GTWC - Motegi Super Speedway HELP!

[iLex]

I feel really silly writing this, but.... I can't seem to win the twin ring montegi course (race 2) of the GT World Championship.

For some reason I cannot reach the cornering speeds that my opponents reach. This might be a settings problem, but it could also be me. I drive a black Mazda 787B with a stage 4 turbo. That car should have enough power to win this race... The other races are no problem.
Can you give me some tips on the settings and maybe technique on this track please?

I also don't know on which tires I should start. I lost the first race once due to a pitstop, so I don't want to fail there.

Thanks in advance!

 

[luftrofl]

Practice to find out the following things:
1) How many laps the tires last at race pace. From there you can judge if you will need to change the tires.
2) For what reasons are you not matching the cornering speeds of your opponents? Understeer? Oversteer? Track knowledge(or lack of).

My advice:
-Practice a few laps and get some good settings, then run a practice race(actually enter it for a few laps then hit the reset button) to see if you can win.
-Take off the Stage 4 turbo. You don't need it(stock power is enough to win) and if you're having tire wear issues then it only makes it worse.

 

[iLex]

2) For what reasons are you not matching the cornering speeds of your opponents? Understeer? Oversteer? Track knowledge(or lack of).

Understeer and maybe lack of knowledge of the track, maybe I've underestimated the track (it has 2 curves!). I thought superior speed would do the trick.

My advice:
-Practice a few laps and get some good settings, then run a practice race(actually enter it for a few laps then hit the reset button) to see if you can win.
-Take off the Stage 4 turbo. You don't need it(stock power is enough to win) and if you're having tire wear issues then it only makes it worse.

Thanks. I'm not very good at creating the perfect settings, though. I did get some settings that increased my laptimes and even got me pole position, but these made my car very unstable so I usually spinned out at some point.

 

[luftrofl]

Oh, I thought we were talking about Motegi road course!

Super Speedway is totally different

Understeering problems could be solved by slightly reducing rear downforce(works for me, sometimes) and/or increasing front camber.

 

[iLex]

Oh, I thought we were talking about Motegi road course!

Super Speedway is totally different

Understeering problems could be solved by slightly reducing rear downforce(works for me, sometimes) and/or increasing front camber.

well actually there is some knowledge involved. I have no clue as to where I should (or shouldn't break) and at what point I can accelerate without having the other cars pass me like rockets.
I'll try your tips. thanks! (have to do some work first, though... )

 

[RenesisEvo]

Try left-foot braking gently - and always, always brake on the straights - never try braking and turning because you can spin - very easily done when your tyres are glowing orange.

The larger turn you should not have to brake much for - the second one, aim to knock your speed down to around 160-170mph, and hold the car in to the apex as much as you can. Practice as everyone else has suggested - that's the only way you'll learn.

I would also suggest checking downforce - whilst you might think you dont need any - this track more than any you need the downforce to get the speed around the corners.

 

[iLex]

I did it!!
I increased front camber, kept the downforce on and tried left foot breaking. I won by 1.2 seconds. It was a very exciting race!
Thanks for all your advice 👍

 

[Moloch_horridus]

Never understimate camber on the front wheels - imho it makes the biggest difference to handling of all the suspension settings - 95% of the time I will set front camber between 2.5 and 4.5 and rear between 0 and 1.2.

Next time you see cars racing on tv have a look at the amount of camber they have on the front - Australian V8 Supercars appear to have around 5 degrees - when you look for it it is very easy to see.

 

[SirBerra]

Almost any LMP can win the race, but there are certain cars more suited for winning out of the box.

Cars that are crap for that race are Toyota 7, Jaguar Race Car, Zonda Race Car, Ford GTs, Mercedes CLK Race Car, any Chaparral, Gillet Vertigo. By crap I mean they don't have decent downforce or are rather heavy and wear out tires unevenly or quickly.

Cars perfect for the race are Sauber Mercedes, Nissan R92C, Bentley Race Car, both Pescalaros, Toyota GT-One, BMW LMP Car (not the F1 model) to name a few. Actually the Mazda 787B is fine for that course with minor suspension tuning and gearing adjustment.

 

[SirBerra]

Never understimate camber on the front wheels - imho it makes the biggest difference to handling of all the suspension settings - 95% of the time I will set front camber between 2.5 and 4.5 and rear between 0 and 1.2.

Next time you see cars racing on tv have a look at the amount of camber they have on the front - Australian V8 Supercars appear to have around 5 degrees - when you look for it it is very easy to see.

I've noticed how much camber is used on some race cars and it undoubtedly helps traction in turns. F1 cars front tires look splayed, but the rears are appear straight up and down. I've noticed a few cars in GT4 running with excessive camber even in the rear.

But my question is when doing that in GT4, how much is tire wear increased? With a high amount of camber the rubber is being worn at the edges. Maybe GT4 doesn't know that, so it doesn't make a difference in overall tire wear during an endurance race? What's your take on that?

 

[Moloch_horridus]

I am 99% sure that increased camber results in increased wear but have never really had the time to sit down and work out exactly what factors are important (eg tight twisty tracks vs tracks with big straights may be have an effect on the relationship between camber and tyre wear).

 

[Mart_b]

I find using the 787B in the GTWC if you use super hard tires, you can win most of the races by not having a pit stop. I only had to pit for the Hong Kong and the Super Speedway race. Makes 120pt races easy imo

 

[cerpin_taxt]

I feel really silly writing this, but.... I can't seem to win the twin ring montegi course (race 2) of the GT World Championship.

For some reason I cannot reach the cornering speeds that my opponents reach. This might be a settings problem, but it could also be me. I drive a black Mazda 787B with a stage 4 turbo. That car should have enough power to win this race... The other races are no problem.
Can you give me some tips on the settings and maybe technique on this track please?

I also don't know on which tires I should start. I lost the first race once due to a pitstop, so I don't want to fail there.

Thanks in advance!

you might want to try the Formula Gran Torismo for this. its not the fastest, but it has the accelleration. if you dont have it, do the nurimburgring 24 hour endurance[ you can b-spec this one!] to get it.

 

[Studentdriver]

OK, I've got a related question. I did the GTWC with the 2J a couple days ago and earned 200 points for each race, except for this one, which I did not win (actually, I was lapped). I've read that the used R390 or the used 787B can get you 200 points, but I'm in the 1500s for days; in my new quest for A-Spec points, I missed the second cycle. My question is: How much mileage would be required to get one of these cars (preferably the 787B) to have oil bad enough to get 200 points? I don't want to spend 3.5 million on one, but I'm not sure how long I want to wait to get this done. Should I just get the car the third time around, or should I buy one new, and if I were to buy a new 787B, how much mileage would I need to put on it?

 

[RenesisEvo]

OK, I've got a related question. I did the GTWC with the 2J a couple days ago and earned 200 points for each race, except for this one, which I did not win (actually, I was lapped). I've read that the used R390 or the used 787B can get you 200 points, but I'm in the 1500s for days; in my new quest for A-Spec points, I missed the second cycle. My question is: How much mileage would be required to get one of these cars (preferably the 787B) to have oil bad enough to get 200 points? I don't want to spend 3.5 million on one, but I'm not sure how long I want to wait to get this done. Should I just get the car the third time around, or should I buy one new, and if I were to buy a new 787B, how much mileage would I need to put on it?

From what Ive seen in the 200 A-spec point thread, you need to put anywhere between 5000 and 9000 miles on a car (depending on the car) for the power to drop to a minimum. Even so, I think maybe the new one will have more power anyway. Your best bet is to do other races, and wait until the third one swings around - unless you are prepared to spend a lot of time B-speccing around the Test Course.