help....new sedan needed!!!!!

[mr2dude'91]

I would go for the IS300...it has luxury, style, power,etc.

But the best part is once she is done with it she can give to you...hahaha evil laugh

Anyway my friend has an IS300 and it is currently at 420hp it is awesome!!! Definately convince her to get that I know she and you well love it!!! I wish my parents had cool cars

 

[1X83Z]

I'm going to take this opportunity to make fun of the rest of you.

Originally posted by DrIft ProJeCt R
i dont think ur mom knows how to drive stick (most moms dont)

new accord V6 is very fast run mid 14s.

It's a family car. Nobody cares how fast it is in a quarter mile. Go drift.

WRX, excellent 4wd system and plenty of power.

Ever heard of the Subaru Legacy? Why do family sedans need 'plenty of power'?

oh... and I should add the acura TSX, you think???

No. Slightly worse than the Mazda 6, which I used to have a high opinion of. Both cars are compromises, especially in your price range.

there is the Lincoln LS which I might add is better then a BMW.

I'm not sure which BMW - certainly not any new one. This coming from a very consistent Lincoln LS supporter, incidentally.

Altima and Maxima have those cheapish interiors and the fuel economy suck in their class.

I won't go after the comment before this because it's easier to prove you wrong there. The Altima and Maxima both have fuel economy to the high side of their respective classes. "Cheap interior" is a parroted comment from somebody who's only read the magazine articles.

But if you like more upscale alternative I'll get the Acura's new TL, for US$35,000 (loaded) it has everything you can think of, plus a a state of the art sound system unlike anything in its class, and a DVD-ROM navi system with Bluetooth technology.

Oh, Bluetooth technology and a cool sound system! Now we've justified the $8000 price difference over the V6 Accord.

In the near-luxury class (FWD category) I will still pick the Acura TL.

And when you realise the Honda Accord EX-L is a near-luxury car, you would hopefully pick that.

Yes, the Acura TL is a very good pick, but the G35 can be had nicely for around 30k. Its performance oriented, but has a lot more room than you'd think.

It is roomier than a TL... but it still falls behind an Accord EX-L. So does the Passat. Perhaps there's a recurring theme here.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

Originally posted by M5Power
I'm going to take this opportunity to make fun of the rest of you.







It's a family car. Nobody cares how fast it is in a quarter mile. Go drift.



Ever heard of the Subaru Legacy? Why do family sedans need 'plenty of power'?



No. Slightly worse than the Mazda 6, which I used to have a high opinion of. Both cars are compromises, especially in your price range.



I'm not sure which BMW - certainly not any new one. This coming from a very consistent Lincoln LS supporter, incidentally.



I won't go after the comment before this because it's easier to prove you wrong there. The Altima and Maxima both have fuel economy to the high side of their respective classes. "Cheap interior" is a parroted comment from somebody who's only read the magazine articles.



Oh, Bluetooth technology and a cool sound system! Now we've justified the $8000 price difference over the V6 Accord.



And when you realise the Honda Accord EX-L is a near-luxury car, you would hopefully pick that.



It is roomier than a TL... but it still falls behind an Accord EX-L. So does the Passat. Perhaps there's a recurring theme here.

I agree with some of your points but there are some few flaws.

Regarding your 4th reply:
I got high praises too with the Mazda6 but, if they just abandon the Ford Taurus (Duratec V6) engine and it will be the perfect family sedan.

6th reply:
Okey, I maybe wrong with the fuel mileage, but I just don't read magazines, I research them thouroughly. I go to auto shows twice a year and those remarks from the magazines are correct, the interiors matirials are quite cheap compared to the last generation but not as worst as the new Chevy Malibu.

7th reply:
Bro, the Accord (EX-L w/Navi) doesn't even have the Bluetooth and the 8-speaker sound system.

8th reply:
For your info, that everybody would disagree you that the Accord is a near-luxury sedan (unlike in some 3rd world countries, and in Japan as the Honda Inspire). The EX-L V6 sedan is still considered as a mid-size class category, not all cars that has a faux wood triming, leather seats, and a navigation system can be considered as a near-luxury car (prime example: Mazda3 s).

9th reply:
The G35 is a very good car, no doubt about that. But the TL is a tad more roomier than the G35. Besides I seperated the FWD, RWD, and AWD into seperate groups in the near-luxury class. But if you're into RWD I'll pick the G35 and the 330i anytime than the IS300 and the CTS. FWD, Acura TL and Lexus ES330 than Saab 9-3.

 

[1X83Z]

Regarding your 4th reply:
I got high praises too with the Mazda6 but, if they just abandon the Ford Taurus (Duratec V6) engine and it will be the perfect family sedan.

That engine's probably the best part of the car. Everybody says 'it's a Taurus engine.' Yeah, I'll Taurus-engine you. It's also used on the Ford Escape, Ford Ranger, Lincoln LS, Mazda 6, Mazda B-series, Mazda MPV, and Mazda Tribute - and all those cars are pretty damn good. What's so wrong with the engine, just that it came from a domestic car manufacturer?

7th reply:
Bro, the Accord (EX-L w/Navi) doesn't even have the Bluetooth and the 8-speaker sound system.

Oh. Then it's the worst car ever.

8th reply:
For your info, that everybody would disagree you that the Accord is a near-luxury sedan (unlike in some 3rd world countries, and in Japan as the Honda Inspire). The EX-L V6 sedan is still considered as a mid-size class category, not all cars that has a faux wood triming, leather seats, and a navigation system can be considered as a near-luxury car (prime example: Mazda3 s).

Or maybe that's just what those magazines you read tell you? The Accord V6 is better than any sport sedan or family sedan on sale today (C-class, 3-series, A4, G35 - all of them), and I'd gladly do any comparison. It's one of the best (probably the very best) Japanese cars ever made.

9th reply:
The G35 is a very good car, no doubt about that. But the TL is a tad more roomier than the G35.

Grrr. If by 'a tad more roomier,' you mean smaller in every category, I agree.

G35
- front head room: 40.1"
- front leg room: 43.9"
- rear head room: 37.9"
- rear leg room: 36.2"
- cargo volume: 14.8 cu ft
TL
- front head room: 38.7"
- front leg room: 42.8"
- rear head room: 37.2"
- rear leg room: 34.9"
- cargo volume: 12.5 cu ft

 

[Powripper]

Or maybe that's just what those magazines you read tell you? The Accord V6 is better than any sport sedan or family sedan on sale today (C-class, 3-series, A4, G35 - all of them), and I'd gladly do any comparison. It's one of the best (probably the very best) Japanese cars ever made.

what is with you and not trusting car magazines?? they are people who know alot about cars and can give a manily unbiased opinion (most of the time) the real experience is in the test drive (which they do) numbes can tell you alot to, but you cant base opinions on them, unless you have driven each of the cars, I would tend to trust the guys from the mags...well ...because its there job....

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by powripper
what is with you and not trusting car magazines?? they are people who know alot about cars and can give a manily unbiased opinion (most of the time) the real experience is in the test drive (which they do) numbes can tell you alot to, but you cant base opinions on them, unless you have driven each of the cars, I would tend to trust the guys from the mags...well ...because its there job....

It's my job too.

People are hugely biased because magazines are hugely biased. Many times, with many magazines, magazines don't want to lose the ability to test a company's cars, so they suck up to a company, even when it isn't deserved. A good example is the Buick Rendezvous. This thing is a minivan. It's got a minivan engine, layout and floorplan, drivetrain, style, seating arrangement, minvan cargo and passenger space, and minivan features. But Buick says it's an SUV, so all the magazines follow suit. It's stupid, because the damn thing is so obviously a minivan.

The Accord is a near-luxury car. It hasn't got the badge, but it's got every single other thing to beat out more expensive, more 'prestigious' cars from Infiniti, BMW, Audi, and Acura (and especially Jaguar, with the X-Type being the worst British car ever imported). The only reason people don't understand this is because the magazines are busy comparing it to the Camry XLE and Altima SE. If they had any sense, they'd get some imagination.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

Oh. Then it's the worst car ever.

You got it all wrong, of course the Accord is one of the best cars that money can buy. It's just doesn't have some of the features of it's upscale platform (TL).

Grrr. If by 'a tad more roomier,' you mean smaller in every category, I agree.

On what model year is the TL that you compared?

That engine's probably the best part of the car. Everybody says 'it's a Taurus engine.' Yeah, I'll Taurus-engine you. It's also used on the Ford Escape, Ford Ranger, Lincoln LS, Mazda 6, Mazda B-series, Mazda MPV, and Mazda Tribute - and all those cars are pretty damn good. What's so wrong with the engine, just that it came from a domestic car manufacturer?

Like you that you hate the TSX, I hate Mazda's with Ford engines.

 

[epic]

The Accord looks like a roach.

Mazda6S is definately a good car,I have one and love it!

 

[ShobThaBob]

I dont see why the hate? It makes no logical sense. There is nothing WRONG with the engine. It doesnt blow up randomly or have head gasket problems, so who cares? Ford owns mazda. Get over it. Mazda6 = good car. Unless you can point to something and say 'that is mechanically unstable' then you have no basis for your hate. Child.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by The Vanishing Boy
You got it all wrong, of course the Accord is one of the best cars that money can buy. It's just doesn't have some of the features of it's upscale platform (TL).

It has most of them, and it definitely has the ones that matter. I'm not sure what it takes to get people to believe that something without a premium badge might be premium - brand bias is too rampant.

On what model year is the TL that you compared?

The new one.

Like you that you hate the TSX, I hate Mazda's with Ford engines.

Yeah - one of has reasons. It isn't you

The Accord looks like a roach.

Then it can't be good. If it looks bad, then it's the worst car ever made anywhere ever at anytime.

Shut up.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

......well I have but it will take some time for me explain it all.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by The Vanishing Boy
......well I have but it will take some time for me explain it all.

So "brand bias" strikes again, then.

 

[vat_man]

Originally posted by M5Power
...and especially Jaguar, with the X-Type being the worst British car ever imported). The only reason people don't understand this is because the magazines are busy comparing it to the Camry XLE and Altima SE. If they had any sense, they'd get some imagination.

That's right - you guys don't get Rovers, do you?

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by vat_man
That's right - you guys don't get Rovers, do you?

Unfortunately not, but the X-Type would still be worse. I don't understand how something that comes out four years after its main competitor is still worse than its main competitor.

If we did get Rover, I'd get a ZT - I swear.

 

[VIPFREAK]

Hmm... RS6, G35, FX45, TSX, CTS and IS300 start to sound pricy but not bad of cars. Lancer and WRX STI both expensive but way overrated. Hondas suck, I wouldn't get a luxo car either... I'm not a VW person and even though I like Toyota I don't think I'd get a Camry or Corolla. The Mazda 6 is nice but Big at least for me. I'd actually like the Mazda 3s right now, sounds like a good compromise. There are a lot of other cars like the Nissan Maxima and Lincoln LS or TL and X-type but to me they are not worth it.

Nick

 

[fast1]

Originally posted by M5Power
If we did get Rover, I'd get a ZT - I swear.

ZT actually isn't Rover. I mean, everyone knows it is, but they would like us to think that it is MG. They are listed under MG in every car magazine, but still sold in Rover dealership.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by fast1
ZT actually isn't Rover. I mean, everyone knows it is, but they would like us to think that it is MG. They are listed under MG in every car magazine, but still sold in Rover dealership.

Yeah - makes sense concerning Rover's image. But my assumption to vat_man's question was that if we got Rover, we'd also get MG, which is probably true. Within the next five years, the US is supposed to get MG Rover and Alfa Romeo, though I don't see it happening.

 

[epic]

Originally posted by M5Power
Then it can't be good. If it looks bad, then it's the worst car ever made anywhere ever at anytime.

Shut up.


Who said roaches look bad? Moron.

 

[vat_man]

Originally posted by M5Power
Yeah - makes sense concerning Rover's image. But my assumption to vat_man's question was that if we got Rover, we'd also get MG, which is probably true. Within the next five years, the US is supposed to get MG Rover and Alfa Romeo, though I don't see it happening.

Actually, my point was that you'd probably have a new worst British car if you got Rover. Have you seen the build quality on the Rovers and MGs? Frightful.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by vat_man
Actually, my point was that you'd probably have a new worst British car if you got Rover. Have you seen the build quality on the Rovers and MGs? Frightful.

I know, but I actually assume and hope that the at least the 45 and probably the 25 would be redesigned before MG Rover started importing cars to the US. Actually, they'd have to be - we wouldn't put up with it. You can't enter a competitive market with a crap product.