differently from the average drifter (how they drift the course). Points are awarded for uniqueness... etc...
  3. Angle... the more the better. Because the above is completely left to personal judgment no point scale will be developed, but judges are expected to judge in an unbiased fashion.
  4. Control consists of how smooth the car is being handled while drifting, Points are taken off for wall hitting/sliding, lots of stuttered counter-steer, poor line taking, etc...
The challengers must decide where the judges are expected to judge drifting. This must be stated in the first or second post of each challenge so judges can do there job fairly and efficiently. Specify one of the following:
  1. Just in corners
  2. Linking some corners without drifting in straights
  3. Drifting the entire lap
If nothing is specified, individual judges may count drifting in straights and linking corners as either positive or zero points in style and control categories, but not in smoke or angle.

-Racing Drift Scoring Procedure-

Points will be awarded out of the maximum amount listed below:
  1. Style (5 points)
  2. Time (10 points)
  3. Speed (10 points)
  4. Control (10 points)
If more than two wheels leave the track the challenger must enter another video.

Explained...
  1. Style consists of how a person controls their car differently from the average drifter (how they drift race the course). It also includes a score for smoke (the more smoke is not better), unnecessary smoke as well as not enough smoke will count toward point deductions, but in general smoke from four wheels rather than two and moderate levels of smoke will be what the judges are looking for&#8230;
  2. Time will be scored on how fast the drifter is going. The faster competitor will receive a score of 10, while the slower one will receive a deduction of 1 point for every second lost to the opponent. For fractions of a second this proportion will be used in determining points.
  3. Speed: I have done the scoring in this way because exit and average speed take more skill than entrance speed.
    • Average exit speed in all sectors with corners will be 40% of the score for speed
    • Average average speed in all sectors with corners will be given 40% of the score for speed.
    • Average entrance speed in all sectors will be given 20% of the score for speed. In each of the above areas, the person with the higher average speed will receive a score of ten and for every MPH the slower individual will receive a deduction of .2 points in exit and average speed and .1 points in entrance speed.
  4. Control will include line taking and slip angle, and will be judged by individual judges due to its nature. 40% of the score will be devoted to line taking, which involves proper apexing and the choice of a well chosen line (one that utilizes the road to the driver&#8217;s greatest advantage). 40% will be devoted to slip angle. Here the greater the angle does not necessarily grant a high score. Rather, the way that the slip angle is used will be of more importance, and things like clean exits and fast but controlled entries will be rewarded. 20% of the score will be reserved for deductions resulting from things like hitting walls and stuttered counter-steer (if these do not occur then they receive the full 20%).
*Speed and time will be determined by a submission of the following from the analyzer: speed, average speed, sector times, and lap time. Only the head judge will score this portion.*

In any moment, any of the statments above may change, depending on the situation. This post will be updated as soon as it possibly can. Some new points may be added, which will be in bold and at the end of the statement, have a date upon when it was added.

If the explanations are not comprehendable, do not make sense, or cannot find what you were looking for, please contact Thio either through a Private Message or on AIM at dn12tennis.

-Thio

(The original Scoring was made by bengee)
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The Drift Trials, IMO. were horrible and that was the first time I played it and I went to play Forza 2 after that. We can unite drift teams only if we have good sense of judging first on how to rank those teams. Though I am wondering if I am going to be corrected on something.
 
Suzuki
You are right, and if you did some research you would see who the judges were and what that competition pretty much turned into.
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Thio
JUDGING

-[Becoming a Judge]-

->Requirements<-
  1. Must be recommended by GTP community members.
->Responsibilities<-
  1. Turn in scores a week after entries have been sent to judges.
  2. Evaluating entries with an unbiased vision and give an adequate score upon what s/he think is the best score for that entry.
  3. Being a positive influence in the GTP community.
->Rules<-
  • Judges cannot compete in the events. Exception: they can make an entry for the competition, but it will not be scored.
  • Judges have the responsibility to evaluate entries based on what they think is the best score for the entry. If there is any sign of a biased judge toward one entry, they will be dismissed from duty.
  • Judges must be available for judging a competition or challenge. If a judge is not available, then they must provide a reason why. Unless excused, they must be available at all times.
  • Judges will have the responsibility of participating at least in 4 events, either in a GTPDC or a GTP Challenge over a two month period.If it is not met, then they are dismissed until the next round for a new panel of judges.
  • Once judges are obliged to an event, either a GTPDC or a GTP Challenge, they are bound to fulfill their duty unless there has been a terrible situation happening with the judge. If so, the Coordinator of the event must be contacted immediately and must be excused from the Coordinator.

-[Becoming a Head Judge]-

->Requirements<-
  1. Must be recommended by GTP community members.
  2. Must be an established GTP memberfor more than half a year.
  3. Must have a drift video or display an adequate knowledge of drifting.
  4. Must be able to communicate with other judges and handle events.
->Responsibilities<-
  1. Handle events.
  2. Keep event(s) in check, making sure everything is on time (scores, entries, due dates, etc.)
  3. Evaluating entries with an unbiased vision and give an adequate score upon what s/he think is the best score for that entry.
  4. Being a positive influence in the GTP community.
->Rules<-
  • Head judges cannot compete in the events. Exception: they can make an entry for the competition, but it will not be scored.
  • Head judges should be able to help each other out if the one in charge is in need of help.
  • Head judges have the responsibility to evaluate entries based on what they think is the best score for the entry. If there is any sign of a biased head judge toward one entry, they will be dismissed from duty.
  • Once head judges are obliged to an event, they are bound to fulfill their duty unless there has been an unexpected situation on the judge. If this is the case, then contact one of the other head judges to handle the event. Pass on the necessary information (scores, entries, etc.) to make sure that the transfer of power is smooth.
*GTPDC*
  • The Coordinator (1 head judge) must manage the GTPDC while the others assist.
  • The Coordinator must send the entries to the panel of judges on the GTPDC.
  • The Coordinator must compile the scores and post the results along with the entries.
*GTP Challenges*
  • The head judge that has been contacted about the challenge will be the Coordinator. They will manage the challenge and make sure that everything is going as specified.
  • The Coordinator must manage the GTP Challenge while the others assist.
  • The Coordinator for the challenge must send the entries to the panel of judges on the GTP Challenge.
  • The Coordinator must compile the scores and post the results along with the entries.

If you want to know how the entries will be scored, please look further down the thread.
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There are four positions for Head Judge and ten positions for the panel of judges. Here is the most current update (August 2004):

Head Judges
  1. bengee
  2. BreakerOhio
  3. silviadrifter - DR tha supamod
  4. Thio
Panel of Judges
  1. battle_stage
  2. bustwave.
  3. Der Alta- DA!
  4. ForcedInduction
  5. nightkids4ever - ME!
  6. Ottoman
  7. Ryen49
  8. Sheron
  9. vinkento
  10. ---------------
There will be a thread every nine weeks for a new Panel of Judges and new Head Judges. This is to help keep the Panel of Judges fresh.

I hope to see many new judges in the future!

Drift on...

-Thio

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