Hard to Love? The 2008 Dodge Avenger

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I must admit, these have been trying times for Chrysler and all of their subsidaries. Despite the fact that their LX cars have been a runaway success, the Caliber has been doing quite well, and truck sales have maintained themselves slightly, the company continues to do only "so-so" in most respects. With the end of the marriage with Mitsubishi, the bitter deals made with Hyundai/Kia, and the possible break-up of DaimlerBenz and Chrysler on the horizon, they certainly have picked a good time to replace their two best-selling cars; The Chrysler Sebring and the Dodge Stratus, now Avenger.

I've been known to bash the Sebring, and I shall make no apologies about that, but with the Avenger I'm finding the car hard to love, and yet just as hard to hate.

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First of all, the exterior styling is purely Dodge by definition, and certainly has a look of its own against the Camry and Accord, but it is by no means pretty either. I like the idea of a "son of Charger" sedan, and they have managed to push forward that idea rather well, but after seeing it in person, I'm not so sure of the execution. The lines seem a bit awkward, particularly the "muscle" hump on the back side, and the rather pissed-off grille up front. That said, there is some level of definition to the look overall, and it by-far outdoes its sister car, the Sebring in the looks department.

Inside, you find the typical Dodge look with the typical Dodge quality, aka not too good. If GM and Ford have been improving, Dodge has certainly fallen behind those two, and it is an increasing margin. That isn't to say that the look isn't functional or good-looking, but poor quality materials make me cringe, both on the dash and on the seats.

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The good news is that Dodge didn't change all of the powerplants, as they are all pretty familiar across the Chrysler, Mitsubishi, and Hyundai/Kia boards. The 2.4L I4 does its job admirally well, the 2.7L V6 splits the difference, and the 3.5L V6 pulls hard to make itself known. Although it is questionable what "quality" these engines have by comparison to the Ford/Mazda I4s and GM V6s, and even moreso with the various models offered by Honda and Toyota, one does have to ask, "Wheres the beef?" The good news is, Dodge will sell you an AWD Avenger later this year, and that may be a convincing feature with some people.

...But with everything viewed as a negative, I just have such a hard time not liking it to some extent. It looks new, origional by comparison to others, a bit dangerous, and I guess the word "tough" comes to mind. It is sort of the same appeal that the Caliber has, in which every one of your senses tells you that it is not a good car, and yet you want to go out and pick one up.

The good news is that the Avenger is cheap. Starting just shy of $19,000 for the basic model, the R/T goes for right around $24,000 with the 3.5L V6, smack-dab in the middle of the mid-size sedan grouping.

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So I guess the question becomes what exactly do you think about the Avenger? Will it do well for Dodge? Would you buy one? Is it an appealing alternative to the competition?
 
I saw an Avenger yesterday evening. DCX is fast destroying all the great designs from the Pentastar brand of the mid-to-late 1990s.

The first thing I thought was: "Wow, some body shop did a terrible job repairing that Dodge Charger". Aggressive rear wheel arches on an front-driver is pure rice, end of story. Count how many times I say the word "rice" at GTP, and you'll understand how serious I mean that.
 
This is a Dodge Avenger:
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This is not:
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I don't care if you made it RWD+V8 Hemi this new Avenger looks like complete and utter rubbish. Period. I'd rather drive a go-cart to work than this POS.
 
The Charger is nicely-styled – I’d never buy one, but it’s a terribly cool car.

Scaling the size down though did not work. The Avenger’s proportions are all wrong – they squished the horizontal axis, but completely forgot about the vertical one. And the interior is dreadfully cheap – I sat in a new Sebring last month, and I felt like I was drowning in a sea of dull plastic and uninspired shapes.

It may be fine on prices and specs (I have no idea what the specs are), but nothing you can actually stare at is quite right.
 
Caught my first one on Saturday:

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I hate it, as per Sebring. Horrible car.

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The Avenger’s proportions are all wrong – they squished the horizontal axis, but completely forgot about the vertical one.

I strongly disagree. See one in person - nothing looks out of place. And when you see one - don't benchmark the Charger - just look at it for what it is. It looks like another bread-and-butter Chrysler family sedan (in a time when bread and butter is out for family sedans).
 
So is this some sort of Mitsu Galant underneath?

I can't think of a major car launch recently with less fanfare. I've heard basically nothing about these cars. I mean, the "cloud" cars did make sort of a splash when they were new, well, like 10 years ago or whatever.

I just checked Car and Driver and apparently they did test the Sebring twin against Accord, Camry et. al. and it came in dead last. Straight to the bottom of the pack I guess. Funny, I read that comparison and even Car and Driver's langauge didn't manage to make this boring car somewhat memorable.
 
I wish. Those run a nice engine and handle very well. Instead, it's a Chrysler.
Yeah--Galant drivers typically take full advantage of what their car has to offer.

At my old work, there was a tired-looking Galant with tires even more rounded over than mine.

Oh, and I assume you mean this Galant:


Because I was under the impression these were pretty boring:
 
No, I'm referring to the present (2003-_) Galant. Hardly boring - GTS V6 models carry V-rated 17" alloys with sport suspension and do 0-60 in 6.8 seconds; a new-for-2007 Ralliart model has 28 more horsepower for a total of 258 and does 0-60 in the mid sixes. The problem is, some absurd portion of Galant sales are the boring four-cylinder model. :( Find the right Galant, though, and you're looking at a strong Altima competitor - if you can get past the, um, odd interior.
 
Sounds like it would be fun, for a large family car. Too bad most people probably have the same impression of it that I do and it is largely ignored.

Older model is better looking, though. Really quite good looking, actually.
 
Sounds like it would be fun, for a large family car. Too bad most people probably have the same impression of it that I do and it is largely ignored.

I don't think people even have an impression of it - when is the last time you saw one advertised? For me it's been four years.

Older model is better looking, though. Really quite good looking, actually.

A lot of people advance this theory, but I can't get past what an awful car the outgoing Galant was to make a judgement about its styling. It doesn't help that just about every one I see is trashed.
 
This thing is like Poorman's Charger. Cool!.... not. I don't know how it drives, but judging by the pics in this thread, it is one ugly car. :crazy:
The first thing I thought was: "Wow, some body shop did a terrible job repairing that Dodge Charger". Aggressive rear wheel arches on an front-driver is pure rice, end of story. Count how many times I say the word "rice" at GTP, and you'll understand how serious I mean that.
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This is a Dodge Avenger:
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I liked those, too.
 
Sigh.......I'm I the only one that is sick of boxy looking cars that weigh 2 tons and front wheel drive and only an automatic?? I wish that someone would make a light car that is real wheel drive, is curvy, and has good power. The only car that I can think of that mets that criteria is the Mazda Miata. All of the sports cars that are good all around and don't cost a fortune are gone.....
 
Well, I'm a Mopar guy, and, I am a little frustrated that people are so quick to dismiss this car.

sad thing is, I can understand it.

on one hand, I like the more conservative styling compared to Caliber and (oh, god...) Nitro. But, I don't like the lack of quality.

I know exactly what Dodge needs to improve the breed.

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Who's for bringing back the NATCC?
 
...because they never really existed. Small, RWD, sporty cars have never been particularly cost-effective. Some (like the Miata) were so engaging that they sold a bazillion of them, so the used market is a buyers market. But overall a small RWD sporty car is no automotive bargain.

I'm agreeing that Chrysler is dropping the ball recently, despite some of their successes. They used to be my favorite cheap-car manufacturer. In the mid-90's, they had a lineup that was solid - they either looked great and performed adequately (1st gen Avenger, 1st gen Sebring convertible) or looked OK and performed great (Neon, Stratus, PT). Note that by "perform" I mean offer a lot of overall car, in terms of space, features, handling, and power; not necessarily "perform" as in "drive like a sports car". Above all, they were cheap for what you got out of them.

They've got some real successes recently that blow away those older cars, both in terms of looks and real performance, but they're trying too hard to capitalize on that by forcing the look across the entire line, hoping we'll be fooled, when we're not. At the same time they've been forced to cheapen some things to pay for others, and that doesn't necessarily work out.
 
I wish that someone would make a light car that is real wheel drive, is curvy, and has good power. The only car that I can think of that mets that criteria is the Mazda Miata.

The Mazda Miata meets the criteria, which includes "good power," but the BMW Z4 doesn't? Why are we discussing two-seat sports cars, anyway, in a midsize sedan's thread?
 
What is it with Dodge? - why have all their recent vehicles reverted to some sort of blocky 80's design?

We'll be seing the likes of this next (my first US hire car 👎 :yuk: )

 
What I always found to be ironic, and I think I brought it up in a previous thread, is that Top Gear made it sound as though they were excited for the Avenger to be heading to the UK... Why? Sure, I suppose it is "special" that they are getting a diesel engine (no word on US release), and the low price, but it otherwise is no different than the car we are getting here...

On paper, this car is a mess. Compared to the main American competition (Aura, '08 Malibu, Fusion), the Avenger is blown completely out of the water. With some moderate experience with the car, you can feel the cheapness all the way around. But I just can't bring myself to hate it, and I don't know why.

...Maybe there is a voice screaming in the back of my head waiting to see if they decide to do an SRT-4 version of the car. There were plans to do it with the old Stratus, and to be honest, the idea of a 300 BHP Avenger with a stick for well-under $30K sounds rather appealing. That is, if MOPAR doesn't screw it up first...
 
Ha, dodge is bringing back all there coupe names and slapping them on four doors. well they got smart and did the challenger so maby they'll be smart enough to do a coupe version of this to replace the coupe version of the outgoing stratus which was a georgeous car. honda proves there is still a market for a coupe in this segment. Well... i love the charger, and i like this too. the proposed awd sounds good. and if they do an SRT version it BETTER be an SRT6. With the awd of course. 340 hp will do, just like the crossfire SRT6.
 
On paper, this car is a mess. Compared to the main American competition (Aura, '08 Malibu, Fusion), the Avenger is blown completely out of the water. With some moderate experience with the car, you can feel the cheapness all the way around. But I just can't bring myself to hate it, and I don't know why.
DCX has a kind of interesting strategy these days--it's as if they'd rather have 10 customers that grow attached to the car's quirks and unique features/styling and come back for another than 100 customers that go to a different brand.

I bet they are hoping in 3-4 years everyone who buys a Avenger now will step up to a LX car (or I guess it would be a LY car at that point).
 
Ha, dodge is bringing back all there coupe names and slapping them on four doors. well they got smart and did the challenger so maby they'll be smart enough to do a coupe version of this to replace the coupe version of the outgoing stratus which was a georgeous car. honda proves there is still a market for a coupe in this segment. Well... i love the charger, and i like this too. the proposed awd sounds good. and if they do an SRT version it BETTER be an SRT6. With the awd of course. 340 hp will do, just like the crossfire SRT6.

A coupe version isn't out of the question yet. Given that they are building a coupe version of the Stratus for the convertible crowd, and given that the Pontiac G6 coupe has sold moderately well, Dodge may need to bring back the coupe one more time. Problem is, I'm not sure the look of the car will be that forgiving with coupe proportions. But in a grouping that will likely be dominated by the Honda Accord V6 coupe and that of the new Altima V6 coupe, I wouldn't put too much money in the Dodge pot.

...As for the SRT models, my guess is that an SRT-4 version is far more likely and "do-able" than the SRT-6 model you are suggesting. The problem in that is the Crossfire SRT-6 is basically the SLK32 from a few years back, and I doubt any of those pieces would transfer into the Gallant platform. Given that the Avenger is running some of the same equipment found in the Caliber, it doesn't require too large of a stretch to see them doing that in the Avenger...

As for AWD with an SRT model, it won't happen. They are using components that can't handle that much power, so unless we want to start blowing transmissions and differentials left and right, we're better off doing a 300 BHP FWD sedan with a limited-slip differential, some trickery with the suspension and tire setups, and include a manual transmission.

If they could push one of those out for $25-27K, it could become one of the best performance bargains in quite some time to come from Dodge...
 
Caught my first one on Saturday:

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Am I the only one who noticed the Benz before even looking at the Dodge?

The only good looking car to come out of Chrysler was the Crossfire SRT-6.
 
Am I the only one who noticed the Benz before even looking at the Dodge?

Same here. I spent more time looking at the white Range Rover and what looks to be a maroon 5 series BMW or Nissan Maxima.

And on that Range Rover I see what looks to be 4 Land/Range Rovers in that pic. 2 white, 1 silver, and 1 maroon. Its almost like playing where's waldo. lol :sly:
 
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