Hold my Beer - Tokyo WTC 600 Stock Car Challenge

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Do you like a challenge?

Win the notorious Tokyo World Touring Car 600 on Hard Difficulty with a Clean Race Bonus in a completely stock vehicle.

No tuning. No wall riding. Not even a tire change.

Can you master Tokyo 600 in a vehicle straight off the showroom floor? Find a car you think can do it. Share your results.

 
jad_morffier
Do you like a challenge?

Win the notorious Tokyo World Touring Car 600 on Hard Difficulty with a Clean Race Bonus in a completely stock vehicle.

No tuning. No wall riding. Not even a tire change.

Can you master Tokyo 600 in a vehicle straight off the showroom floor? Find a car you think can do it. Share your results.

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The Jaguar XJ220 straight from the showroom floor can do it, as for the CRB that's the hard part, no controlling AI cars from hitting you causing loss of CRB
 
Umm, yeah, lots of stock cars can win this race. Tons of cars are posted in the Tokyo 600 thread. I’ve probably posted 50 cars I’ve beat the race with and I wouldn’t doubt that a few of them were stock.

We’ve done cheapest car challenges, van challenges, truck challenges, lowest PP (without an engine swap) challenges, a first gen Mazda Miata challenge (that one was brutal). So there is lots of fun to be had in the Tokyo 600 thread.

It’s been a while since I last played this game so the PP ratings of the cars may have changed, but a stock R35 can easily win this race with the CRB. I’m pretty sure there is a 911 that can do it. Probably an M3 as well. The XJ220 could do it as well. There are likely a bunch more.
 
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Umm, yeah, lots of stock cars can win this race. Tons of cars are posted in the Tokyo 600 thread. I’ve probably posted 50 cars I’ve beat the race with and I wouldn’t doubt that a few of them were stock.
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Great! It's the few in that 50 that would be great to share.
 
Tommy_D
It’s been a while since I last played this game so the PP ratings of the cars may have changed, but a stock R35 can easily win this race with the CRB. I’m pretty sure there is a 911 that can do it. Probably an M3 as well. The XJ220 could do it as well. There are likely a bunch more.
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You are correct the PP has changed. I did have a list of 21 stock cars that could do it but some have since tipped over the 600pp limit. The most disappointing one for me was the GTAm. I loved that car at Tokyo.

So the list I have now is currently 19 cars.

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However after today I will be adding the Porsche 959 '87. I didn't think it was doable but after a few trials testing pit lap strategies, no tire change, no pit etc. I found that just balls out hard racing I could get into the pits in front of Kokubun at the end of lap 8 and watch him fall away in my rear mirror for the last stint.
 
After few weeks with 959 I've been now grinding Tokyo with F40 and I noticed after I bought Eziodash pro that my tires are fairly cold all the time. Temp is around 52C and fronts even drop below 50. They are under recommendations on the app
I'm using stock suspension and no added aero. Ballast must be used to get it below 600

Does anyone else have low temperatures on tires also?
 
Turbokoo
After few weeks with 959 I've been now grinding Tokyo with F40 and I noticed after I bought Eziodash pro that my tires are fairly cold all the time. Temp is around 52C and fronts even drop below 50. They are under recommendations on the app
I'm using stock suspension and no added aero. Ballast must be used to get it below 600

Does anyone else have low temperatures on tires
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Driving in the wet parts helps keep them low. I do this to slow down the tire wear. Other than that I'm not sure.
 
jad_morffier
Do you like a challenge?

Win the notorious Tokyo World Touring Car 600 on Hard Difficulty with a Clean Race Bonus in a completely stock vehicle.

No tuning. No wall riding. Not even a tire change.

Can you master Tokyo 600 in a vehicle straight off the showroom floor? Find a car you think can do it. Share your results.

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I did couple runs (with wins) yesterday in the following order.

XJ220 '92: 26:42.932, no tire change, no crb
DB11 '16: 27:07.491, no tire change, no crb
Charger SRT Hellcat '15: 27:00.892, tire change, no crb
LFA '10: 26:47.600, no tire change, crb
GT-R '17: 26:55.019, tire change, no crb
F430 '06: 27:12.813, no tire change, crb

I haven't done this race in probably a couple of years, so the start was a bit rusty. Now that I'm a little more familiar with the AI's behavior, I should get CRB more often and times will improve. I totally forgot how trash the AI is in this game.

Changing tires takes about 4 seconds. It's a pretty good idea to do it on all front-engine cars. On mid-engine cars, you might save time by not changing, but if you can do laps even a second faster, it's worth changing tires. Often, after a pit stop, there are still 5 laps of racing left.

Refueling is really slow. The GT-R's pit in lap was 13 seconds slower than the XJ220. Almost a full tank of fuel (+tires) for GTR vs less than half a tank for XJ220. So if you can save gas without affecting your lap time too much, you can get some time savings.
 
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Turbokoo
Yes, of course I understand this but tire temp goes all the time down even though track gets drier
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Interesting. I'll do a run with ballist only and see if it happens to me too. I don't have the delta info for the tire temps but I imagine tire wear or lack there of will give me enough information.

Larzi-
I did couple runs (with wins) yesterday in the following order.

XJ220 '92: 26:42.932, no tire change, no crb
DB11 '16: 27:07.491, no tire change, no crb
Charger SRT Hellcat '15: 27:00.892, tire change, no crb
LFA '10: 26:47.600, no tire change, crb
GT-R '17: 26:55.019, tire change, no crb
F430 '06: 27:12.813, no tire change, crb

I haven't done this race in probably a couple of years, so the start was a bit rusty. Now that I'm a little more familiar with the AI's behavior, I should get CRB more often and times will improve. I totally forgot how trash the AI is in this game.

Changing tires takes about 4 seconds. It's a pretty good idea to do it on all front-engine cars. On mid-engine cars, you might save time by not changing, but if you can do laps even a second faster, it's worth changing tires. Often, after a pit stop, there are still 5 laps of racing left.

Refueling is really slow. The GT-R's pit in lap was 13 seconds slower than the XJ220. Almost a full tank of fuel (+tires) for GTR vs less than half a tank for XJ220. So if you can save gas without affecting your lap time too much, you can get some time savings.
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Nice work!

Good info regarding engine placement and refueling times. That might open up some more cars that could do this stock.

Yes the only real challenge with the AI is getting the CRB. Kukomon is really the only one to worry about with the lower PP cars. If you can get in front of him before he pits you can usually beat him in the last 4 laps.

In saying that I'm currently attempting to win with a stock Mercedes-AMG C 63 S '15. I did it 11 months ago but it was a difficult challenge. It's still just as difficult with v1.61'.
I can jump him in the pits and keep him behind me for the next 3 laps but on the last lap he shoots past after the final corner.

I have no intention of giving up.
 
Larzi-
So if you can save gas without affecting your lap time too much, you can get some time savings.
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You can fuel save by lowering your fuel map to map 3 after the hill coming out of the tunnel on the straight. Keep it there until you hit the exit of the hairpin on to the straight. The whole back side of the track is about keeping momentum through the turns. You don’t need crazy acceleration out of the turns because you are already going over 100mph the whole time. You might get an extra lap or lap and a half of fuel by using this method.
 
Yesterday I did one race with the z-tune r34, just to add a new car to my list, but for some reason Kokubun decided to do a 26:56 race. So I'll have to try again later. :lol:
 
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I did some work over the weekend. @jad_morffier are you sure the Dodge Viper GTS is still doable? I tried for 2 hours to get it work, but it is much slower than the Porsche 959.

I also tested Porsche Cayman GT4, Chevrolet Corvette C7 Gr.3 Road Car and Toyota Celica Rally Car but those were too slow.

Here is my list so far
 
Larzi-
I did some work over the weekend. @jad_morffier are you sure the Dodge Viper GTS is still doable? I tried for 2 hours to get it work, but it is much slower than the Porsche 959.

I also tested Porsche Cayman GT4, Chevrolet Corvette C7 Gr.3 Road Car and Toyota Celica Rally Car but those were too slow.

Here is my list so far
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Nice work!

I'm currently redoing all the cars on my list (10 months old) with the latest version of the game to make sure they can all still do it. So far I've successfully won (with CRB) 14 of the 20 on my list. I've put them all up on my YT channel.

Still working on the other 6 cars including the Viper GTS '06. The Corvette C7 Gr.3 Road Car I was unsuccessful with but the other C7 road car did it.

I thought the Cayman GT4 and Celica Rally car would work as well given their PP but their top end speed is too low for that long straight.
 
I found couple new additions to stock car winner list. All no stoppers.

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Although the X-bow is slow on the straights (~260 kph top speed), it can easily win the race due to its good fuel economy and excellent aerodynamic grip. I used fuel map two after the halfway point of the main straight. Otherwise fuel map one. Bigger gear on couple places. The driving characteristics require a bit of getting used to in order to get the full potential of the car.

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A little more fuel map control, because the rev limiter in the last gear is found quite quickly. Very good acceleration.

I also did a no stop win with Lamborghini Countach LP400 '74 with flat 27 min race time but the tires were not the right ones. I used accidentally SH tires and the stock tires are CS. The car still has potential.
 
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Fantastic! I'll give them all a run and see what results I can get.

I got the Viper GTS '02 out today. Got very close to 1st place on a few occasions. I think it's still doable. Not much room for errors though.
 
jad_morffier
In saying that I'm currently attempting to win with a stock Mercedes-AMG C 63 S '15. I did it 11 months ago but it was a difficult challenge. It's still just as difficult with v1.61'.
I can jump him in the pits and keep him behind me for the next 3 laps but on the last lap he shoots past after the final corner.

I have no intention of giving up.
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Merc done with a time 27:07.732. I entered to pits same lap as Kokubun about sub 3 seconds behind him. I decided not to change tires (4 seconds faster stop) so I could get ahead of him and then simply block all overtaking attempts. There was no need for this anyway, because the GR Supra got between us after pits and I was able to make up enough of a gap that Kokubun didn't get within striking distance.
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Larzi-
Merc done with a time 27:07.732. I entered to pits same lap as Kokubun about sub 3 seconds behind him. I decided not to change tires (4 seconds faster stop) so I could get ahead of him and then simply block all overtaking attempts. There was no need for this anyway, because the GR Supra got between us after pits and I was able to make up enough of a gap that Kokubun didn't get within striking distance.View attachment 1473687View attachment 1473688
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Hell yeh! Well done! Another tactic I've not tried yet. The tires held up ok?

I spent the day in the Viper GTS '02. Still no win yet but with multiple attempts getting 2nd place with CRB the bank account is looking good.
 
jad_morffier
Hell yeh! Well done! Another tactic I've not tried yet. The tires held up ok?

I spent the day in the Viper GTS '02. Still no win yet but with multiple attempts getting 2nd place with CRB the bank account is looking good.
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Of course, my lap times started to be a little slower but Merc was pretty good with worn tires. You have to press the gas little bit gentler when exiting the corner but otherwise very balanced and no bad understeer. I had one power oversteer moment at lap 11 and lost about a second there, but nothing more serious. All four tires wore out the same amount.
 
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Larzi-
Merc was pretty good with worn tires. You have to press the gas little bit gentler when exiting the corner but otherwise very balanced and no bad understeer. I had one power oversteer moment at lap 11 and I lost about a second there, but nothing more serious.
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Ok great good to know. I'll try it myself as that car was the hardest win for me.
 
jad_morffier
Ok great good to know. I'll try it myself as that car was the hardest win for me.
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The thing is, when we move on to cars with an average race time of around 27:10, we also have to be lucky that Kokubun stays in the block behind Suswillo for the first half of the race. Otherwise, Kokubun runs in 27 minutes or less. Not to mention cars that can do 27:10 at perfect drive.
 
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Larzi-
The thing is, when we move on to cars with an average race time of around 27:10, we also have to be lucky that Kokubun stays in the block behind Suswillo for the first half of the race. Otherwise, Kokubun runs in 27 minutes or less. Not to mention cars that can do 27:10 at perfect drive.
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Very true. I've been waiting for Kokubun to get stuck behind all day. 😀
 

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