Has GT4 affected your real life driving?

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Yesterday, driving home from Oslo, I caught myself driving racing lines and speeding. I even passed a porche with my Toyota.
I eventually slowed down to my regular pace, thougt about it, and concluded with it being GT4's fault. I'll send PD my speeding tickets :)
 
Yes it has. I bet my car is wondering who it is at the wheel now!

Pete
 
I've always driven like that. Probably because I used to race go-karts and racing is in my family.
 
Only a bit. Not so much with speeding and driving 'lines', but certainly with eye/hand coordination, confidence and skill. I think it helps a lot, really. It's basically a driving theory class. Is it ultra realistic? No. Is it realistic enough to teach you a few things? Sure. The things that I've learned by playing GT1-4 I'm sure have helped me in reality. I'm a lot more comfortable getting my car a little sideways and controlling what it's gonna do now, and if something bad starts happening, I feel confident that my reaction will be fast enough to catch it before it gets too bad. The cars I drive in game are much less forgiving than what I drive in real life, so if I can save it in GT4, I'll have a much easier time saving it on the road.
 
yes, Ive lost control on 2 turns recently and was able to fully recover from them without crashing. GT4 owns my ****in face.
 
I personally never drive above the speed limit (or very rarely) because here in Montreal Canada, we often see young people crashing and ending up paralysed or dead, which is scary and does not encourage me to drive fast (especially when I see the car looking like this: http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/bad/bad555.shtml)

Why is that? I think it is because installing loud pipes or noisy air filters makes them think they're in a racing car... or even worse : it might make them think they're race car drivers.

#1 : You're not a race driver until you took courses about it or drive a LOT around tracks to develop reflexes/techniques.

#2 : Even then, you never know what the guy in front of you is going to do. What if he does not see you and switches to your lane? It's his fault, but when you find yourself in a hospital bed you don't really feel like arguing about that with your insurance company, do you?

I'd rather be bored driving my car in real life, than risking my life and my passenger's life just to get an adrenaline rush.

Does anyone agree with me or am I a weirdo here? :guilty:

P.S. I also love GTA's :P :sly:
 
GT4Mania
I personally never drive above the speed limit (or very rarely) because here in Montreal Canada, we often see young people crashing and ending up paralysed or dead, which is scary and does not encourage me to drive fast (especially when I see the car looking like this: http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/bad/bad555.shtml)

Why is that? I think it is because installing loud pipes or noisy air filters makes them think they're in a racing car... or even worse : it might make them think they're race car drivers.

#1 : You're not a race driver until you took courses about it or drive a LOT around tracks to develop reflexes/techniques.

#2 : Even then, you never know what the guy in front of you is going to do. What if he does not see you and switches to your lane? It's his fault, but when you find yourself in a hospital bed you don't really feel like arguing about that with your insurance company, do you?

I'd rather be bored driving my car in real life, than risking my life and my passenger's life just to get an adrenaline rush.

Does anyone agree with me or am I a weirdo here? :guilty:

P.S. I also love GTA's :P :sly:
I agree and disagree. Some people DO think they're race drivers when they're not, and it is dangerous. But there's a huge difference between driving fast and driving stupid. I happen to be a very good driver. I've had one wreck, due to hydroplaning (driving the speed limit oddly enough) and I managed to avoid contact with any other vehicles on the road and steered the car backwards onto the grass so as to avoid another car crashing into me. I am comfortable driving fast, and have the upmost faith in my abilities. As do my passnegers. All my friends know how I drive and they feel perfectly safe with me behind the wheel. Part of driving fast is taking into account the stupidity of other drivers. Anticipate their actions, and plan your escape if they do something stupid. It's mentally challenging, and exhausting, really. But fun.
 
Teh_Loserer
Part of driving fast is taking into account the stupidity of other drivers. Anticipate their actions, and plan your escape if they do something stupid. It's mentally challenging, and exhausting, really. But fun.

Can you really do that with enough perfection to avoid a crash? :S. Sometimes even when I drive at the speed limit someone cuts on me! 👎 This doesn't encourage me to drive any faster lol.

A Pathfinder once hit me because I was driving at speed limit and he wanted to switch to my lane... Obviously he did not see me :scared: and scraped my left frong wing.

Also, on a real race track, you don't have to concentrate on what the guy in front is going to do, because he's got to watch his mirrors. Even if he tries to cut you to avoid you passing him, it can't be as dangerous as someones who does not see you and gets in your way (correct me if I'm wrong : I've never driven on a race track but I watch a lot of race on TV :)). Even then, race drivers often get penalties for this type of thing because it's a delicate maneuver (sorry for typo).
 
GT4Mania
Can you really do that with enough perfection to avoid a crash? :S. Sometimes even when I drive at the speed limit someone cuts on me! This doesn't encourage me to drive 👎 any faster lol.

A Pathfinder once hit me because I was driving at speed limit and he wanted to switch to my lane... Obviously he did not see me :scared: and scraped my left frong wing.
Perfection? No. Absolutely not. Anyone claiming to be a perfect driver should be beaten. With skill and precision? Sure. It's a little more dangerous than driving the speed limit, sure, but in Houston if you're driving the speed limit, you're getting run over. Driving the speed limit is dangerous as well because you impede the flow of traffic. Driving with the flow of traffic is dangerous because people forget you're there. Hell, driving AT ALL here is taking your life in your hands. I'm fortunate enough to have avoided a great number of accidents due to stupid drivers. People who don't check their mirrors, people who jump in front of you just so you'll slow down, people who get mad because you passed them and do something stupid. Yes, I'm used to reacting to other drivers's stupidity, and have done it often enough that I feel confident that I can avoid an accident when I need to, if there is any way at all to do so.
 
Well, at times I find myself following close enough on highways thinking 'I can draft off the guy in front me'. What makes it worse though is I don't think it would make a whole lot of difference with my stock Civic LX...but I catch myself doing it all the time on the highway!
 
I have no problem with this because i cant drive yet :( But when i start in a few months im sure it will affect me then
 
Well, not really since I am not officially allowed to drive yet... (still three damn years... stupid germany. You are only allowed to drive a car with 18)

But when I'm sitting in the passenger seat and for examples driving with my dad to get the weekly shopping done, I can catch myself thinking along the lines "Would have been faster if he took that corner a bit tighter" and such...
 
I think GT4 can give you some basic notions of understeer and oversteer, the difference in handing between 4WD, RWD, FWD, the excelent balance of an MR car and the un-balance of an RR car! It can improve your reflexes and automate them to do opposite locks and threshold braking, etc! This has been all covered in past threads!

Teh_Loserer has got the major point in this thread. Defensive driving is going to save your life and other lifes numerous times. Try to remember that you're not alone on the public road, try to anticipate the other drivers moves and PLEASE try no to get on everybody's way. You have to think for the others, and then think for yourself when driving.

It seems that many youngsters nowadays (male and female) think that driving is just to take the car from A to B, to respect traffic rules and other drivers isn't really important.

In my case the GT series hasn't really change my way of driving on public roads, but if I go to a circuit, then I'll have much more confidence in myself ;)
 
ive only been driving for a year now. I can tell there is a huge difference of when i used to drive without ever playing gt, and now that i have played gt. I only take lines and slide a tiny bit when NO one is around

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once i felt pretty cool but dumb at the same time, this truck was f-ing with me on this wide road with turns. Even though his car is possibly 1.5 x faster than mine, i still out ran him, cuz i knew how to handle my car vs its equipment (stock) and took tight turns and etc. It was a "dumb kid" moment cuz u should never take turns like that through traffic (there was no one else around, except way behind me 👍 )
 
Does GT rouse people's interest in going fast? Sure. Need an outlet? The answer is not driving wrecklessly on the street, but going to real sanctioned events like autocrosses and drag races where you can cut loose.

They want to get it off the street and onto the track where it belongs. You can take your car to the races for as little as $10-20. Most people never go because they have no idea how cheap it is. They watch racing on TV and assume that since they don't have a multimillion dollar budget, they can only race on the street.

Driving fast on the street really loses its luster after you've been diving into hairpins from 130mph on a real track. Real events are a much better outlet for the urge, both in terms of safety and in truly satisfying that urge.


As for the question of drivers who think they are race drivers on the street... the way I see it, the main problem there is that they haven't crashed yet (or haven't learned from crashing). They think they know where the line is. They think they know how far they can push it without losing it. But the reality is, you don't know where the line is until you've crossed it several times.

The best way to fix this is to do some autocrossing... where you can totally lose it and spin out in total safety. In this form of racing, you are expected to push it hard. In fact, it is said that if you aren't spinning out every so often, you aren't pushing as hard as you should be.


As a result of RL racing, I don't usually drive all that fast on the street. I do drive in a spirited fashion sometimes when the conditions allow. I am much better able to judge what those conditions are than someone who's never been to a track. In fact, that's the real issue. It's not speed that's dangerous, but inappropriate speed.

I find that when I'm a passenger with some of my friends, I tend to cringe a lot. Because they're not really speeding or anything... but... they're in danger, and they don't know it. The traffic laws are written to protect people from their own inability to judge what speed is appropriate for the situation (due to lack of training and experience). They have to write it to the lowest common denominator. But sometimes even that isn't low enough. And, of course, a lot of times you could go much faster and still be totally safe. So that just encourages people to go faster all the time, blissfully unaware of the times when they need to slow down.

All of my friends who drive minivans are the worst about this. _I_ can feel how close the vehicle is to its edge even when driving at the speed limit around a turn. They can not. Feels fine and normal to them. I cringe all the time, and they think I'm silly. "What's wrong with you? I thought you liked going fast?" How can I explain to them that they're close enough to the edge that an irregularity in the road could throw them into a spin and a crash into the trees? And then at other times, they may go through some turn much faster, and I'm totally fine with it. I think they can go faster still without any danger. They just don't have the ability to hear what the vehicle is saying to them. And whenever they go over the edge and lose it, they're shocked and didn't see it coming at all. As far as they're concerned, the car just lost it without any cause when they weren't even speeding.

What gets me the most is how fast people drive in parking lots. I get people getting all irritated at me for 'driving too slow' in a parking lot. They expect the sports car to drive wrecklessly, I guess. Of all the places where you could cut loose and go fast, the crowded parking lot is by far the stupidest. Ever notice how many accidents there are in parking lots? There's just no excuse for that. It's just retarded and senseless. I mean... geezus people! It's a freaking parking lot. You must really have no outlet for your speed demon _at all_ if you can't slow down for even a few seconds there.

I also get run over by mother's in their minivans when I actually do slow to 25mph when children are present. I savor that irony. I think it's hillarious when I've got a mother honking at me trying to encourage me to ignore the 25mph speed limit and run over their kid they're coming to pick up.

And then these same people think I'm being crazy when I cut loose a little on an empty express way in the middle of the night.

Sheesh.

Also, on a real race track, you don't have to concentrate on what the guy in front is going to do, because he's got to watch his mirrors. Even if he tries to cut you to avoid you passing him, it can't be as dangerous as someones who does not see you and gets in your way (correct me if I'm wrong : I've never driven on a race track but I watch a lot of race on TV ). Even then, race drivers often get penalties for this type of thing because it's a delicate maneuver (sorry for typo).
Ha ha ha!!! That's rich! You'd like to think that, wouldn't you. :)

In reality, you have to watch out _even more_. The drivers on the track are generally better than drivers on the street, but not always. There are retards out there, too. Plus, the concentration of the car ahead of you is probably on the hairpin they're approaching at over 100mph... not the guy behind them. And if it's not, it should be.

And then there's the 'red haze' that comes down over their vision and causes them to do horribly aggressive and overly dangerous things when they think they're going to be passed.

In reality, it takes considerable skill and discipline to pass and be passed safely. Much more so than driving on a freeway. :)

Well, at times I find myself following close enough on highways thinking 'I can draft off the guy in front me'. What makes it worse though is I don't think it would make a whole lot of difference with my stock Civic LX...but I catch myself doing it all the time on the highway!
Oie! Don't do that!!! That's amazingly wreckless! And pointless at the same time. There is no draft at those speeds. You're just putting yourself and the cars around you in danger.

And besides... if you ever ended up behind me... I brake check tailgaters HARD. I consider it one of my missions to show people that what they're doing is, in fact, very dangerous and stupid. I like making them spill their hot coffee all over themselves in a panic when they realize suddenly that they can't stop nearly fast enough with only 2 meters of following distance.

In my corvette, I can slam the brake hard, make them panic, and then get on the gas again to get right back to speed without even coming close to actual contact. But for a moment, the car behind me is sure they're about to have a collision. I really aught to get a rear mounted camera... the flailing arms are just priceless.

I mean... I can't see the logic of tailgating in the first place. And tailgating a freakin sports car that has big @ss brakes and wide sticky tires is just retarded.

- Skant
 
I don't tailgate! I'm not stupid.......I keep a safe distance between me and those in front of me in case I need to swerve out of the way.....

I do the same as you with tailgaters except I just slow down...my car is not fast enough for stop and go!
 
Had some moments when I do something like I should be playing the game.

Came sideways into the garage at work one time. It has a very narrow entrance, and I just "wtf are you doing! Narrow!!". It was on snow, but I still couldn`t belive what I just did. It is not very cool to crash into a wall at work. Was playing waay to much GT3 the night before.

Was driving a BMW 325IX(the one with 4 wheel drive). Very fun car on snow!
 
skant
It's not speed that's dangerous, but inappropriate speed.
That sums it up right there. For those of you who aren't driving yet, please, for the sake of us that have been for a while...understand that you're new to real driving when you do finally get behind the wheel. Accept that you're inexperienced and take it slow. You kinda chuckle at people who play Need for Speed when they get on GT4 and slam into walls, we shake our heads and mourn for people who do it in real life. Same principle. GT4 and real driving are two entirely different animals. Let GT4 teach you THEORY not practice. Skill (and speed) come with time. I'm 25 years old. I've been driving since 15. I learned to drive in Houston traffic. (For those who don't know, Houston is notorious for lunatic drivers and is the largest and 4th most populous city in the States.) I've learned a lot, and learned really quick. Trial by fire, if you will. And I well understand that I have more still to learn. As skant said, take it to the track a few times. AutoX is fun as hell, and if you got a sporty car, the SCCA has a class for you. Meet some people, get some pointers. It's the safest way to keep your car and your body in one piece.
 
i'll catch myself doing driving lines.. on curvy roads anyways[and on a specific 2 onramps to the freeway.. both have a left and right turn going up-hill] as far as the speed goes.. i think polyphony took that into perspective, because there isn't really a sensation of speed in that game... I, personally don't go faster than 70mph[california speed limit is 65 in most places, 70 in long stretches with no exits], unless everyone else is.. and i mean everyone.. not just the left lane.. i also agree that there is a difference between driving stupid and driving fast.. although it unfortunately comes in both fast AND stupid depending on the driver [ie: teenage-ricer swerving through traffic, cause he thinks he's going to get ahead of everyone.. 5 mins later you see him stuck behind a truck] ...

but yeah, its changed my awareness as a driver, i'm always watching my rear view mirror, watching for someone coming up behind me WAY too fast etc

edit: as far as wrecks go.. i've had someone follow me for 10-15 miles and try to KNOCK ME out of my lane, i dont even know WHY he started following me, but it was a green toyota tacoma, his rear quarter hit my front quarter... and was there for a few seconds, then he changed lanes & i called the insurance ppl to report a hit & run once i got to school.... i remember thinking afterwards, if i had sped up just then, he would've been spinning.. :scared:

--susan
 
I doubt it will affect me. I drive in thin strips called... - - lanes - -, I don't enter a turn from the right most side of the road and end up using speed to my advantage on a ninety degree turn to end up on the left side of the road. There's no real out-in-out, drift technique, etc. when I'm driving. Not really anyway. I don't drive on race tracks or closed/private tracks, therefore, this game has no affect on my driving... at all. I'm just as confident and what not as I was before purchasing the game. Come on people, you should consider a difference between reality and a game.
 
My "real life" car is a Mitsubishi FTO GPX (modded to 216bhp). I have the exact same car in GT4.
In essence I think the game gives me a greater sense of what not to do in my car cos understearing into a barrier in the game costs nothing, where as misjudging a turn in real life could be fatal.
If anything I think the game has made me more carefull (oh....and the journey to my parents house used to take 1hr 35mins, it now take 1hr 15mins. Thanks PD !)
:)

Ben
 
Well, I lost my licence before driving GT for speeding...now I have a perfect driving record, but also still speed like crazy, maybe I am just more aware of cops hideouts / radar traps...havent' got caught in 5 years ! Still drive home everyday @ about 160 km/h...
 
i stay in my lane.. i wont go outside it .. EVAR .. thats just stupid, my dad does that.... and i cant figure out why.. :scared:
 
What makes me cringe is the fact that some of the people replying think they are being sensible when the opposite is true, why brake check someone at all? A mis-judgement on their part by getting too close to you could result in an accident involving an innocent party by your actions, forcing them into panic braking and "flailing arms" could mean them losing control and hitting some family driving carefully, while you smugly accelerate away denying responsibility with your " they shouldn't have tail-gated me."
As for having the utmost faith in your own ability, you should always leave margin for error, and then some, expect the unexpected. If you really believe that GT4 has improved your reactions, good, if you believe it has improved your driving, especially at speed, you need to back off, it's just a game and if games have an effect on you, don't go playing manhunt anytime soon.
 
I still drive like how I suppose to, always following the rules. :)
 
After a good session of drifting or racing around, I find that my driving style gets a little speedy. I got given the notice by my insurance company a couple weeks ago sayin "one more ticket, and we won't renew your insurance". YAY! :guilty:
 
SRV2LOW4ME
After a good session of drifting or racing around, I find that my driving style gets a little speedy. I got given the notice by my insurance company a couple weeks ago sayin "one more ticket, and we won't renew your insurance". YAY! :guilty:

Does your insurance company pay your speeding tickets, or do you call them each time and confess????
 
Ill say no. Ive never been an aggresive driver. Sure Ive had some stupid moments on my part, but Ive grown out of that. Living in southern california....I rarely get out of 3rd gear with all the traffic. :yuck: Plus its really strict around here if your driving fast or like a jerk.

I grew up at a race track, and my dad work for the Fire/ Saftey crew for the NHRA. Ive seen so many injurys/death at the track....and those cars are preped to go fast. From growing up at a racetrack for 25 years, Ive learned that keeping it on the track is the only way. Never got into street racing and I think its foolish. I do respect those who take enough responsibility to pay out of their own pocket to go to a school that will teach them how to drive if they love driving fast.

Just keep the powerslides/drifting/ speeding/weaving in and out of traffic off the road please.

sorry....end rant. :crazy:
 
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