h pattern gearbox vs paddles

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I finally got myself a g27, and I was trying out the h pattern gearbox, I noticed that when I brake and depress the clutch to go into a corner the car seems to carry more speed and understeer less than when I use the paddles to downshift, is this an real effect or is it just my mind playing tricks on me?

Also, when using the paddles, does the game ever disengage the clutch when you brake, or does it only do it when you change gears?
 
Im not sure about the G27 but from my personal experience with the DFGT, the paddle shifters and sequential shift do seem different for me. The sequential seems to be a lot more responsive and more controllable. Since There made by the same company, they may have done the same with the g27.
 
This has made me want go jump in my car and smash it through some back roads with the clutch down on the bends
 
It's actually some simulation thing.. If you do that with a real car you will break the transmission. It just recreates what would probably happen in real life but without the car breaking :D
 
I don't drive a manual in real life, so when you break into a corner the clutch shouldn't be depressed at the same time? That would rev the engine to much right...
 
I drive manual and you keep it in gear when going round corners, bends etc... Going round in neutral will give you NO control at all if something were to happen like oversteer or understeer.
 
Depress your clutch when coming to stop, otherwise your car will stall.

Keeping it in gear when turning won't rev your engine at all, it will simply stay at the required rpm for that gear + speed.
 
Can anyone confirm what I'm seeing? If this is true wouldn't some players have an unfair advantage in certain situations as you can't do this when using the paddles
 
dude, i've driven manual in real life for 2 years, you do not depress the clutch when taking a turn.

coming to a corner, brake, clutch down, shift into the correct gear, clutch back up, make the turn and power out.
 
Yes I know when you drive in real life that's the proper technique, I'm talking about the game now, since you don't care if the car breaks, and you have unlimited number of tries to set a fast lap.
 
Well you're going to be slower if you depress the clutch, if you're going for a fast lap use paddle shifters, i've just tried it out and you do understeer alot when the clutch is down on gran turismo. That'll be because theres no power going to the wheels therefor your car just doesn't go the way you want it too. I imagine it'll be something to do with the differential not powering the right wheel to keep it nicely in the bend. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, although if i recall correctly i was told similar in real when I took the car out too Donington park by one of the instructors.
 
If you are coasting through a corner, why would you be slower with the clutch depressed, given that breaking the car isn't an issue, such as in gt. Wouldn't you be slower with the clutch engaged since the engine is slowing the wheels down when you aren't giving gas?
 
Keep tapping the accelerator, coasting through just causes much more understeer and will end up making you slower, your car doesn't slow that much providing you brake to a good speed before turning
 
Can someone explain how having the clutch depressed when coasting causes damage? There is no reason why that would happen that I can think of. Damage should only happen when changing from engaged and depressed.
 
I thought that too - providing you rev-match when you go back into gear, i don't think coasting would cause your transmission to break?
 
That's what I thought too. Back to the main topic, I agree that it makes no sense that when coasting with the clutch depressed you would go slower than coasting in gear.

Edit: If only I could have my G27 with me and setup, I just don't have the space to deal with having it here.
 
Downshifting when racing in real life is very important, not just because you need to set good times but because you can make some damage to your car... that's why racers use the heel-toe technique when downshifting using a h pattern transmission and some sequentials..... they do that to put the car at the right rpm range...
 
Ok, the key word you forgot in there the first time was racing. But, that would only apply to cars with racing transmissions though, right? It still doesn't make sense that having the clutch depressed causes damage unless it doesn't completely disengage in those transmissions.
 
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Downshifting when racing in real life is very important, not just because you need to set good times but because you can make some damage to your car... that's why racers use the heel-toe technique when downshifting using a h pattern transmission and some sequentials..... they do that to put the car at the right rpm range...
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heal and toe downshifting when racing important? I do it driving on the streets looool i aint risking my gearbox for some engine-braking
 
Let me break it down for you:

If the clutch is depressed you wont damage anything at all, no matter what gearbox is used and what gear you're in.
IRL you cant just shift down with a H-pattern gearbox, you need to use the clutch to not break the transmission, but you cant keep it completely depressed, because then you wont get any help from the engine braking, and therefore you'll get understeer and that is what you experience in-game @Gr8888T . The car has no engine brake, therefore it doesn't stop as well and doesn't turn as well. the answer to this problem IRL is heel and toe technique. In-game you dont need to worry about breaking the gearbox so its no problem, simply dont use the clutch. you can actually steer the car with the engine brake, downshifting earlier turns the car more into the corner, and waiting with the downshift causes more understeer but makes the car more stable.
With a sequential gearbox you don't need to use the clutch IRL either, just lift of the throttle when shifting, up or down.

And there is no difference if you use the stick shifter or the paddles, no matter if its a G27 or a DFGT its the completley same signals you send to the game.

And doing heel-toe on the streets might be fun, I do it aswell, but its completely unnecessary, you never drive that fast on the streets anyway, and if you do, you're an idiot.
@Macapaca : what do you mean you dont want to risk your gearbox? drive like a normal human being and it will never be a problem! heel-toe will, if not done exactley right, wear out your clutch eventually.
 
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Let me break it down for you:
@Macapaca : waht do you mean you dont want to risk your gearbox? drive lika a normal human being and it will never be a problem! heel-toe will, if not done exactley right, wear out your clutch eventually.
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I've used heal and toe since i started driving on the road (before i used to track day where no license is required and was for juniors) so i was taught how to do it, my clutch has done over 100K and still good. I don't drive fast on the streets, usually 60-70mph on 70mph limit backroads. I tend to save speed for trackdays
 
Infact, after junior tracking, heal and toe kind of became second-nature
 
Macapaca
I've used heal and toe since i started driving on the road (before i used to track day where no license is required and was for juniors) so i was taught how to do it, my clutch has done over 100K and still good. I don't drive fast on the streets, usually 60-70mph on 70mph limit backroads. I tend to save speed for trackdays
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You've driven 100k miles in 2 years? I find that hard to believe.
 
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You've driven 100k miles in 2 years? I find that hard to believe.
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I've done 36,000 Who said i did the previous 65,000? Car was passed down to me from my dad who had done 65,776 miles, who also races and he taught me how to drive
 
Macapaca
heal and toe downshifting when racing important? I do it driving on the streets looool i aint risking my gearbox for some
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It is very important, I know it cause It's on the Apex book that came in the GT5 Collector's edition lol. Now if you want to do it when driving on the streets, I don't blame you, its very very cool! I do it too!
 
But obviously when racing its something you must do if you want to keep that engine going for a while aaand because you will be faster ( again, Apex book said that)
 
So there's some engine breaking if you keep the clutch engaged while cornering, which goes back to my original post, when you depress the clutch while cornering, forgetting about what it's doing to the engine or transmission ( I'm talking about the game now), in theory the car will have more speed since engine braking is absent. Please correct me if I'm wrong
 
I guess you are right! But you will have no control over the car and the exiting speed will be lower... you will go into the corner too fast... and remember... slow in, fast out.
 
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Can someone explain how having the clutch depressed when coasting causes damage? There is no reason why that would happen that I can think of. Damage should only happen when changing from engaged and depressed.
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AFAIK, the only thing it would do is apply a miniscule bit of wear to the return springs. In essence, it's little different than shifting to neutral, since both effectively disconnect the drive shaft(s) from the engine.

Personally, it's not something I would tend to do in real life, although when driving a clutch equipped car, I often find myself slipping into 1970s gas-saving techniques and coasting down long hills, an after effect of having lived through the old world aristocracy's first sucker punch in their long battle to the NWO that I don't quite seem to be able to shake.
 

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