Has there been an unannounced physics update?

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  1. TenEightyOne

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    Absolutely - that's why real racers drive by remote from a roof-level chair mounted just behind the rear wing.
     
  2. NixxxoN

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    Not going to defend Senna for that, but Prost did the same thing to him the year before (at Suzuka also), so its more about Senna vs Prost bitter rivalry rather than something Senna generaly did to any driver

    This is not about real racing though, its a game, dont forget it. If you can't see properly with cockpit view, use another cam. It will be good for you and your opponents.
    (not necessarily the chase cam, there are other views too, if you forgot)
     
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  3. Well he's been told a million times by a million people who use cockpit view when defending PDI for having blacked out cockpits.
    Rivalry makes zero difference to what he did. Just because Senna said something it doesn't make it true or right.
     
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    Read again what I posted... I'm just pointing out that Senna had one on track behavior vs Prost, and another vs the rest.
     
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    And back to the possible physics update.
     
  6. Haitauer

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    Theres few things they can change easily without update. Tires, bop - weight balance for instance and possible driving aids we dont have control over yet. Also possible they have saved driving aid like options for them selves to control balance of the game/ physics/bop. ie. "Skid recovery force" could easily be gradually adjustable instead of on/off.

    Have to try the game.. Though i havent been driving for few days now.
     
  7. GordonS

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    I tried. It's about two weeks last time I drove. My TTS Audi didn't give any hard feelings. Quite a normal feel now, a bit floaty. What surprised me was the Genesis. It was the first time I attacked with it. With quick tuning I blew my Audi time in the first lap. I love the Genesis now!
     
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    Hmm. GR.3 feeling more slippery? Can't wait to test them at the nordschleife. I haven't turned on GTS so far this weekend tho, I'll boot up GTS in a lil bit & have a look at the current events for upcoming Monday-Friday.
     
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    sorry but a fair amount of people race cockpit mode and in real you cannot see around you like in chase mode
     
  10. Johnnypenso

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    Does anyone here record their best lap times in certain cars? It should be easy enough to run some cars and test your current times vs. your previous results rather than guessing or going by feel. I can't remember the number of times people suggested some kind of hidden physics changes in GT6 when I was doing the update threads and I don't think it ever proved to be true, just placebo or lack of understanding in most cases.
     
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    To be fair hot lapping by yourself really isn't the same as driving in traffic trying to see around you
     
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    We can only test and eliminate those variables we can control. If hotlaps are roughly the same it means there have been no major changes to physics or hidden driving aids. If the cars still "feel" different it could be some adjustment to FFB or relatively minor changes to the physics that don't affect lap times.
     
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    My bad I thought you were talking about different views being faster/ advantage. Back to physics.
     
  14. Coiler

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    Its something going on for sure. After 1.06 I could use the R8 on the ring with ease (TC on 0)and today i could throw my setup trough the window... could not even do the first section of the ring without a spin or slip off :/
     
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    Hmm.. My first impressions of gr3 458 at Brands is the car feels more "active". Like the car feels more swaying on/off grip at the limit and more accurate weight shifting. :odd: then again might be placebo. Id put this over weight shifting or tire model..

    Has the understeer ffb effect been fixed now or before?

    Here is a little video to explain. First the little hesitation sway back and forth after turn in isnt me.. I guess. I think theres more of this type of swaying in general. Then as i drop the wheel on grass the car starts to spin and even if its rather slow spin im not quite able to catch it. But mark what happens as the front wheel come back on track at the end. One can clearly see how the yaw changes and turns the rear more over. Dont have any comparison from earlier, but it feels a bit different..



    Here also. Looks like the slide begins softly, but then builds yaw momemtum more violently than before?



    And what happens here? Front regains grip and pulls the car to the wall.. :odd:


    Cars feel more unstable in a good way.. and i seem to struggle more to get the same reaction/response from the car under braking/acceleration everytime. :odd: for example the first two corners at Brands are a lot less consistent from lap to lap..
     
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    Yes, hotlaps, preferably on short tracks. Other cars only complicate it, unless you're looking for changes in aero/drafting. BHI is perfect, because you get to know every inch of it. I tested the GTR on there last night, couldn't feel any difference and got to pretty much my old optimal time within a few laps. Anyway, that's the objective side of it, times.

    Subjectively, it's difficult to say. I mean, it's strange that Amaru thinks there's a difference with the TTS whereas I don't. We both have many km on the TTS/'ring combi.

    I have far fewer miles on Gr 3 cars, and anyway much more spread out over multiple cars. We've had so many weeks of ovals for them, it's depressing. At least we have BHGP this week, but I think last time we had that combo was 1.05.
     
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    Well we have to separate physics changes which affect all cars, and changes to the individual car parameters. I would expect PD should be tweaking the cars on a regular basis based on the massive database they now have of qualifying lap times.
     
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    So you think it might be tune dependant? Could be. I was using Praiano's for TTS/'ring and McBride's for the Gr4 GT-R/BHI - I'm probably not alone in that, but I believe Amaru was using a different tune for the TTS.
     
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    It could be but if it's confined to a single car or a few cars it could be PD messing with the car parameters to even up the BoP. If they are using the same type of setup as GT5/6, you can tweak a grip multiplier up or down in each car behind the scenes and it'll affect overall grip levels.
     
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    GR.4 GTR felt the same when I drove it a couple of hours ago around the nordschleife as it did last week. Same laptime as I drove last week. 7'25-7'29, 7'25 being my optimal time out of a 3 lap stint.

    N300 (TTS in my case) felt very, very different on an unaltered setup in comparison with last week; my nordschleife laptime of last week 8'19.xxx +15seconds: 8'34.xxx. TTS has been altered I have no doubt about it.
     
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    We need other people to conduct similar tests with the Audi.
     
  22. Imari

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    No, the Senna/Prost crash in 1989 was more along the lines of a racing incident that went horribly wrong. Senna made a dive, Prost refused to give room, they both lost out. Senna got screwed in that situation by the FIA choosing to randomly throw the rule book at him for essentially no good reason. Without that, the incident would be described as a poor but understandable decision in the heat of the moment by Prost. Hardly comparable to planning before the start to either be first or to simply drive through your opponent, injuries or death be damned.

    Likewise, in 1990 Senna was furious with a whole bunch of FIA ridiculousness that was going on that weekend that was seriously biased against him. And so instead of taking it out on the FIA he chose to crash Prost out and risk both their lives.

    I don't care if that's something he generally did. Once is far too much. I don't get away with randomly pushing people off a bridge to win a marathon because I only did it once. Senna could have killed Prost, over a car race. That was his mentality, as he made very clear. That is not something to be proud of. Worse, his problem wasn't even really with Prost. It was with the FIA and their endless shenanigans.

    Look up Hitoshi Ogawa, Suzuka 1992. A very similar crash in F3000 cars. Hitoshi Ogawa died. That's two years later, in the same spot that Senna crashed Prost out. I won't post a video here because it will contain death.

    It's not about the Senna/Prost rivalry. It's about Senna not having the brains to realise that his beef was with the FIA rather than Prost, and the lack of common decency to realise that while car racing may have been his life it probably wasn't worth becoming a murderer for.

    Sorry for the massive off-topic, but too many people idolise Senna for that one move, possibly the worst move he ever made. You might as well praise James Thomas Hodgkinson for the strength of his beliefs. IMO, if you're intentionally putting other people's lives in danger then you lose all respect. I don't care if you have the best car control on the planet. If you can't control yourself enough to know when to stop before you kill someone, everyone would be better off if you simply weren't in the game at all.

    Not really, no. He was notoriously aggressive to the point of being kinda dirty. He crashed just about everyone that raced with him.



    His behaviour with Prost was the same as with the rest, it's just that Prost was one of the few drivers that was actually able to match him for speed.
     
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    The crash of Hitoshi Ogawa cant be compared, they were going at full speed from the start of the straight, coming from the chicane, whereas for Senna vs Prost incident, they were not going at full speed as it was the very first lap, it was the start and they started in the middle of the straight, speed was much lower. I doubt senna would've done that in any other situation.
     
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    Sorry, I didn't mean that you had altered your tune, just that I thought you were using a different one to me. I don't doubt what you report, but that's your TTS, whereas mine seemed unchanged. 15 seconds is a huge delta.

    That difference between our TTSs could be our best clue so far as to what's going on, and rules out any change to basic universal things like grip levels or BoP, I think, and also probably can't be due to the event parameters. It could be a bug (in the save?). If there has been a silent hotfix then it could be anything, but trying to resolve min/max tunes being fastest is a fairly likely thing that they might do.
     
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    I always use TCS (and a controller) and my best on Nurnburg was a 7:03 with a M3, exact same car i struggled to get around without hitting everything. I then took a setup from here and it went much better, but still far away from a 7:03. And i noticed that TCS was set to Zero on one of my races...

    Anyway, i rarely post here, answers are almost here when i look for them. However, is it typical that totally Of Topic posts are kept in a thread like this?
    Why aren't they removed?
     
  26. dolande

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    There's a video with jackie stewart interviewing Senna about this behaviour,
     
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    @Outspacer yeah, I'm not using Praiano's tune anymore. I was a lot faster on the current tune than on his TTS tune. Not anymore tho, lol.

    I'll drive Praiano's tune next time N300 Nordschleife appears.
     
  28. sems4arsenal

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    Yesterday I drove my Evora and raced at Dragon trail. Felt the same, no noticeable changes at all. The Rocco Gr.4 exhibited the same behavior as well.

    No tests on the GT3 cars yet, but post 1.06 -- they still had the tendency for the back to step out when exiting a corner (off camber ones especially).
     
  29. WheelmanSteve

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    Hadn't played in about a week. Ran a few laps at the Ring last night- TTS, Genesis, Evora, Megane, all on "known" good setups for me. None of them felt right. Either grip has gotten worse, or I just didn't remember how bad the tires are in N300. Not enjoyable. Decided not to fight it. Ran the GT4 Ginetta at Hockenheim in that other game and had a blast.
     
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