Hardcore rubbing.....

[Calamari100]

Hi guys....sorry I couldn't resist a bit of innuendo. Anyway, as we all know, many people like to gently scrape past the other racers cars. Thats fine, but how hard should you be allowed to bump or scrape someone before it becomes ramming? Just wanted to hear your opinions
My personal opinion is that if the Car you touch needs to apply any form of opposite lock, it's to hard.....sorry this post sounds so wrong lol

We've already got a thread on this lol, its called playful touching

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=225516&highlight=playful+touching

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

That's beside the point though. If the host wants a NASCAR room with zero contact, and he's willing to kick people to get it, then there is something wrong with contact.

Likewise, if he's OK with a F1 demolition derby, that's what you'll get.

True, if thats how the host wants it. I run clean NASCAR rooms where contact is allowed and it hardly turns into a demo derby so you are wrong there. Just because you allow contact, doesn't mean it has to turn into a demo derby. This may sound funny, but as long as its casual contact, its fine. I've ran alot NASCAR races and never came across one where contact is not allowed but to each their own I guess. Just saying in NASCAR there is nothing wrong with it. The NASCAR dirty rooms where you intentionally try to take people out, those I absolutely despise.

 

[Crumpet]

If you scrape a car enough to move them out of the racing line, it's essentially ramming.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

If you scrape a car enough to move them out of the racing line, it's essentially ramming.

True, but if you give them a little TAP going into a corner (Daytona) and they lose control of their car and move up a lane, thats on them. They should be able to hang on to their car better than that or a better setup where its not so loose.

 

[Bigbazz]

Contact is dirty, i've had a few people who take the inside line and push me out of the way, as if that is a genuine pass. Thankfully those people are usually the slow easy wrecker ones, if I don't repass them within a few corners they often will have found their way into a wall or gravel trap.

Sometimes it is unavoidable, but you shouldn't go around thinking a bit of rubbing is ok, it's not meant to be something you do on purpose, unless its in a hollywood movie.

But also unlike hollywood movies, putting your foot on the clutch, changing gear and then pushing down the throttle pedal even harder!!! doesn't allow you to magically overtake.

 

[Hayden]

But also unlike hollywood movies, putting your foot on the clutch, changing gear and then pushing down the throttle pedal even harder!!! doesn't allow you to magically overtake.

My standpoint is that accidents happen I try my hardest to stay clean but when the person in front brakes early or cuts you off, it's usually unavoidable. The other day i ditched my car into the sandtrap to avoid ramming the guy in 1st after he broke way to soon. While it lost me the race, it helped to keep my clean racer status intact which is important when you mostly race with the same group of people.

 

[Bigbazz]

Sometimes accidents are unavoidable, the attitude that "rubbing is racing" people use to justify bumping their way around and divebombing in braking zones however is just not acceptable, but as I said, it is usually only the bad drivers that do it, especially those frustrated as to why they are slower.

I've had some great clean racing on GT5 in public rooms, I don't often see bad mannered racers! As for accidents, they will happen sometimes and sometimes you will rub when you race, that doesn't mean that you should drive like its ok to rub, bump and divebomb.


By divebomb I don't mean out-brake, I mean when you stick your car down the inside line and use the car you're passing (who is already turning into the corner) as a barrier, forcing the other car out of the way so that you can claim the line (and position).

 

[Nicksfix]

True, but if you give them a little TAP going into a corner (Daytona) and they lose control of their car and move up a lane, thats on them. They should be able to hang on to their car better than that or a better setup where its not so loose.

Are you serious ? Tapping a car going into a corner at 200 mph @ Daytona !!!
That's the worst place ever to tap anybody.

You better read what Daan said, again, again, again, again, and again.

And in a computer game that has online lag, a slight tap on your screen, can translate to a catastrophic, race destroying, hit on the other person's screen.

Truth brother, truth !!!!! 👍

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Ok, I see I'm the only NASCAR person in here and we are obviously talking about two different types of racing and opinions about rubbing are differing because of that. In NASCAR, rubbing is racing, I don't care what you say. The last lap of todays NASCAR race is a perfect example of that. Nothing dirty about it.

 

[Bigbazz]

I drive in the Nationwide series on iRacing (B licence in ovals), you wouldn't do very well there with an attitude like that, you would wreck too often probably resulting in losing your licence. Bump drafting is not the same thing as what you're describing.

 

[sentinel404]

rubbin's racin.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Are you serious ? Tapping a car going into a corner at 200 mph @ Daytona !!!
That's the worst place ever to tap anybody.

You better read what Daan said, again, again, again, again, and again.



Truth brother, truth !!!!! 👍

You obviously need to get a clue dude, seriously. In this game, if you can't handle a tap, you need to keep off the track. I can push and be pushed all the way around the track. Your confusing this with real life.

 

[Bigbazz]

You been watching Days of Thunder too much.

 

[ImprezaAddict]

Sometimes accidents are unavoidable, the attitude that "rubbing is racing" people use to justify bumping their way around and divebombing in braking zones however is just not acceptable, but as I said, it is usually only the bad drivers that do it, especially those frustrated as to why they are slower.

This. 👍
Contact is unavoidable, and as daan said, can be greatly distorted/magnified due to lag. But clean driving is always a must.

 

[GTP_Gearhead]

I live 20 miles from Daytona, although I find Nascar extremely boring I appreciate the fans. (They bring down lots of green)

Back on topic,
I think rubbing is far more accepted in Nascar/Sprint style racing. Although it is unrealistic, I like to see extremely clean road racing.

http://www.allleftturns.com/rubbin-not-racing

 

[Jubby]

Ok, I see I'm the only NASCAR person in here and we are obviously talking about two different types of racing and opinions about rubbing are differing because of that. In NASCAR, rubbing is racing, I don't care what you say. The last lap of todays NASCAR race is a perfect example of that. Nothing dirty about it.

No, you're not the only NASCAR person here. It happens to be my original passion. So, I can-and do- see what you're saying.

However, you're talking about the last turn on the last lap at a track with restrictor plates, not lap 3 of 400 at Dover(just to pick a track). I don't think someone wedging their way on the inside in turn one on lap three is acceptable. Wouldn't you agree? If you did that often, you'd eventually find your way into the garage because you met the SAFR barrier. It isn't very often that we find ourselves in a door-to-door situation within a half-mile of the completion of the race fighting for a win. We also don't have to deal with the twitchy-loose nature of the NASCAR cars as the real drivers do, so we have more room for error. In real life, you get aero loose, but in our game, you don't. (See Jimmy's crash late in the Charlotte race)

Online racing is unfortunately glitchy, so it's better to avoid contact, I believe that is the point. Now I think you've missed the original post. He wasn't asking if it was dirty, he was asking where to draw the line. If you're going to draw a line, its easier to have the ideal that there is no contact. Yes, it happens. It usually isn't dirty. It isn't always on purpose. I completely see your point KB. When it happens it isn't necessarily dirty, and it usually happens more with NASCAR because of the track-car-field size combination. Hopefully you can see the other side that I'm describing.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

You been watching Days of Thunder too much.

Your funny my friend but don't quit your day job. I also do IRACING and have been doing so for many years with clean license so just stop right there hero. I can see the point I'm trying to make has gone straight over your elitist head. Too much ignorance in this thread now. Got better things to do than argue with you and listen to your childish insults. Tell it to someone who cares.

 

[Bigbazz]

Your funny my friend but don't quit your day job. I also do IRACING and have been doing so for many years with clean license so just stop right there hero. I can see the point I'm trying to make has gone straight over your elitist head. Too much ignorance in this thread now. Got better things to do than argue with you and listen to your childish insults. Tell it to someone who cares.

I'm elitist for thinking that intentional rubbing is bad? You're lying about the iRacing. If you drove like that in iRacing you would find yourself in the wall within a lap of the green flag.


If thinking that people should respect other drivers is elitist, then I guess I am elitist. Bump drafting and rubbing happens, but you make it out like you just jump in a Stock car and start pushing people off the inside line? It aint anything about having a loose setup, those cars are loose as a goose in general, it doesn't take a lot to send you into a wall.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

No, you're not the only NASCAR person here. It happens to be my original passion. So, I can-and do- see what you're saying.

However, you're talking about the last turn on the last lap at a track with restrictor plates, not lap 3 of 400 at Dover(just to pick a track). I don't think someone wedging their way on the inside in turn one on lap three is acceptable. Wouldn't you agree? If you did that often, you'd eventually find your way into the garage because you met the SAFR barrier. It isn't very often that we find ourselves in a door-to-door situation within a half-mile of the completion of the race fighting for a win. We also don't have to deal with the twitchy-loose nature of the NASCAR cars as the real drivers do, so we have more room for error. In real life, you get aero loose, but in our game, you don't. (See Jimmy's crash late in the Charlotte race)

Online racing is unfortunately glitchy, so it's better to avoid contact, I believe that is the point. Now I think you've missed the original post. He wasn't asking if it was dirty, he was asking where to draw the line. If you're going to draw a line, its easier to have the ideal that there is no contact. Yes, it happens. It usually isn't dirty. It isn't always on purpose. I completely see your point KB. When it happens it isn't necessarily dirty, and it usually happens more with NASCAR because of the track-car-field size combination. Hopefully you can see the other side that I'm describing.

Before I go, yes, I do see your point but I think other people are missing mine. Like I said before, I haven't experianced the lag from contact that much. Yes its there, but its not like everytime you touch someone or rub them your gonna cause a catastrophe. The thought of running around Daytona with 10 to 16 other people is really unheard of. Maybe if some of these people raced in Daytona rooms, they would get what I'm talking about. I run with some of the best NASCAR guys on here and never have a problem with casual contact. People just want to be ignorant about I guess so I'm done here. It's pointless to continue.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I'm elitist for thinking that intentional rubbing is bad? You're lying about the iRacing. If you drove like that in iRacing you would find yourself in the wall within a lap of the green flag.


If thinking that people should respect other drivers is elitist, then I guess I am elitist. Bump drafting and rubbing happens, but you make it out like you just jump in a Stock car and start pushing people off the inside line? It aint anything about having a loose setup, those cars are loose as a goose in general, it doesn't take a lot to send you into a wall.

First off bro, don't call me a liar. You have no clue as to who I am or what I've done. Second, never said anything about ramming. Quit being ignorant and grow up. Now, argue with yourself, I'm done, for the last time.

 

[Bigbazz]

First off bro, don't call me a liar. You have no clue as to who I am or what I've done. Second, never said anything about ramming. Quit being ignorant and grow up. Now, argue with yourself, I'm done, for the last time.

I never used the word ramming. I guess you're reading what you want to see in order to have a hostile arguement with me?

 

[LuBu]

On most tracks there is usually plenty of room for two cars to travel down side by side however sometimes one touch leads to a pinball like effect. People being over eager, especially in the first few corners, where the space is limited can also multiply this. I've spun out quite a few times because of this and as a result often prefer to not be on the front row online. People who draft, inches from someones bumper should know the breaking points, it's not hard to move over slightly and make it round a corner.

 

[TiZzla]

Rubbing is racing. As long as you don't push the other car off the track it can be ok.

Like If you make a good pass up the inside but they don't give you room and you make contact then brush past them that's fine.

It's not OK If you do the same thing but you smash into them and bump them off the track. That is not a good passing move at all

As long as you don't gain an advantage from hitting someone it's usually ok provided you did your best to avoid contact 👍

 

[PAWEL17]

I dont mind it, if the car in front is trying to squeeze you off, the grass, you have to hold your ground, even if it means rubbing against the other car.

 

[Heath_1]

Well in my opinion one shouldn't have to bump or scrape one's way past another racer at all.. if you feel that's your only way to overtake then sorry, but you're a dirty racer and need an education on proper overtaking maneuvers.

However; If they're lapped traffic and wont move like they're supposed to then a gentle bump on the rear bumper to say "hey, I'm faster than you and a lap ahead so shift it" is perfectly fine, or if its a gentle rub or shunt by accident because you had a momentary loss of concentration, or even if you're too close and they brake before you (on the conditions it happens once or twice maximum).. but continual shunting, bumping, shoving and trying to push someone out of your way because you're nothing but a rude pig who wants to charge your way through the field then that is when it becomes wrong.

 

[TiZzla]

Well in my opinion one shouldn't have to bump or scrape one's way past another racer at all.. if you feel that's your only way to overtake then sorry, but you're a dirty racer and need an education on proper overtaking maneuvers.

However; If they're lapped traffic and wont move like they're supposed to then a gentle bump on the rear bumper to say "hey, I'm faster than you and a lap ahead so shift it" is perfectly fine, or if its a gentle rub or shunt by accident because you had a momentary loss of concentration, or even if you're too close and they brake before you (on the conditions it happens once or twice maximum).. but continual shunting, bumping, shoving and trying to push someone out of your way because you're nothing but a rude pig who wants to charge your way through the field then that is when it becomes wrong.

Sure you shouldn't need to make contact to pass someone but it just happens. It takes 2 skilled and careful drivers to have a close battle with passing moves that don't involve contact. I have had this on many occasions with some great drivers but quite often the player who is being passed doesn't give you room so contact is unavoidable.

And if you watch racing in real life, especially touring cars like the V8supercars you'll see that contact is sometimes just part of racing.

 

[Heath_1]

No doubt, like I said if its an accident that's all good.

Also, nevermind V8 Supercars take a look at the V8 Utes, those guys are nuts!

Anyway back to topic