GTP's Hot Version Touge Showdown

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TakumiFuji01
I think in my opinion, it should just be power restriction because Hot Version didn't do displacement, one-make car, car class restrictions until around 2009(They had 2000cc class, N.A Class, Rotary Class, Compact Class and etc). I prefer the old school power restriction.
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Didn't they have a displacement restriction though, for the T200-300 classes? I feel like we've had this discussion before already lol.
 
SolidSnake7735
Didn't they have a displacement restriction though, for the T200-300 classes? I feel like we've had this discussion before already lol.
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I'm probably just haven't been cheered up enough with the new choices Hot Version made with the Touge segments so I tend to watch the old school segments.

Ahh..now I just watched 200 Round 2 and it seems there is engine displacement restrictions. 200 has 2.0L as limit while 300 has 2.0L+ but it isn't specified enough. Hmmm, we'll leave this one for now.
 
SolidSnake7735
YI have nothing against the R35 and those that drive them, and having the money I would actually buy myself one IRL, but it's like an "Easy Button" of sorts here in GT5.
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But that's like driving an R1, NSX, or even an FD in GT5. They're so brilliant to drive anyway, any monkey behind the wheel can do good.
 
robrabbitman
But that's like driving an R1, NSX, or even an FD in GT5. They're so brilliant to drive anyway, any monkey behind the wheel can do good.
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Which is why I prefer to tune and drive cars like my Dragon and the "Wicked Child" from season 1s T200 class. They're not the usual suspects at all...in fact they tend to be completely off most people's radar of cars to have in the garage let alone cars to be driven.:crazy::D
 
Okay, maybe T300 displacement limit shouldn't be at 3.0L because there was 2 tuners in HV(during Using Power restriction) who entered the Z33 which are 3.5L.
 
robrabbitman
But that's like driving an R1, NSX, or even an FD in GT5. They're so brilliant to drive anyway, any monkey behind the wheel can do good.
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That applies much more to the R35. The NSX almost, because being an MR means it requires more skill to keep it from killing you. As for the FD, and the NSX for that matter, anyone can be fast with them but the R35 almost does all the work for you.
 
SolidSnake7735
That applies much more to the R35. The NSX almost, because being an MR means it requires more skill to keep it from killing you. As for the FD, and the NSX for that matter, anyone can be fast with them but the R35 almost does all the work for you.
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It's still comparatively slower than a lot of cars at an equal PP. You can't get an exciting, engaging, and easy drive and be the fastest at the same time without some kind of compromise. It's more often than not one or the other. Saying one car requires less skill than another is a completely false statement. There's still some skill involved to be fast or otherwise everyone would be using one online, no?
 
robrabbitman
It's still comparatively slower than a lot of cars at an equal PP. You can't get an exciting, engaging, and easy drive and be the fastest at the same time without some kind of compromise. It's more often than not one or the other. Saying one car requires less skill than another is a completely false statement. There's still some skill involved to be fast or otherwise everyone would be using one online, no?
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Case in point.

Hmm... I wonder...
What is the most common car choice for "tryhards" online? When they feel they most absolutely win a race. From my experience I can tell you this:

450PP - Elise, DC2, DC5, 86 GT
500PP - Elise, M3 CSL, NSX
550PP - GTR35, 458 Italia, Audi R8
600PP - GTR35, 458 Italia, Audi R8, Ford GT
650PP - GTR35, Ford GT

I left out the LF A because even though it's a very capable car, I don't sew many people running it online, oddly enough. But it's common mostly in 550PP races.

Hmm...does anyone see a pattern? Just in case I missed it. And please, correct me if I'm wrong.

And yes, being fast is a skill in and of itself. But you know as well as I do, and probably everyone else in this thread, that some cars are just easier to be fast in.

That being said, I commend uga for entering in a Yellow Bird. That's courageous. Not saying that I take anything away from those that chose an R35. I'm actually surprised I didn't see a single Ford GT, Corvette, LFA or 458 in this episode.
 
SolidSnake7735
Case in point.
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Again, I don't see how that proves that it does the work for you. It's a fast car no doubt, but that's like saying an MP4-12C is boring and easy to drive fast because it's got traction control systems from the future. All of the cars you mentioned aren't exactly the easiest cars to drive, either. Why don't you go ahead and tune an R35 that's faster and better to driver than both of the R35s in this competition? They're "less fun because of how simple/easy they are to drive," so it should be no problem for "Doctor Touge," correct? Every car takes skill to drive fast, whether or not it's an easy or challenging drive depends on the tune.
 
robrabbitman
Again, I don't see how that proves that it does the work for you. It's a fast car no doubt, but that's like saying an MP4-12C is boring and easy to drive fast because it's got traction control systems from the future. All of the cars you mentioned aren't exactly the easiest cars to drive, either. Why don't you go ahead and tune an R35 that's faster and better to driver than both of the R35s in this competition? They're "less fun because of how simple/easy they are to drive," so it should be no problem for "Doctor Touge," correct? Every car takes skill to drive fast, whether or not it's an easy or challenging drive depends on the tune.
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I'm staying well out of this argument :indiff: I only entered a R35 as it was the only tune at the time i felt that was more than ready to be entered into a shootout 👍
 
Slender_Man
I'm staying well out of this argument :indiff: I only entered a R35 as it was the only tune at the time i felt that was more than ready to be entered into a shootout 👍
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Agreed, I only entered it because it was a fun car and it was going to be my S Class choice.
Snake, you don't really have room to be talking about using easy cars anyway, considering you've used an FD, R34, S2000, RGT, 135i, 86 GT, M3, and an LFA in LotS, which are all pretty tryhard and easy to drive cars.
 
robrabbitman
Again, I don't see how that proves that it does the work for you. It's a fast car no doubt, but that's like saying an MP4-12C is boring and easy to drive fast because it's got traction control systems from the future. All of the cars you mentioned aren't exactly the easiest cars to drive, either. Why don't you go ahead and tune an R35 that's faster and better to driver than both of the R35s in this competition? They're "less fun because of how simple/easy they are to drive," so it should be no problem for "Doctor Touge," correct? Every car takes skill to drive fast, whether or not it's an easy or challenging drive depends on the tune.
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Hmm…I don't think he's discrediting your tune's speed, but more saying that tuning the RX7 to plan 550hp down competitively was more difficult than putting 600hp down in a R35 which has that ridiculous torque vectoring super 4WD amazing grip CPU thing.

And I think the DC2/5 and Elise are relatively easy to drive…as well as the NSX, if you use SS and above for tyres.

Edit: Just as a side note, I do think that the R35's 4WD system has been toned down a bit, it's not as "OP" (not "original poster" in this case) as it used to be.
 
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Onboy123
Hmm…I don't think he's discrediting your tune's speed, but more saying that tuning the RX7 to plan 550hp down competitively was more difficult than putting 600hp down in a R35 which has that ridiculous torque vectoring super 4WD amazing grip CPU thing.
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Whatever floats his boat. I'm not going to argue mindlessly about cars being overpowered and people whining because others are using them. Different strokes for different folks, I just used a car I love and so did he. Let's leave it at that.
 
robrabbitman
Agreed, I only entered it because it was a fun car and it was going to be my S Class choice.
Snake, you don't really have room to be talking about using easy cars anyway, considering you've used an FD, R34, S2000, RGT, 135i, 86 GT, M3, and an LFA in LotS, which are all pretty tryhard and easy to drive cars.
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Firstly. I use LotS as a proving ground for my tunes, I could care less about winning. Check for yourself the Battle Logs.

How many races have I done in the LF A this season? No more than 5.
FD was in season 1 over a year ago when I was still learning.
R34 isn't even competitive in Class A. Only two other occasions besides myself has that car been ran in LotS.
The RGT was a last minute choice for the first S Class, and it was a track tune. I just didn't want to run another 4WD monster like an R35 or R8.
The 135i was a failed tuning excursion, didn't think it would be competitive. Check for yourself how many battles I took place with it. It's not even featured in mine and Shadow's tuning thread.
My M3 was the overweight '07 model who's only win came against a Golf R V at my home course by a hair against Slick-94. There's a youtube video of this battle.
I don't think I've ever officially ran an 86 GT, if so, refresh my memory as to when it was.
My S2K is my baby though. I admit it's overpowered around 450PP but at 500 it fails to keep pace with the NSX's and M3 CSL's that it ran against. It still remains one of my favorite touge cars.

So how about my other LotS entries? My Z33, Z34, FC3S, Evo VI, S15, and others. I've said this time and again, LotS has always been my proving ground for my tunes.

As for the MP4-12C, it's pretty hard to drive without any aids. Harder than a 458 or LFA, in my opinion.

And I only haven't tuned my own R35 because I'm not really interested in that car, there had been no demand for it, I've even been told NOT to tune one by Onboy himself among few others.
 
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SolidSnake7735
Firstly. I use LotS as a proving ground for my tunes, I could care less about winning. Check for yourself the Battle Logs.

How many races have I done in the LF A this season? No more than 5.
FD was in season 1 over a year ago when I was still learning.
R34 isn't even competitive in Class A. Only two other occasions besides myself has that car been ran in LotS.
The RGT was a last minute choice for the first S Class, and it was a track tune. I just didn't want to run another 4WD monster like an R35 or R8.
The 135i was a failed tuning excursion, didn't think it would be competitive. Check for yourself how many battles I took place with it. It's not even featured in mine and Shadow's tuning thread.
My M3 was the overweight '07 model who's only win came against a Golf R V at my home course by a hair against Slick-94. There's a youtube video of this battle.
I don't think I've ever officially ran an 86 GT, if so, refresh my memory as to when it was.
My S2K is my baby though. I admit it's overpowered around 450PP but at 500 it fails to keep pace with the NSX's and M3 CSL's that it ran against. It still remains one of my favorite touge cars.

So how about my other LotS entries? My Z33, Z34, FC3S, Evo VI, S15, and others. I've said this time and again, LotS has always been my proving ground for my tunes.

As for the MP4-12C, it's poetry hard to dive without any aids. Harder than a 458 or LFA, in my opinion.

And I only haven't tuned my own R35 because I'm not really interested in that car, there had been no demand for it, I've even been told NOT to tune one by Onboy himself among few others.
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Okay but snake a evo IV and s15 are still easy to drive cars and the Z34 in my opinion too
 
KRONIC
Okay but snake a evo IV and s15 are still easy to drive cars and the Z34 in my opinion too
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Say what you will but anyone can tell you AYC is a lot more complex to use effectively than an LSD. The S15 is relatively easy to drive, but not easy to be fast and competitive with. Hence why I STILL haven't released that tune.

As for the Z34, it wasn't so easy for me back in LotS' preseason, when I ran it for a week, I think.
 
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SolidSnake7735
And I only haven't tuned my own R35 because I'm not really interested in that car, there had been no demand for it, I've even been told NOT to tune one by Onboy himself among few others.
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Can you say that's a surprise? After all, I was the one who threw it off quite a high cliff to liven it up a bit. :lol:

Yea…just trying to liven up the heavy atmosphere here…nothing much to see here, move along.
 
SolidSnake7735
Say what you will but amount can tell you AYC is a not more complex to use effectively than an LSD. The S15 is relatively easy to drive, but not easy to be fast and competitive with. Hence why I STILL haven't released that tune.
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Then why say its a hard car to drive then say its easy like make up your mind bro
 
Onboy123
Can you say that's a surprise? After all, I was the one who threw it off quite a high cliff to liven it up a bit. :lol:

Yea…just trying to liven up the heavy atmosphere here…nothing much to see here, move along.
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Who you calling fat? 1886kg just means the Dragon is full figured...not some anorexic like a certain Impreza...:crazy::lol:
 
KRONIC
Then why say its a hard car to drive then say its easy like make up your mind bro
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Lol I have made up my mind. Read before your react. I said it's an easy car to drive, as in easy to keep in line and keep control of. BUT not easy to be competitive with since it just doesn't corner as fast as the S2K's, FD's and Toyota 86's it would be going up against. Once again, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Please stop arguing what's easy or what's hard, any car is fine I think, they have their own traits. I submitted a slower car for MAX with max weight, I don't mind losing in sector time, what I look for is test driver feedback of my tune, that alone gave me satisfaction.

For the next season, I will enter a line up of unique cars, all of them NA engine and FR :D
 
Ridox2JZGTE
Please stop arguing what's easy or what's hard, any car is fine I think, they have their own traits. I submitted a slower car for MAX with max weight, I don't mind losing in sector time, what I look for is test driver feedback of my tune, that alone gave me satisfaction.

For the next season, I will enter a line up of unique cars, all of them NA engine and FR :D
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Arguing? Who's arguing? I thought we were having a heated discussion. Nobody is calling anyone names or throwing insults here and there. We're simply sharing opinions.
 
Sorry, I thought having a debate, discussion or argument are the same :( Please continue sharing then :D Just asking here, what if someone enters Caterham Seven Fireblade into 200 class ? Is that car okay for this event ? Not saying I will, I have another car ready :)
 
Ridox2JZGTE
Sorry, I thought having a debate, discussion or argument are the same :( Please continue sharing then :D Just asking here, what if someone enters Caterham Seven Fireblade into 200 class ? Is that car okay for this event ? Not saying I will, I have another car ready :)
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Well I believe Mat mentioned early on in this thread that the Caterhams, Elises, Tommy Kairas and other lightweight little monsters will have their own class at some point.
 
SolidSnake7735
Well I believe Mat mentioned early on in this thread that the Caterhams, Elises, Tommy Kairas and other lightweight little monsters will have their own class at some point.
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Yes!... Soon...

Muhahaha...

You guys choose if you wanna run these lightweight monsters on the Touge? Or Tsukuba?

Also, it won't just be limited to lightweight classes, but one-make races, FR/FF/AWD/etc battles, and many more!
 
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Mat123
Yes!... Soon...

Muhahaha...

You guys choose if you wanna run these lightweight monsters on the Touge? Or Tsukuba?

Also, it won't just be limited to lightweight classes, but one-make races, FR/FF/AWD/etc battles, and many more!
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This sounds really appealing.
 
Speaking of the Lotus..

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