Harrassment will stop. Now.

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dont get me wrong mike, but if someone is on the recieving end of something or indeed if you just get sick of someonelses bad mouthing posts, there is the option to ignore them. I have not used thisoption but I am lead to believe that you can no longer see the offenders posts.

of course if egos werent flying everywhere we prolly wouldnt have a problem :/
 
Good grief, what part of Neon's post didn't you understand?

It's about harassment, Neon and the rest of the mods can tell the difference between a bit of light hearted ribbing and the persecution of an individual by another. After all they just have to do a search against a name to get the posts up, quick scan and a pm. No change... BAN.

Don't forget access to these boards is a privilege, not a right.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
...or there will be consequences. I'm putting my foot down here:

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Believe what I am saying above.
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And should I add - ****ing Finally !
 
Originally posted by slip2rock
Good grief, what part of Neon's post didn't you understand?

It's about harassment, Neon and the rest of the mods can tell the difference between a bit of light hearted ribbing and the persecution of an individual by another. After all they just have to do a search against a name to get the posts up, quick scan and a pm. No change... BAN.

Don't forget access to these boards is a privilege, not a right.
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Good grief indeed. Persecution is a bit of a strong term, and i have never come across that happening in any forums on GTP - so maybe im off the mark in my previous post :confused:
 
If you get harrassed, it's because you're looking for it. You'll notice it's pretty much always the same people that revolve around this case, yet those people don't seem to be making an effort towards improving what they're picked on for.
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Damn straight. But unfortunately people can't help being idiots I guess. They just ask to be poked fun at. Anyway, it's all in good fun. I mean, if you ignore it, we'll stop. It's like any bully problem I guess.

I'm pretty much agreeing with Cobraboy on the subject anyway. My PM box is empty too.
 
Originally posted by DODGE the VIPER
Damn straight. But unfortunately people can't help being idiots I guess.
When these idiots change their attitude and turn over a new leaf, and show us that they've amended their ways, we need to accept that.

They just ask to be poked fun at. And they've asked to cease with the poking. That didn't work so now the moderator have to insist that it stops

Anyway, it's all in good fun. I mean, if you ignore it, we'll stop. It's like any bully problem I guess.
It's not in good fun, when the recipient has asked that it stop, and it continues. It's not any bullying problem, it's every bullying problem. At of the time of Dukes post, it has stopped.

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Duke's post should be considered by the members of GTP to be "Fair Warning and Notice". It should also be considered to add this to the violations of the AUP:

You will, if asked by a representative of the Forums, cease posting any content, and/or links to content, deemed offensive, objectionable, or in poor taste by the staff of the Forums.
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Therefore, further incidences of harrassment will now be considered as a breach of at least two specific clauses of the AUP.

Neon_Duke has played fair. He's asked you to stop. He's told you that if you don't stop you can expect a slap. Now no whining when the slaps start coming people...
 
If it is in the constitution of the forum, then i have no qualms about the rules being enforced. I just hope mods take an equally firm stance against people looking for trouble by provoking, starting an argument without facts or just making thoughless and idiotic posts.
 
I made this post, and then I deliberately left it to see what would happen. Now I'll come back and respond to some of the replies that have sprung up.

Originally posted by PunkRock
It should go both ways, IMO. If you get harrassed, it's because you're looking for it. You'll notice it's pretty much always the same people that revolve around this case, yet those people don't seem to be making an effort towards improving what they're picked on for.
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Not necessarily true. In some cases, yes it is true. But for the most part, those primary offenses are subject to other areas of the AUP/TOS, and are subject to discipline in their own right. Therefore harrassment is not necessary if the original problem is dealt with, as it most usually is. Notice that many habitual trouble makers do not come back, and many are banned immediately upon identification when they do.

But some do make a legitimate effort to change or improve, yet are harrassed when their new identity is found out. There is a "second chance" policy at GTP, meaning that even banned members are allowed to try again. If the new behaviour is not acceptable, the mods will take disciplinary action. There is no need for citizens to assume for themselves that the person will repeat their old ways.

Note that I am enforcing this policy regardless of my personal feelings for any of the parties involved. That's my job. In one of the more obvious cases, I was the mod who banned the original account. Yet I am the mod who is defending this person's new identity, because there has been an honest change in his behaviour. Once his identity was found out, a number of the usual suspects took it upon themselves to ignore the change and continue to harrass this and other members.
 
Originally posted by Flerbizky
Do what ?...
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You seemed to notice that I'd replied to a thread and made a reference to you, and gravitated towards this thread... Maybe I'm dead and you're channeling my spirit...

I see you fixed your sig..
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Hey I'm not to blame for that! That's EXACTLY how I copied it from the original Colour Blue post! Not my fault if someone's grammar ain't too flash. :grumpy:
 
Originally posted by Tercel_driver
Well, you shouln't. I know that a moderator is also a person and blah, blah, blah, but one of the reasons Jordan picked you as a moderator was because he probably knew you were capable of doing so. Instead of whining, you should do your work. Things like that are probably very common on GTplanet (according to you), so I dont see a reason to just go ballistic and make a post like this. I think you are losing it, and if you keep on doing this, Jordan better give the job to somebody more capable. You get it? It is like a seargent of the Army. You think he goes crying into his superiors how lame his group of soldiers are. Instead he takes it like a man and actually fix it.
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Where am I crying to my superior? Where am I whining? I am doing my job. I've fired a shot in the air and given fair warning. The next shot will not be in the air. People have been warned and it is now their responsibility to make sure they are not presenting a very big target.

And considering the vast majority of your posts on this board, Tercel_driver, you are the last person who should accuse someone of whining.
 
Originally posted by SandStorm
You seemed to notice that I'd replied to a thread and made a reference to you, and gravitated towards this thread... Maybe I'm dead and you're channeling my spirit...

Hey I'm not to blame for that! That's EXACTLY how I copied it from the original Colour Blue post! Not my fault if someone's grammar ain't too flash. :grumpy:
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If you guys have a private conversation to carry on, for the last time, take it to private messages.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Where am I crying to my superior? Where am I whining? I am doing my job. I've fired a shot in the air and given fair warning. The next shot will not be in the air. People have been warned and it is now their responsibility to make sure they are not presenting a very big target.

And considering the vast majority of your posts on this board, Tercel_driver, you are the last person who should accuse someone of whining.
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Boy am I glad I stopped stirring up the mods at least 3 weeks ago! :p

Originally posted by neon_duke
If you guys have a private conversation to carry on, for the last time, take it to private messages.
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Erm, have you even looked at what we've been saying? Or did you jump straight into Fascist Mode? We were having a public conversation, in which Flerbizky made a general comment in passing, would have left it at that, and carried on the PUBLIC conversation. For the last time, indeed...
 
Originally posted by Klostrophobic
I encourage people to harass me, but I guess I won't anymore. I don't see this as such a big problem. But what the **** do I know?
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If you, the target, don't think it's a problem, then it's not a problem. "What the **** you know" is called common sense, despite the fact that it's not very common.

Trash talk, bench racing, ribbing, whatever; it's fine when it's good-natured and reciprocal. But when it is one group of members persecuting another, who have asked that it be stopped, it becomes harrassment. This is unacceptable.

Some people will undoubtedly call me a hypocrite considering my opinion of drifters as a stereotype. I would advise those people to examine my actions since the drifters made an effort to improve themselves, with a long, self-started thread about better quality on their board.
 
Originally posted by SandStorm
Boy am I glad I stopped stirring up the mods at least 3 weeks ago! :p

Erm, have you even looked at what we've been saying? Or did you jump straight into Fascist Mode? We were having a public conversation, in which Flerbizky made a general comment in passing, would have left it at that, and carried on the PUBLIC conversation. For the last time, indeed...
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See my PM to you. If you have anything else to say on this topic, keep it out of this thread.
 
Originally posted by Cobraboy
Exactly, and I think that's where Tercel_Driver was coming from, if duke disliked my post then why didn't he pm me? My inbox is empty... :confused:
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I have PMed you and DODGE the VIPER both before, concerning Sunny/Super-Supra. You both promised to stop. You both violated that promise and continue to harrass him. In fact you have widened your scope to include other targets.

I figured that you were smart enough to generalize my previous warnings to include others besides Sunny. Apparently I was wrong.
 
Originally posted by Mike Rotch
I think _duke putting his foot down is good. But, there is a fine line between "ribbing" another person and "harrasing" them. One of the things that makes this forum great is the "wise cracks" and "smart guy comments". If those are going to be stopped, things may become a bit tedious.
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Agreed. I have no desire to make this a stuffed-shirt, dry forum. But it can be friendlier.
So what is a chap to do when someone makes the biggest, dumbass statement in the forum? Pat him on the back? Avoid the particular thread entirely? Some people deserve to be put in their place once in a while and tattle-tailing to the mods is a sometimes a cowardly, easy way out. I mean if some a-hole is beating on you in real life, you are gonna beat him back, not ask him to stop and go and call the police.

I think _duke needs to define what exactly harrasement constitutes, so harmless banter doesnt lead to a Banned in the avatar.
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A fair point. I've already covered "harmless banter" in my reply to Klos. And indeed, sometimes smackdowns are completely warranted. I've administered quite a few of them myself; some fairly harsh before I was tempered by moderator status. Jackasses who get smacked rarely complain to the moderators; they're not smart enough and they probably wouldn't get much sympathy anyway. In fact, most harrassment actually gets reported by third parties who are not involved at all. It is rare that "cowards" come tattling to the mod staff in hopes that we'll make the big bad bullies go away. It does happen, but usually after a pattern of harrassment and usually after the people under attack have made an attempt to ignore it or solve the problem.

Again, common sense will show the difference between friendly rivalry and serious antagonism.
 
Duke - If Flez has a go at me or I have a go at Flez... Whatever you do, do NOT take it as a personal attack. You know what sort of antics me and him get up to...
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Agreed. I have no desire to make this a stuffed-shirt, dry forum. But it can be friendlier.

A fair point. I've already covered "harmless banter" in my reply to Klos. And indeed, sometimes smackdowns are completely warranted. I've administered quite a few of them myself; some fairly harsh before I was tempered by moderator status. Jackasses who get smacked rarely complain to the moderators; they're not smart enough and they probably wouldn't get much sympathy anyway. In fact, most harrassment actually gets reported by third parties who are not involved at all. It is rare that "cowards" come tattling to the mod staff in hopes that we'll make the big bad bullies go away. It does happen, but usually after a pattern of harrassment and usually after the people under attack have made an attempt to ignore it or solve the problem.

Again, common sense will show the difference between friendly rivalry and serious antagonism.
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Ok, that answers a few Q's. In hindsight, I guess looking at it from the other persons p.o.v., this is all totally necessary. I have probably been guilty of "getting on the back" of one of the "reformed" and "reinvented" posters unfairly. So, to him i will apologise, and mend my ways in the future.

Makes one think twice about what one types.....
 
Originally posted by Mike Rotch
Makes one think twice about what one types.....
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...which is precisely the intent. This is a very good forum with the potential to be a great one. Thinking twice before posting will help that come about.
If it is in the constitution of the forum, then i have no qualms about the rules being enforced. I just hope mods take an equally firm stance against people looking for trouble by provoking, starting an argument without facts or just making thoughless and idiotic posts.
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Agreed, and as I didn't quite say before, trolls and troublemakers are fair game. Just make sure you don't violate the language rules while showing some village idiot exactly where he's wrong.
 

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