Honda going turbo?

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brant2788
I was reading on article on espn F1 that honda would like to be back in f1 but only under new regulations meaning turbo engines more or less. The article also said that honda is leaning toward turbo for there road cars in the near future which I would be very upset with because it would take away from what has made honda so great and interesting which is their NA high reving v tech engines. So my question is are you in favour of turbo honda road cars in the future?
 
A lot of companies are going to turbo engines because of the power and fuel economy benefits. It's only natural that Honda would also go in this direction.

That being said, I would really like it if they made another S2000, but revving to 9500RPM, with about 300-350hp.
 
Yeah.

Honda already mastered NA high revving V Tech engines. And Honda likes challenges.

Let them tackle the turbo challenge. What can go wrong? It was a Honda turbo powerplant that really pushed Mclaren to dominate the 80s.

By the way my mind just exploded at the thought of Honda returning to F1 (due to turbo regs) and supplying Mclaren.
 
You do know that Honda recently had a production turbocharged vehicle, correct?

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Bopop4
A lot of companies are going to turbo engines because of the power and fuel economy benefits. It's only natural that Honda would also go in this direction.

That being said, I would really like it if they made another S2000, but revving to 9500RPM, with about 300-350hp.
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How many current road cars go up to 9500rpm? There's a reason why.
 
What made Honda interesting was their commitment to engineering. The thing they made a name for themselves with in the 1970s with their reliability and safety, the 1980s with their F1 advances, or the 1990s with their performance road cars. What made Honda so great in those decades quite frankly hasn't applied for their past 10 years of them just copying whatever Toyota was doing and warming over their cars to meet the competition rather than moving the game forward.

If a focus on turbocharging can make them return to the Honda of old, then bring it on.
 
I'd imagine that a large proportion of Hondas sold in Europe these days are turbo engined. Turbo diesel obviously. Honda are no stranger to modern turbocharging technology.
 
avens
How many current road cars go up to 9500rpm? There's a reason why.
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The S2000 went up to 9000, with the advances in technology I don't see why they can't get another 500rpm reliably. It would sound amazing...
 
Bopop4
The S2000 went up to 9000, with the advances in technology I don't see why they can't get another 500rpm reliably. It would sound amazing...
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And then went down to 8k to increase reliability (ap2 s2000, 2004 and onwards), which is a major concern honda being honda.

9000 is not 9500. There are more cars that get up to 9k and that are made for reliable road usage, but 9500 is a different story altogether. Of course you can tune it at home to get there, as some s2000 mods do for example, but it's not the same as having that from the factory.

Also with the current honda performance motors (for road going cars) I don't see them getting up to 9500 and 350hp from factory, even more so with NA.
 
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Actually, 9500 wouldn't be very hard for Honda.
Even if they just stuck some bike engines together it would work.
Take down the rev limit for reliability, and you could get quite a bit of power to boot.

Even if they just updated the F20C I'm sure they could get 300hp and an extra 500rpm.
 
It "went down" in RPMs because they increased the stroke. The F20C produces more of its displacement from bore rather than stroke in order to allow the engine to rev higher (more stroke is no good for high revs) but naturally resulted in it not having much "usable" torque. It had nothing to do with reliability. It's not like people were driving around every day cruising at 9000 RPMs.
 
Bopop4
Actually, 9500 wouldn't be very hard for Honda.
Even if they just stuck some bike engines together it would work.
Take down the rev limit for reliability, and you could get quite a bit of power to boot.

Even if they just updated the F20C I'm sure they could get 300hp and an extra 500rpm.
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They can't update it. As Honda said before, the F20C was already maxed out to the limit. The only way go get more power is to either enlarge the engine to 2.3 or more liters. About your comment about getting more revs out, they won't. No one in the world would want a car to rev that high and usually if a car can go that high, it comes with low torque. They need to make the engine bigger. 125 HP per liter is pretty decent already.
 
Which is why they, like every other manufacturer, is moving towards turbocharging. Same power, more efficiency and more flexibility.
 
If they can't update it then they can just make a new design.
And I would want a car to rev that high, I-4 engines that rev to 9 and above sound amazing.
And torque doesn't matter in a sportscar.

They're not going to do that, but it would be nice to see. Even if sticking a turbo on it would result in a damn fast car.
 
Bopop4
Even if they just updated the F20C I'm sure they could get 300hp and an extra 500rpm.
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The motor is rated at just over 240hp as is, you are talking about nearly 25% increase in power...do you have a clue as to how massive an "upgrade" that would be?
 
MustangManiac
The motor is rated at just over 240hp as is, you are talking about nearly 25% increase in power...do you have a clue as to how massive an "upgrade" that would be?
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Mitsubishi and Subaru have to turbocharged their cars to get that power, n/a engine is impossible
 
MustangManiac
The motor is rated at just over 240hp as is, you are talking about nearly 25% increase in power...do you have a clue as to how massive an "upgrade" that would be?
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Yes, that is why I know that they will never make it, but it's a cool thought.
 
alexlam24
Mitsubishi and Subaru have to turbocharged their cars to get that power, n/a engine is impossible
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Lol, the Honda aftermarket would like a word with you. For a factory-built engine it would be a tad on the extreme side, but definitely not impossible.

400+ hp natually aspirated F22A (dyno). It's got like 17:1 compression and is no longer a 2.2, but start from an F20C and you can more easily get 300hp. Honda themselves seem to have taken a liking to Bisimoto, with their recent 500hp+ CR-Z (hybrid functions still work) and 1000hp Civic projects.
 
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A 300hp turbo Civic would be a nightmare. How are you going to get traction?
 
He was talking about if Honda made a new S2000. 300hp is pretty much right on the money for a RWD sports car of this size. Personally, I think they should call it an S3000 and stick a J-series V6 in there. Keep it naturally aspirated and high revving.
 
homeforsummer
Clever engineering.
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Lets hope. Also don't forget that Honda has been turboing (word?) their watercraft for about 10 years now.
 
ZohsixGT5
A 300hp turbo Civic would be a nightmare. How are you going to get traction?
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Great tuning of course, I once watched on Best Motoring from the late 90's, a Top Fuel tuned "Zero 1000" EK9 Civic with 388ps K3T turbocharged VTEC 1.8L stroked engine, custom ATS LSD and 953kg. It was awesome.
 
R1600Turbo
You do know that Honda recently had a production turbocharged vehicle, correct?
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Yes I know about the acura turbo but I would just hate to see the actual honda brand going turbo
 
CyborgGT
He was talking about if Honda made a new S2000. 300hp is pretty much right on the money for a RWD sports car of this size. Personally, I think they should call it an S3000 and stick a J-series V6 in there. Keep it naturally aspirated and high revving.
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Yes now that's what kinda stuff I wanna see from them :)
 
2 quick points about the S2000

1. Recently it was named the most reliable car in the uk in a fairly large survey despite revving to 9000rpm!

2. The engine was never 'downgraded' to only rev to 8000rpm, the US models got a larger 2.2 version which revved to 8000rpm around 2004 as they wanted more torque. The other markets kept the 2.0 engine and its wonderful 9000rpm right until its demise.
 
takatasan
Yes I know about the acura turbo but I would just hate to see the actual honda brand going turbo
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Why would someone hate that? Turbocharging has been in the company for a long time. Nobody really praises Vtec anymore, it's been done and pretty much perfected.

Let Honda tackle something new or at least try a different route.
 
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