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So my friend is talking about a freind of his who apparently got a Ford RS200. I know those are sporty, but I heard that this is some rally version with 450 hp thaqt can do 60 in 2.1 seconds. I never thought this was true, but I didn't rule it out.

Then I got a picture:


I recognize it as an Escort. What is it and is he full of BS like I suspect?
 
Cosworth edition thingy...? Which is pretty fast. RS200 is MR with round headlights and looks completely different.

Either an Escort Cosworth RS or an RS2000
 
They did make an Escort called the RS2000, but the last year for the car was 1996. As far as I know, that Escort was never officially sold in the United States. He may have an Escort GT with a bodykit and a bit of a conversion to RS2000 specs.
 
RS 200 is a gr.B car but as said before looks completely different than that, I smell BS here considering RS2000 was never sold here and never made 450 hp. Cosworths can get pretty powerful when modified but I don't think they were sold here either.
 
That's what I thought. The RS200 was capable of 60 in 2.1 seconds, but with a top speed of around 120. That is an escort with, what, 160 hp? Maybe more, but no RS200.
 
It's not an RS200.

It could be an Escort Cosworth or just a normal Mk5 Escort with a Cossie body-kit. I would say that it does look as if it might be a genuine one. The real ones had a longer wheel base. This one appears to have a greater distance between the door shut line and the front axel-line. Who would bother to import a standard Mk5 Escort?
 
It's not an RS200.

I think this is understating things a little. It's SO not an RS200. It's never been an RS200, it never will be an RS200, it shares NO parts with an RS200.

For reference, the Ford RS200 was a wholly bespoke, purpose-built Group B rally car, designed to annihilate all on the rally stages in 1986. I say "wholly" bespoke - it borrowed a couple of items from the Sierra parts bucket (rear lights, windscreen). The chassis was designed by F1 engineers, the power was supplied by Cosworth, the styling came from Ghia and the bodywork was formed by Reliant. The roadgoing Evo versions could pull flat 3.0s 62mph sprints (the official world record for a production road car from 1994 until 2006), limited by gearing to 118mph (though you could change the ratios from the factory and go for a more leisurely 6s sprint and 200mph top end), with the rally versions able to beat 0-62mph in 2.8s on gravel.


What you have pictured is a Ford Escort RS2000 Mk5 with bits of a Ford Escort RS Cosworth bodykit on it. With 150hp, probably front-wheel drive (some RS2000s were 4WD on the Mk5bs) and a slightly more pedestrian 0-60mph time of 8.5s, it's never been near Group B and never will.


It could be an Escort Cosworth or just a normal Mk5 Escort with a Cossie body-kit. I would say that it does look as if it might be a genuine one. The real ones had a longer wheel base. This one appears to have a greater distance between the door shut line and the front axel-line. Who would bother to import a standard Mk5 Escort?

I think it's a trick of the camera angle. The C-pillar on the RS Cosworth was different - this one looks like an ordinary Mk5 3-door shell to me.

(for everyone else's reference, the Escort RS Cosworth looked like an Escort, but was a Sierra RS Cosworth underneath - hence the longer wheelbase).


If your mate is claiming this car is a Group B Ford RS200, he's full of premium Group A BS200.
 
I'm quite shocked no one has bothered to post an image of an RS200.

So here's an RS200:


That's also the only one I know of with a private owner in the US.
 
I'm surprised the RS200 that Diego posted has Oregon plates on it (which looks like it is street legal?).
 
The RS200 is street legal

Remember it was a homologation car made so it would be allowed into the Group B Rally, so a certain number had to be produced and "tuned down" for civil use. I think only 200 were produced.
 
I think it's a trick of the camera angle. The C-pillar on the RS Cosworth was different - this one looks like an ordinary Mk5 3-door shell to me.

I'm not so sure. If you look at this RS2000 with a Cossie body kit (on the left)you can see that the front wheel is further back than the front wheel on the one originally posted. Compare the distance between the indicator light and the lip of the wheel arch, there's quite a difference.

 
So my friend is talking about a freind of his who apparently got a Ford RS200. I know those are sporty, but I heard that this is some rally version with 450 hp thaqt can do 60 in 2.1 seconds. I never thought this was true, but I didn't rule it out.

Then I got a picture:


I recognize it as an Escort. What is it and is he full of BS like I suspect?

Questions of its provdence aside (IMO, it's probably not a genuine RS Cosworth), there are some factual issues to be considered in the stats.

The road car came in two versions: initially, a two litre inline 4 with a big blower good for slightly under 230bhp, was followed by a less laggy incarnation that was closer to 200bhp. Externally, the key difference was that the more powerful car had a massive raised spoiler supported by a huge central stanchion, whereas the less powerful car had a wing more in keeping with that photographed.

Most Cosworths got modified after they were a couple of years old. The engine is strong and can be boosted to around 350bhp. Above that, and it starts to get expensive - friends I had at the time who were in the know were telling me that above 350bhp you needed bigger fuel injectors and needed to start braiding the injector hoses. Above 400bhp and you're looking at replacing the intercooler, cam modifications and a new fuel pump. They start to run into heat problems at this power level, probably because you've put a massive intercooler in the radiator's air stream. Clutches were good to around 300bhp, and the gearbox was officially rated at near-enough 375bhp.

Most of the heavily-boosted ones didn't really run worth a damn though. There were plenty of chip vendors selling brainwash kits for the turbos, but above 5,000rpm they tended to start misfiring horribly under full load. Above 300bhp you really needed to start taking a whole-system approach to tuning them, and of course that was expensive. Power costs money: how fast can you afford?

So, 450bhp was attainable using the stock lump, with fuel system, camshaft, turbo and intercooler mods. Whether this would translate to a sub 3.0s 0-60 dash is unlikely. Remember that a 2007 911 GT2 with 530bhp won't do that, and that's after 15yrs of whole-car development by Porsche, so it's pretty unlikely that a bunch of neds in a shed could do it in 1996 with a four-year old econobox.

There were rally versions. Initally it was a Group A car - one of the last - and so was turbo-restricted to around 300bhp. Stripped out, anti-lag fitted, tarmac suspension and soft slicks, I would reckon 0-60 in around 3.5s would be possible.

So your mate's figures sound like Chinese BS (where the extent of the BS increases with each repetition).

As to whether the car is a fake: you've got to look under the bonnet. Failing that, I would check the brakes. Big (>250mm) vented discs at the front, not drilled or grooved, and sizeable (>200mm) solid discs at the back. All boggo Escorts at the time would have tiny discs on the front, and drums on the rear, and you're looking at a big bill to upgrade to big discs all round.
 
The RS200 is street legal

Remember it was a homologation car made so it would be allowed into the Group B Rally, so a certain number had to be produced and "tuned down" for civil use. I think only 200 were produced.

Yeah, I know it was homologation car, and that it was street legal for UK (Europe too?). But I should have been more specific, I never thought that the RS200 was street legal in America? Ford never brought it here officially, so it would have cost the owner a lot to federalize the car if the government even let the car be imported in the first place. And mind you, this car wasn't for track use only, those looked like any old Oregon plate.
 
Thanks, guys. I had huge suspicions that it was BS as soon as I first heard the rumor. As soon as I saw the picture I could tell he didnt' have any sort of RS200. I mostly wanted to know if there was some special version if the Escort that could pull these figures. Now I need to talk to the guy to see what he was thinking.
 
Oops. Apparently that was the wrong car. My confusions are now solved.

Here it is. A blue Ford RS200 evolution S (Chassis no 168), one of two made:



I'd believe the 2.1 seconds to 60 in that car.
 
So he actually owns that? wow, thats a pretty amazing car, you should definitely get hime to take you for a ride if at all possible.
 
So he actually owns that? wow, thats a pretty amazing car, you should definitely get hime to take you for a ride if at all possible.

That's what Thanksgiving and Christmas are for when I'm back in Seattle.

Oh yeah, this guy has about 5 ferraris (which they race on the Ferrari circuit), apparently an original Cobra, two Ford GTs and around 35 odd other cars. I guess they are prospectors, but they are filthy rich. Thinking of buying a dealer network in North Seattle. They buy cars, wait for the value to go up then sell them.
 
What was it? Like maybe $120,000? Doesn't sound like a lot but I was suprised when I heard the number.
 
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