Hard times with hard tires

[FLX1981]

I have big problems with hard racing tires in the game. Am I the only one who thinks they re completely useless? They provide nowhere near the grip of soft tires but they dont even last longer or are they?

At the Indy 500 with the Minolta its 1 lap more but almost 1 second per lap slower with hard tires. I m doing the Nürburgring 4 hrs at the moment with my ZR1 RM and I just lost 2 minutes because I couldnt even keep the car straight after the carousel in my last lap. It was my fourth with the hard tires. Soft tires get you to 3 easily and still have almost 1/4 left.

So whats the freakin point in those dumb hard tires???

 

[caladina]

pd get their tyres from dunking donuts,
i did the indy endo with the hard tyres and went for full down force and foot flat out all the way, the trade off trying to make the tyres last by lifting off for the corners wasn't worth the time loss

keeping it flat i could lap the others before i had to pit,

i managed to get a lowly 15 -18 laps from the tyres but finished 7 laps ahead
i left the fuel ro refill as standard till my final stop but by that time it didn't matter as i was feeding the ducks by then

yay 66 jag to take on the historical now, shame its only a single two stage race, should have been a chapionship (historicals)

apart from this event the hard tyres are not much use, i mainly use soft, nail the crap out of them and make a stop and retake the feild on new tyres
that goes to sh t if you get spun around lol

 

[JJ72]

So whats the freakin point in those dumb hard tires???

To provide a set of racing tires with a realistic level of grip?

 

[entropy731]

To provide a set of racing tires with a realistic level of grip?

Ya man, the softs feel like I'm racing on bubble gum.

 

[NFSCARBON1]

I did the 300k grand valley in a modified Minolta. On hard tyres it was useless, I could enter a corner relatively slow (no need to push as it's overkill anyway) and the car would grip, then halfway round the corner, either understeer,oversteer or a combination of both. I managed 5 laps on them and when i pitted the tyres were almost down to nothing and glowing red even with no wheelspin. On Racing softs i managed 15 laps comfortably.

 

[FLX1981]

@ JJ72: I dont mind the grip of the hard tires. Its of course realistic that their grip is worse than that of the soft tires.

What I dont understand is why hard tires never seem to last longer than soft ones???

I mean, shouldnt they at least last 3-5 laps longer on a normal track than the soft tires?

 

[caladina]

I did the 300k grand valley in a modified Minolta. On hard tyres it was useless, I could enter a corner relatively slow (no need to push as it's overkill anyway) and the car would grip, then halfway round the corner, either understeer,oversteer or a combination of both. I managed 5 laps on them and when i pitted the tyres were almost down to nothing and glowing red even with no wheelspin. On Racing softs i managed 15 laps comfortably.

i took my 340 hp arta garaiya to the grand valley endo, all you need for that is a good handeling car thats going to be nice to drive for the duration.

i have found that like real life the race cars make much better use of thier tyres when the arodynamics are working, so trying to get the car to feel good on hards below 100mph probably will be gently gently.

for the slow twisties softs are good

i'm thinking there is alot more programming in the tyres than just being grippy or not, if you work the tyres properly they do pay you back with an extra few laps, depends how you want to drive your race, fast and furious burning up the tyres or nursing the tyres and getting the most out of them

any real life race drivers in here who have driven different compound tyres would be benificial to this subject

 

[caladina]

@ JJ72: I dont mind the grip of the hard tires. Its of course realistic that their grip is worse than that of the soft tires.

What I dont understand is why hard tires never seem to last longer than soft ones???

I mean, shouldnt they at least last 3-5 laps longer on a normal track than the soft tires?

depends on how they are treated, and the downforce.
my test before the indy 500 i got 5-8 more laps from the hard tyres than the soft, that was with the minota on full down force and flat out till the right rear gave out completely

 

[Zoom!Zoom!]

Hard tires are used to make some car handling more realistic. For example Nascar. Nascar has too much grip with soft racing while hard racing feels about right (not that I've ever race these cars but only going by watching Nascar). Yet from the Nascar races I've been to I would say they are racing on very soft tires.
Hard racing tires also give me a lot more interesting races. I use soft racing tires only for super fast race cars like FGT. Most of the time soft racing tires equals a super easy win when racing the AI.
In most cases I try to keep stock tires on cars while racing with the AI or at least use the same tires as the AI. Changing tires is like changing the car's class in GT5.

 

[FLX1981]

my test before the indy 500 i got 5-8 more laps from the hard tyres than the soft, that was with the minota on full down force and flat out till the right rear gave out completely

Interesting. I never got more than one extra lap out the Minolta @ the Indy 500 with hard tires, full downforce and the exact same driving. Even with backing off the throttle a little bit in the corners.

Sigh.

 

[NFSCARBON1]

i took my 340 hp arta garaiya to the grand valley endo, all you need for that is a good handeling car thats going to be nice to drive for the duration.

i have found that like real life the race cars make much better use of thier tyres when the arodynamics are working, so trying to get the car to feel good on hards below 100mph probably will be gently gently.

for the slow twisties softs are good

i'm thinking there is alot more programming in the tyres than just being grippy or not, if you work the tyres properly they do pay you back with an extra few laps, depends how you want to drive your race, fast and furious burning up the tyres or nursing the tyres and getting the most out of them

any real life race drivers in here who have driven different compound tyres would be benificial to this subject

I understand that, i was just surprised at how unpredictable the tyres were, as you say softly, softly below 100mph, but when your doing 120mph through a much faster corner (160mph on Racing Softs) and the car slides off the track it's a bit odd. And yes looking after the tyres does pay you back, after my first stint on RS tyres i got bored so i went as fast as possible and could only manage 10 laps.

 

[caladina]

have you tried altering the downforce and seeing if that benifits your style of driving to the tyres, not so much keeping the car on track but the tyre wear

i usually try both extremes (df) to see which way the wear is going

 

[NFSCARBON1]

have you tried altering the downforce and seeing if that benifits your style of driving to the tyres, not so much keeping the car on track but the tyre wear

i usually try both extremes (df) to see which way the wear is going

I just stick to softs now! Stronger downforce in general reduces tyre wear as the car doesn't slide across the road. However with cars with high downforce (Formula GT, Red Bull X2010) the high downforce causes extra tyre wear on the inside tyres (e.g. round Daytona the left hand front tyre should wear down first).

 

[caladina]

Interesting. I never got more than one extra lap out the Minolta @ the Indy 500 with hard tires, full downforce and the exact same driving. Even with backing off the throttle a little bit in the corners.

Sigh.

i never backed off, i tryed that but the time you lost was alot, a hell of alot, i was about 3 something seconds quicker than 2nd place driver a lap by going flat out, if i lifted i was staying the same amount of time ahead, so probaly a loss of 3 seconds

maybe thats where the lap gain comes from?

from the last time i used the car i didn't alter the suspension so it could well be all hard and lowwered (leave it!!!!) and i may have the toe on front and back set to 0.0 for straight line speed as the df took care of the corners, not sure what the suspension was
i was hitting 235 with non slip and 245 in slip
running average of 40's and a fastest lap of 39.189 with two slips