Has there been an unannounced physics update?

[Mr P]

Ok so I tried the N300 Evora @ Nurb after another driver Amaru tells me it's pretty horrible to drive today, so I had a couple of attempted laps and it really does drive like a canal barge now and also the place where you start your lap on the Nurb has changed. I don't like the way the Evora drives now it's horrible compared to last time we done n300 Nurb!

I also tried some laps in the GT-R at Brands and there's a definite change there also.. It's like the front end doesn't have a lot of downforce and simple maneuvers are totally exaggerated compared to how the car has driven previously 👎

I downloaded no patch and saw no info from PD to say they have updated anything today? so have they updated the server with new physics and tried to pull the wool over our eyes by not telling us and seeing how we cope with it? because it ain't working and the feedback from my wheel trying to take the tight turns whilst braking is clunking so bad that people on the street can probably hear it as they walk by my house, Has anyone noticed this already and if they have and there is a discussion regarding these changes?
I did look but couldn't find one and will delete this thread if that is the case 👍

 

[Johnnypenso]

Ok so I tried the N300 Evora @ Nurb after another driver Amaru tells me it's pretty horrible to drive today, so I had a couple of attempted laps and it really does drive like a canal barge now and also the place where you start your lap on the Nurb has changed. I don't like the way the Evora drives now it's horrible compared to last time we done n300 Nurb!

I also tried some laps in the GT-R at Brands and there's a definite change there also.. It's like the front end doesn't have a lot of downforce and simple maneuvers are totally exaggerated compared to how the car has driven previously 👎

I downloaded no patch and saw no info from PD to say they have updated anything today? so have they updated the server with new physics and tried to pull the wool over our eyes by not telling us and seeing how we cope with it? because it ain't working and the feedback from my wheel trying to take the tight turns whilst braking is clunking so bad that people on the street can probably hear it as they walk by my house, Has anyone noticed this already and if they have and there is a discussion regarding these changes?
I did look but couldn't find one and will delete this thread if that is the case 👍

The physics aren't on the server, they're on your PS4. There have been changes to the physics through the updates through the game that you have downloaded. That's probably what you're referring to.

 

[Amaru]

@Johnnypenso I understand your point of view but you're mistaken in my opinion in this case. Explain how the N300 starting position of a qualifying lap has been relocated from halfway the long straight until just before the bridge at the end of the straight (without a patch being released).

Something has definitely changed overnight.

Since patch 1.06 the beta loads a save-file from
An online server (your progress is saved online, not on your system).

Clients can get updated via a server without the need of downloading an actual patch. Even cars, tracks, and physics can be adjusted remotely as long as the server uploads these small tweaks to it's clients. In this case when you start up the Beta.

I've been driving the beta for 5hours a day -at least- I have 5000km on my TTS of which 4000km on the nordschleife, perhaps 2000km of those after 1.06 was released. Trust me when I tell you something has changed, I don't know what but something has changed... I have 5 setups for my TTS for the nordschleife, these varry my laptime from 8:13.3 to 8:20.5. Not one of these worked last night!

 

[NixxxoN]

In GT6 car handlng changes depending on track conditions, track temperature and also fuel loads.... not sure if this could be the case.

 

[Amaru]

In GT6 car handlng changes depending on track conditions, track temperature and also fuel loads.... not sure if this could be the case.

There's only one track condition in the beta, hot&sunny. If it was up to me we'd only have heavy rain on the Nordschleife lol. I prefer racing in wet conditions and If possible at night. (24hr enduro style).

 

[sems4arsenal]

I too thought the start of the Nurburgring has changed. Will gather more thoughts today.

 

[NixxxoN]

There's only one track condition in the beta, hot&sunny. If it was up to me we'd only have heavy rain on the Nordschleife lol. I prefer racing in wet conditions and If possible at night. (24hr enduro style).

Night and heavy rain in the norschleife? Plus the limited visibility in the cockpit view? You surely like to punish yourself.

 

[Amaru]

*edit: double post - I can't seem to find the option to delete a post via my smartphone.

 

[Amaru]

Last week the N300 started both qualifying and the actual races at this exact position: "Assetto Corsa trackday start" (the spot mid-way the long straight where you drive onto the Nordschleife If you participate in a Real-life trackday).

Night and heavy rain in the norschleife? Plus the limited visibility in the cockpit view? You surely like to punish yourself.

The bigger the challenge the more I like it. Oh, all driving assists off - including ABS.

 

[NixxxoN]

The bigger the challenge the more I like it. Oh, all driving assists off - including ABS.

I still suggest you to abandon the cockpit view because the visibility is bad, much worse than real life.

 

[Amaru]

I still suggest you to abandon the cockpit view because the visibility is bad, much worse than real life.

I do not use cockpit view on the nordschleife. I used it on the GR.3 Blue Moon Bay Speedway and that view enabled me to get a clean optimal lap time of 41.888 (0.075) faster than p1 on the EU leaderboard and my pb of 42.005 which gave me #3.

It all depends on preference. I'm a lot faster with cockpit view on some tracks and in some cars. The limited visibility is no problem for me when I know a track inside-out.

I've used cockpit view throughout every racing game I ever played because when you drive the real thing, you can't select bumperview, roofview, etc...

 

[diesel97]

I still suggest you to abandon the cockpit view because the visibility is bad, much worse than real life.

Have you ever considered that not everyone likes to driving from a helicopter view or can't drive as well in that view.

 

[eran0004]

I still suggest you to abandon the cockpit view because the visibility is bad, much worse than real life.

How is it worse than real life?

 

[NixxxoN]

I do not use cockpit view on the nordschleife. I used it on the GR.3 Blue Moon Bay Speedway and that view enabled me to get a clean optimal lap time of 41.888 (0.075) faster than p1 on the EU leaderboard and my pb of 42.005 which gave me #3.

It all depends on preference. I'm a lot faster with cockpit view on some tracks and in some cars. The limited visibility is no problem for me when I know a track inside-out.

I've used cockpit view throughout every racing game I ever played because when you drive the real thing, you can't select bumperview, roofview, etc...

Surely it can work well for you when you are a lone on track, but I say so because of your other video, you had clear problems of seeing the positions of the other cars, you hit other cars quite often.

Have you ever considered that not everyone likes to driving from a helicopter view or can't drive as well in that view.

Yes I did. Have you considered I wanted to give a suggestion to him?

How is it worse than real life?

Your viewing angle is far more limited, and the "resolution" on the mirrors is ridiculously bad compared to a mirror in real life.

 

[Amaru]

@NixxxoN; I couldn't reply in the thread that got closed so I'll reply here in stead real quick because I couldn't "defend" myself against your "accusation" hehe.



Here's your quote:
"Sorry to say dude, but yourself are not so clean, you the other drivers lots of times.
Here's a hint for you, use chase cam instead of cockpit view , because cockpit view has bad visibility and you are definitely struggling with it."

Here's my reply: that guy used my car as a brake into T1, I had ALL driving assists off, even ABS and I was trying to recover from the crash he caused - you say I'm not clean myself and I should change view because I'm struggling with it.

The leaderboards prove you wrong. #3 at the end of the week and an optimal lap time that would have put me in #1.

Me not driving clean? A gentle tap against the rear-bumper is a part of racing on oval, using the guy in front of you as a brake, that has got nothing to do with racing. Slowing down and letting yourself get lapped so you can bang the leader of the race into the wall, has got nothing to do with racing.

Ask @Mysteron71 if I'm a dirty racer or trying to drive like a gentleman, he's seen more of my live streams than anyone else probably.

Apologies to moderators for replying in here to a comment out of a different thread but I think NixxxoN mis-interpreted that video completely.

Moving on.

PS: sidenote; chase cam is horrible, I refuse to drive like this, it's too easy.

 

[eran0004]

Your viewing angle is far more limited, and the "resolution" on the mirrors is ridiculously bad compared to a mirror in real life.

But the angle is limited in all views and you don't need ultra high resolution to spot a car in the mirror.

 

[NixxxoN]

@NixxxoN; I couldn't reply in the thread that got closed so I'll reply here in stead real quick because I couldn't "defend" myself against your "accusation" hehe.



Here's your quote:
"Sorry to say dude, but yourself are not so clean, you the other drivers lots of times.
Here's a hint for you, use chase cam instead of cockpit view , because cockpit view has bad visibility and you are definitely struggling with it."

Here's my reply: that guy used my car as a brake into T1, I had ALL driving assists off, even ABS and I was trying to recover from the crash he caused - you say I'm not clean myself and I should change view because I'm struggling with it.

The leaderboards prove you wrong. #3 at the end of the week and an optimal lap time that would have put me in #1.

Me not driving clean? A gentle tap against the rear-bumper is a part of racing on oval, using the guy in front of you as a brake, that has got nothing to do with racing. Slowing down and letting yourself get lapped so you can bang the leader of the race into the wall, has got nothing to do with racing.

Ask @Mysteron71 if I'm a dirty racer or trying to drive like a gentleman, he's seen more of my live streams than anyone else probably.

Apologies to moderators for replying in here to a comment out of a different thread but I think NixxxoN mis-interpreted that video completely.

Moving on.

PS: sidenote; chase cam is horrible, I refuse to drive like this, it's too easy.

I dont know if you didnt notice but when turning you stepped into the line of other cars often, cars that you didnt see properly because they were alongside you.
Dont take it badly, its just an honest friendly opinion

 

[sems4arsenal]

The ring starting position has changed, no doubt about it. Not noticing much of a physics change.

 

[Amaru]

I dont know if you didnt notice but when turning you stepped into the line of other cars often, cars that you didnt see properly because they were alongside you.
Dont take it badly, its just an honest friendly opinion

No worries I know it's a friendly opinion, so is mine. It just happens that we have a different view of the situation.

Imo it's called close racing, unlike the other dude I did not
wreck anyone's race. My line on BMBS is faster than the ideal line the GTS driving markers suggest you to follow.

I tried to keep it as clean as possible, without losing time, if I see a gap on the inside or outside line I will go for that gap, otherwise there's no point in even starting a race. The red sportsmanship rating at the end of this race is the first red rating I've been given since halfway may...

"Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose." RIP Ayrton.

Edit: during this race it would've been a different story If my VW VGT had a rearview mirror/display tho

 

[MadMax]

if I see a gap on the inside or outside line I will go for that gap, otherwise there's no point in even starting a race. The red sportsmanship rating at the end of this race is the first red rating I've been given since halfway may...

"Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose." RIP Ayrton.

The quote every dirty/aggressive driver/gamer brings up at some point when defending him/herself.

Choose your quotes carefully.



MadMax

 

[Amaru]

The quote every dirty/aggressive driver/gamer brings up at some point when defending him/herself.

Choose your quotes carefully.



MadMax

You're 100% correct - If you're referring to technical tracks like the nordschleife, Suzuka, but you're 100% wrong when it comes to high speed tracks like an oval where people do not know the optimal line around the oval.

In that case I will dive into an opening. It's a case of judging and timing your move. I think Senna would laugh at your reply.

 

[KING OF SKULLS]

You're 100% correct - If you're referring to technical tracks like the nordschleife, Suzuka, but you're 100% wrong when it comes to high speed tracks like an oval where people do not know the optimal line around the oval.

In that case I will dive into an opening. It's a case of judging and timing your move. I think Senna would laugh at your reply.

First you lost your thread, because

we don't do naming and shaming on GTPlanet

and now you pulled the conversation over here??!!, although this thread is obvious another topic.

 

[Amaru]

First you lost your thread, because
and now you pulled the conversation over here??!!, although this thread is obvious another topic.

That wasn't my intention. You're right, apologies for going off-topic.

To get back on-topic; any other changes noticed by anyone concerning where exactly the races start? (I haven't raced in today's races, watching Le Mans ).

 

[Johnnypenso]

You're 100% correct - If you're referring to technical tracks like the nordschleife, Suzuka, but you're 100% wrong when it comes to high speed tracks like an oval where people do not know the optimal line around the oval.

In that case I will dive into an opening. It's a case of judging and timing your move. I think Senna would laugh at your reply.

In sim racing we call diving into an opening a divebomb in most cases. It's highly frowned upon by clean racers.

 

[Mr P]

Wow this thread took an unexpected turn eh? I honestly posted this query regarding the wheel feedback experiences I had last night and the physics have certainly changed or my wheel is broken

On the other subject... I watch Amaru's livestream most days whilst chilling and he is intentionally a clean racer, Yeah he has the odd moment where he clips someone in a tight battle and will usually hold back for them and they continue, or the rare situation where some lunatic will smash into his car to get past him and he might teach him a lesson on the way past him again! These incidents are pretty rare as I said and seems to me that most of the races I see on his live stream are good clean races with no intentional dirty driving 👍

So back on subject it seems that nobody is really noticing and differences? Not even wondering why the top times at Nurb are a few seconds slower than the identical event released just over a week ago after 1.06 update? the top time was still in the 8'09's after 1.06 .. but not anymore 8'13.3 is the best in EU now

Ah well.. I just wanted to see some possible answers to what might be happening? 👍 Take it easy guys! I'm off to open my wheel and see why it's decided to give up the ghost 👍

 

[Outspacer]

Thread sideways through the karussel, I'd say!

@Johnnypenso I understand your point of view but you're mistaken in my opinion in this case. Explain how the N300 starting position of a qualifying lap has been relocated from halfway the long straight until just before the bridge at the end of the straight (without a patch being released).

Something has definitely changed overnight.

This could easily be a parameter of the event, and of course the event is from the server.

Since patch 1.06 the beta loads a save-file from
An online server (your progress is saved online, not on your system).

Clients can get updated via a server without the need of downloading an actual patch. Even cars, tracks, and physics can be adjusted remotely as long as the server uploads these small tweaks to it's clients. In this case when you start up the Beta.

I've been driving the beta for 5hours a day -at least- I have 5000km on my TTS of which 4000km on the nordschleife, perhaps 2000km of those after 1.06 was released. Trust me when I tell you something has changed, I don't know what but something has changed... I have 5 setups for my TTS for the nordschleife, these varry my laptime from 8:13.3 to 8:20.5. Not one of these worked last night!

Did it change back tonight? Because it feels exactly the same to me - just got 8:17.813 in the TTS, which is near as damnit the same as the 8:17.756 I had just over a week ago. I didn't try it last night.

So back on subject it seems that nobody is really noticing and differences? Not even wondering why the top times at Nurb are a few seconds slower than the identical event released just over a week ago after 1.06 update? the top time was still in the 8'09's after 1.06 .. but not anymore 8'13.3 is the best in EU now

End of that week I wasn't even close to top 10, and starting 5th/6th on the grid. Now I'm 5th in the top 10... so more a case of a bunch of quick drivers not setting times this weekend, I thought.

 

[OdeFinn]

There has been at least one hotfix on 1.06, came in week after original 1.06. Not surprised if there's more than that pushed out after it.
PD pushes hotfix when they want, every time you start your GTS it will check hotfixes from PD server, exactly same as GT5/6 did, only difference was those were released games and PD informed you on start when it downloaded hotfix, on beta they don't have to inform you, just applying hotfix and life goes on.

Original 1.06 evora banged my wheel on first minor turn of it, reporting ~0.01% slip on front tires, now it's clanking wheel after 10% understeer slip on front (percentages are just for measurement, not actual).
Couldn't do a single full lap on Nordschleife with original 1.06, now it's not so bad (or few days ago), but bad still and I'm driving lap/week currently due that bad FFB feel.

 

[gtracedriver1]

In a interview Kaz said beta might get 1 or may be another update and it will be till August. Usually from beta to retail version there is a change in gameplay so the controls, physics and all other area like gfx, sound, bugs etc will be improved.

 

[kjeldsen]

Ok so I tried the N300 Evora @ Nurb after another driver Amaru tells me it's pretty horrible to drive today, so I had a couple of attempted laps and it really does drive like a canal barge now and also the place where you start your lap on the Nurb has changed. I don't like the way the Evora drives now it's horrible compared to last time we done n300 Nurb!

I also tried some laps in the GT-R at Brands and there's a definite change there also.. It's like the front end doesn't have a lot of downforce and simple maneuvers are totally exaggerated compared to how the car has driven previously 👎

I downloaded no patch and saw no info from PD to say they have updated anything today? so have they updated the server with new physics and tried to pull the wool over our eyes by not telling us and seeing how we cope with it? because it ain't working and the feedback from my wheel trying to take the tight turns whilst braking is clunking so bad that people on the street can probably hear it as they walk by my house, Has anyone noticed this already and if they have and there is a discussion regarding these changes?
I did look but couldn't find one and will delete this thread if that is the case 👍

No doubt they changed something, GR3 on Nurnberg last night was like a new game., slippery like never before. It did seem as if there was a subtle Assist enabled no matter what, that was either removed or tweaked. I also got the impression that even the slightest touch with another car would finally have consequences, for both cars.
I am a fan, it was almost too easy before.

 

[Imari]

I think Senna would laugh at your reply.

Maybe, but Senna was an unholy :censored:hole on the track. This is the dude that intentionally crashed his opponent out in the first corner so that he could win a championship.

Senna, and that quote in particular, should never be used to try and claim legitimate racing behaviour because it originated from such a colossally foul racing move that the whole thing is tainted. If you want to claim that you're being aggressive but fair, choose a driver that actually behaved like that when it mattered.