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twistedfirework
he has already signed up and done the qualifyer, just needs to select car 👍
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That's good, just that his post indicates he doesn't even know the car list at the moment, indicating "premium" when the only cars in GT500 are premium, in fact.
 
Dom, I remember you posted a little tuning guide a while ago, any chance you have it saved somewhere, don't have a clue what page it is, certainly would useful for a tuning noob like me. If you don't know it's no big deal, wouldn't force anyone to sift through all these pages.. :crazy:

While I'm on that topic... 179th page and the season has only just started :cheers:
 
Could someone expand a little how the ballast system will work.

Will the top-3 in each race get 100kg+ ballast or only the winner.
 
Sail IC
Could someone expand a little how the ballast system will work.

Will the top-3 in each race get 100kg+ ballast or only the winner.
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I think its something similar to this:

1st - 100kg
2nd - 50kg
3rd - 25kg

Imagine if its exactly like that :lol: I should get a bonus or something.
 
Biffy
Dom, I remember you posted a little tuning guide a while ago, any chance you have it saved somewhere, don't have a clue what page it is, certainly would useful for a tuning noob like me. If you don't know it's no big deal, wouldn't force anyone to sift through all these pages.. :crazy:

While I'm on that topic... 179th page and the season has only just started :cheers:
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Sail IC
Could someone expand a little how the ballast system will work.

Will the top-3 in each race get 100kg+ ballast or only the winner.
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Max ballast - 200KG's.

I'd like a volunteer from the admins/co-admins/stewards to help me obtain ballast PP's each week if possible please.
All you have to do is have some cars to their original spec, add ballast, and check the PP amount with the ballast in the middle.
 
ROYALEFATALE
can someone put me down for the Premium (06?) TAKATA NSX?
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added 👍 make sure you read the op again, things have changed since you have done the qualifyer.
be sure to add the psn accounts;

WSGTC-PAL-1
WSGTC-PAL-2
WSGTC-NTSC-1
WSGTC-NTSC-2

all official events will take place in the private lobby's of these accounts
 
CSLACR
Click where it says "Photo Finish Racing" in my sig. ;)
Never too far away.


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Max ballast - 200KG's.

I'd like a volunteer from the admins/co-admins/stewards to help me obtain ballast PP's each week if possible please.
All you have to do is have some cars to their original spec, add ballast, and check the PP amount with the ballast in the middle.
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i can do the gt300 cars. i have them all fully run in. 👍
 
twistedfirework
The announcement has been made in the race specific thread. Just post here which of the available cars you would like in the pal division and it will become official once litchi is back online. If cant find the cars go to qualifying charts and click the driver reminder list, then on the right hand side you will see the available cars 👍
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Thanks twist. Saw the list, too bad Amemiya '04 is full already. I will stick with NTSC for this season. :)
 
CSLACR
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Max ballast - 200KG's.

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* Does that mean the 1st 4 places get those ballast added to their cars?

*If you win a race and get 60kgs of ballast added and you come 3rd in the next race does that mean you will carry 90kgs into race 3?

*If you get ballast added to your car in a race and then finish 5th or lower in next race do you get your ballast removed for the next race?

I didn't see anything about how the ballast system works in the OP. might be a good idea to post that. If its already there then ignore this last paragraph.
 
Denilson
From the OP:

"Success Ballast System"​
TBA​
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This needs to be thought through carefully.

I saw a proposal? of the following by CSL:
- Finishing 1st +60kg
- Finishing 2nd +45kg
- Finishing 3rd +30kg
- Finishing 4th +15kg
- Ballast will be accumulated from each race over the season
- Max total ballast +200kg

It might work different for GT500 an GT300, but in general GT5 gives lighter cars a big advantage. If racing under an open PP system, adding weight to gain HP is almost never a good idea. So 60kg for a win or a total of 200kg is a lot at least for a GT300 which has a very low power-to-grip.

Yesterday I did a very short test (only one try). When adding 200kg to a GT300 I was around 2 sec slower at Fuji (a bit more actually). So perhaps a good rule of thumb is that each 10kg cost 0.1sec in lap time. This is a lot when you consider how fast ballast will be added.

Also consider that pole and fastest lap give 3 points each (6 points in total) and they are "ballast free".

So if above is what we will race under, I think the best race results for the first half of the season will be to finish each race in 5th, get pole, and set fastest laptime. This will give give maximum points without getting ballast and set you up perfect for the second half of the season.

I think think a success handicap system is very good and it will make the racing much more enjoyable. That's why we do this. But its not good when the best race result is not trying to finish as high up as possible in the race.

It be good to discuss this, and above is my current thinking. I might be wrong though.
 
One of the key points missing is that if you were to finish outside the top 5, you would lose 20kg of your previously earned ballast.
Also I believe this season, the ballast that you carry will also be for qualifying. I am on my iPhone at the moment, so I will give you a more detailed answer when I get

Home. In my opinion though, it is always better to finish as high as possible.
 
You bring up winner's weight as a strategic tool. No one will seriously consider pulling a Prost and "dropping out of place for the bigger picture."

It's too risky and not at all reliable as different tracks will punish drivers with lots of ballast differently than others.

I'd say using the system from season 2 would work fine. It gives different weight amounts to GT300s so the added weight isn't more drastic due to the lower power. It was used to great effect:

Podium Finishers from each classes will be incurred Success Ballast Penalties (added weight) for the following race. Success Ballast Penalties can only
be removed 20kg at a time if you miss the podium the very next race. Ballast will accumulate depending on your success. Your ballast stays with you even if you miss a race, you can only get ballast reduced if you finish 4th or lower in a race. Ballast will only be added for races, all qualifying runs are done without incurring any weight penalties.
There is no mandated location or weight distribution for your ballast weight; you may change the position, just not the weight, at any time and at your discretion.
Each class has separate systems as shown below.
GT500 Class:
1st: 60 kg - Will depend on the Race Percentage Completion will affect the rest of the field.
2nd: 40 kg
3rd: 20 kg

GT300 Class:
1st: 50 kg
2nd: 30 kg
3rd: 10 kg
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Only thing I would alter is the rule about not using ballast in qualifying. It definitely should be used in qualifying.
 
Wardez
You bring up winner's weight as a strategic tool. No one will seriously consider pulling a Prost and "dropping out of place for the bigger picture."

It's too risky and not at all reliable as different tracks will punish drivers with lots of ballast differently than others.

I'd say using the system from season 2 would work fine. It gives different weight amounts to GT300s so the added weight isn't more drastic due to the lower power. It was used to great effect:

Only thing I would alter is the rule about not using ballast in qualifying. It definitely should be used in qualifying.
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Was just about to say that ballast should also be used in qualifying.
 
Somewhere in the op, masi had written that ballast would be used in qualifying.
The rest seems fair. If we were to run fields of 16, then it would be ok to apply ballast to the top 4 (25%).
We are now running fields of 12, so to apply ballast to the first 3 (25%) in each race seems right to me.
I will write a draft today and forward it to litchi and Dom for approval.
Hopefully it will be in the op later.
 
It's currently more viable for me to finish 4th in Pure because of the 60/40/20 ballast amounts, meaning 3rd place will essentially add 40KG's of ballast over 4th in the next race.

Something to think about. Not that I would tank a 3rd to drop weight, but it would theoretically be smarter then finishing 3rd, leaving myself a much heavier weight into the final race of the season.
 
CSLACR
It's currently more viable for me to finish 4th in Pure because of the 60/40/20 ballast amounts, meaning 3rd place will essentially add 40KG's of ballast over 4th in the next race.

Something to think about. Not that I would tank a 3rd to drop weight, but it would theoretically be smarter then finishing 3rd, leaving myself a much heavier weight into the final race of the season.
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How would you feel about this;

Gt500
1st. - 60kg
2nd - 40kg
3rd - 20kg
4th - 10kg


Gt300
1st. - 50kg
2nd - 30kg
3rd - 20kg
4th - 10kg


Also what about sprint races. Do they carry the same ballast as the feature, do we add extra ballast from the feature or are sprint races no ballast?
 
twistedfirework
How would you feel about this;

Gt500
1st. - 60kg
2nd - 40kg
3rd - 20kg
4th - 10kg

Gt300
1st. - 50kg
2nd - 30kg
3rd - 20kg
4th - 10kg

Also what about sprint races. Do they carry the same ballast as the feature, do we add extra ballast from the feature or are sprint races no ballast?
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In the case of a dual race round I would say that the ballast should be added based on the aggregate scores from the round i.e top 3 or 4 points scorers from that round (feature and sprint race combined)
 
Scanny_Flick
In the case of a dual race round I would say that the ballast should be added based on the aggregate scores from the round i.e top 3 or 4 points scorers from that round (feature and sprint race combined)
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That sounds fair. Whats your thoughts on levels of ballast and number of positions it is applied to?
 
Yup aggregate scores for dual heats is what we use in Pure to great effect 👍.

Looks ok but if we are only geting low numbers id suggest only the podium places get ballast.
 
Good discussion.

If using total score for the event, will "qual" and "fastest lap" points also be included?
If using total score, it also needs to be stated what happens if two drivers end up on the same score for the event.
Lastly, also state if ballast will be reduced given a lower placing in the results.

Looking forward to see the final ballast rule.
 
The drivers who finish on the same points get this same ballast I believe.
 
If you are tied 1st you would receive half of the sum for 1st and 2nd. Using 50, 30,10 as an example. For tied 1st both drivers would receive 40kg each. 50+30=80 divided by 2.
Tied for 2nd would receive 20kg each.
Tied for 3rd would receive 10kg each.
What's the feedback regarding including total points to decide placed in dual heats races. (quali results and fastest laps etc)?
 
I think bonus points are added to the overall points in the dual heats too :).
 
Great ideas here.

I'd prefer ballast for top 3, but top 4 is also fine. Ballast should be used in qualifying, long races and sprint races alike. Also, on Dual Heats ballast should be decided on top point scorers. That is all my opinion, of course. 👍
 
GV27
Great ideas here.

I'd prefer ballast for top 3, but top 4 is also fine. Ballast should be used in qualifying, long races and sprint races alike. Also, on Dual Heats ballast should be decided on top point scorers. That is all my opinion, of course. 👍
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I totally agree
 
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