Here is a tip you should follow

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When beginning to chase someone down at the track, never assume they will brake at the same breaking point as you. This could result in a collision. Gradually learn their braking point to be able to ease in tighter and then better setup for a pass at the exit. If you are the third car behind, remember that car number 2 might be braking different for car number 1.

(thx wurks.ca)...

I guess all know this but few practice it when racing online...always a few hotshots that try to brake 1 sec later and are driving right behind you.
This is the reason most races fail online...hope PD makes brake late punishment harder.
Well more tips are welcome...
 
Not to be rude, but I thought this was common racing etiquette. Even under the worst circumstances, I've found that by the end of the race the problem children are either at the back of the pack, or already logged out.

Higher laps help. Once the stupid ones realize it'll be a while before their next chance, they log off. Sucks, but the internet gives every idiot their opportunity, myself included.

Take the good.
Take the bad.
Take them both,
And there you have...
 
True.

Here's another tip you should follow: try not to brake way too early. You might end up getting someone in trouble with the race stewards for your lack of familliarity with the course, in addition to being slow. I still have trouble with this, the first Monza chicane gets me every time as far as braking points go. Since I got a wheel, though, other early-braking issues have become less severe.

One interesting strategy I once heard is to lightly tap your brakes once or twice when you're about to brake for a corner, that way anyone drafting you has time to move over before you stand on the brakes. If only the GT5 AIs did that.

I will admit many of my previous rear-end accidents were due to unfamiliarity with the course, I thought "I'll draft this guy into the corner, then pull out and pass just before he brakes". Problem was, when I was drafting I tended to vastly underestimate the braking distance the other guy would require, thus, when I saw the brake lights quite a bit before I pulled out, I thought he was braking early (or even maliciously brake checking).

Oh, and don't try to draft an F40. In my experience the stock brakes on that car are borderline useless.
 
Even if they use the same braking point as you, you will still crash into them, because if you're right behind you don't have the wind resistance to help you brake. So you need a longer braking distance when drafting behind someone.
 
White & Nerdy
Here's another tip you should follow: try not to brake way too early.
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I am not a good driver, so I am sure I am slower than you'd rather me be when you are following me. Get over it. I'm trying not to wreck.

Also, I tend to avoid setups with oversteer. That means, I tend to have understeer. That means I brake early to tame the understeer.

That also means I'm my fastest at Fuji, which tends to be everyone's least favorite course. That course is built around brake early and accelerate through the apex instead of the traditional slow in-fast out.

Point is, not all cars have the same braking point, much less all drivers.
 
It's amazing how so many people online don't understand the concertina effect of a few cars in a line, 3rd/4th+ car always seems to think they can break at their normal solo braking points, Ram into someone and then say you braked to early.
 
gtlondoner
it's amazing how so many people online don't understand the concertina effect of a few cars in a line, 3rd/4th+ car always seems to think they can break at their normal solo braking points, ram into someone and then say you braked to early.
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Good advice OP. other good advice is, if you are unsure about braking, leave a bigger gap than you want to, say 5-6 car lengths instead of 1-2. You'll make up the distance in draft anyway so you have nothing to lose. Another thing you can do is don't enter the corner right behind the guy in front of you if you are at all unsure of where he's going to brake. Much safer to pull slightly out of line if you can, and if you are far enough back you won't run into his side either because you'll have plenty of extra room to brake.

This stuff should be common knowledge but it's definitely not. Divebombing every single corner is completely acceptable to most guys racing online, even when there are nice long straightaways with big draft effects to pass on. Why would someone divebomb in the last corner at Fuji when there's a straightaway as long as an airport runway following it? Who knows, but they do..:crazy: I have to admit it's gotten to me lately, having someone trying to divebomb every corner to get by me instead of setting up a draft pass at the flag or on the longest straight and I've taken to stuffing guys into the Armco at times as punishment...:sly:
 
I usually pull out so I am not directly behind the person I am following. With the differences in lag and car braking distances there is just no way to predict when a person will brake. That way there is no possibility of hitting them. Then I can brake as I feel and not be dictated by the other driver. I also find that by braking far earlier then most gets you a far better line and more speed out. Most people seem to just dive bomb the corners.
 
White & Nerdy
True.

Here's another tip you should follow: try not to brake way too early. You might end up getting someone in trouble with the race stewards for your lack of familliarity with the course, in addition to being slow. I still have trouble with this, the first Monza chicane gets me every time as far as braking points go. Since I got a wheel, though, other early-braking issues have become less severe.

One interesting strategy I once heard is to lightly tap your brakes once or twice when you're about to brake for a corner, that way anyone drafting you has time to move over before you stand on the brakes. If only the GT5 AIs did that.

I will admit many of my previous rear-end accidents were due to unfamiliarity with the course, I thought "I'll draft this guy into the corner, then pull out and pass just before he brakes". Problem was, when I was drafting I tended to vastly underestimate the braking distance the other guy would require, thus, when I saw the brake lights quite a bit before I pulled out, I thought he was braking early (or even maliciously brake checking).

Oh, and don't try to draft an F40. In my experience the stock brakes on that car are borderline useless.
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The first corner of the daytona road course is another example of that your full thottle then you have turn it is every difficult to gauge braking that corner
 
Ahhh, i actually didnt think that cars have different brakelength in GT5...thought that all were on same tires and brakelength depended on the speed.
Ive noticed that DS3 users use different brakingspots than wheelusers so that can be a reason too. Combined with a bit lag it can be crazy.

But mostly its just drivers horny on overtaking by braking late on places that are not made for overtaking instead of passing on places that are made for passing...its like i have to do Nurburg on 6.45 and this guy will make me finish 10sec later so i have to pass him on the first corner or i cant show how fast i really am:crazy:.
 
PhillGuy
I usually pull out so I am not directly behind the person I am following. With the differences in lag and car braking distances there is just no way to predict when a person will brake. That way there is no possibility of hitting them. Then I can brake as I feel and not be dictated by the other driver. I also find that by braking far earlier then most gets you a far better line and more speed out. Most people seem to just dive bomb the corners.
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This !!!

This guy uses his brains well said sir, Saved me from typing what I do, Always pull out if possible, Saves giving the dude infront 1 up the jacksie.
 
When tailing someone closely towards a braking point, it's a good idea to let off the gas when you're near the point where you'd assume the other guy to brake. It'll buy you a few metres of margin so you won't crash and you can easily catch up again by modulating your braking.
 
The person behind me always brakes when I brake. They can't react fast enough and end up crashing into me, causing me to go off track every now and then. If not, it gives them a chance to pass me(like a fag). Then I pass them doing the same thing...derp.
 
Totzke8
The first corner of the daytona road course is another example of that your full thottle then you have turn it is every difficult to gauge braking that corner
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Oh yes, this. Totally this. And Degner I, or whatever that corner on Suzuka is called. I haven't found the secrets to those yet, so if you want me to give you a penalty that would be an absolutely perfect place.

As for what everyone else is saying about ramming: if that's true then I don't ever want to see any of you drafting me on the Monza front straight. I almost always get the first chicane wrong and hit the brakes 50-100m early, and I'll probably end up doing that in front of you unless I've got it figured out by then. By your own words, the resulting contact would be your fault.
 
If you are slow move to the right should be the rule.....If you are going slow plus taking up the race line, you are going to get hit. In some GT leagues in real life collisions are not penalized unless they are truly malicious.
 
White & Nerdy
Oh yes, this. Totally this. And Degner I, or whatever that corner on Suzuka is called. I haven't found the secrets to those yet, so if you want me to give you a penalty that would be an absolutely perfect place.

As for what everyone else is saying about ramming: if that's true then I don't ever want to see any of you drafting me on the Monza front straight. I almost always get the first chicane wrong and hit the brakes 50-100m early, and I'll probably end up doing that in front of you unless I've got it figured out by then. By your own words, the resulting contact would be your fault.
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That's depending on if you are middle of the pack, if you are more chance a good driver wont get caught out by you braking early cause he will expect you to leave room for others in front of you,

If your 1st and brake early then yeah it's alot easier to be caught out,
If it was me in 2nd I'd take the blaim and say racing incident you caught me out there sorry :) but others will say it was a brake check and you can't drive :(

By far the most annoying thing for me is if someone crashes, Just drive's back onto the track at 5mph right in front of some doing 100mph+, Causing another crash messing up their lap and thinking its normal thing to do cause they wanted to slow them down and not lose to many places.
 
i agree...but how is this online, can PD make lobbies with realism on...logging players ramming and if they do it to many times they cant log on the lobbies that are set to "realism". To get in again perhaps a new license test must be taken...that id like!
 
Great theories but hard to put into practice. When a race starts I usually don't know if the other person knows the track or not. I also don't know if they've set up their car properly.

Sometimes people intentionally block, especially on the last lap, and if it's Monaco...I'll probably be tapping their back bumper.

Because so many open lobbies change tracks frequently it can be difficult to 'learn' the other drivers' braking point. And because people hop in and out of lobbies, as soon as you start to learn their habits, they leave and you have a whole new crop.

I believe racing is a non-contact sport...rubbin is racing' in NASCAR but not on a road course. But, the occasional incidental bump is bound to happen.
 
^ Actually it is, except F1 for the known reasons.
Even MotoGP,SBK. supercross etc have massive contacts cause they dont have the "luxury"/option to overtake in pits, there is only 1 way to win and that is to overtake.

Anyway, about GT for me is crystal clear when someone is bumping you on purpose or cause he made a mistake.
 
Or you can brake the instant you see brake lights on the following, but this seems to contradict my tactic:


eran0004
Even if they use the same braking point as you, you will still crash into them, because if you're right behind you don't have the wind resistance to help you brake. So you need a longer braking distance when drafting behind someone.
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However, my tactic as stated above has proven effective with cars of similar braking ability, and a reaction time to match the trailing distance.
 

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