Honda NSX Type R 92' vs. Honda NSX Type R 02'

[Ravens_Boi]

I've been playing GT6 for about a month now and Im pretty decent for just one month on GT6 but I was wondering which of these 2 is the fastest???!!! I race at 500pp......

 

[Winters Noble]

I would definitely say the nsx-r '02. It's one of those cars that has ridiculous grip when matched against standard counterparts. I used to drive both frequently throughout my runs from Gt5 to now, and with the NA2 you're able to keep on the throttle more often. However, I prefer the looks of the NA1 type R and it's still a worthy contender.

 

[Ravens_Boi]

I would definitely say the nsx-r '02. It's one of those cars that has ridiculous grip when matched against standard counterparts. I used to drive both frequently throughout my runs from Gt5 to now, and with the NA2 you're able to keep on the throttle more often. However, I prefer the looks of the NA1 type R and it's still a worthy contender.

Thankyou so much for this info I'm going to drive both hard tonight to see which better suits me! I drove the 92' around some last night and got pretty decent times with it.......I think the 92' type r has a little bit more hp if I'm not mistaken???!!!

 

[SolidSnake7735]

The NA1 has a meatier power band as it only has 5 ratios through which it can lay it down. The NA2 can be temperamental coming out of corners, just as the NA1, but revving higher and having one more ratio it can be controlled better.

Also, the NA2 has an incredible amount of front-end grip and stability for being a mid-engined car.

 

[Ravens_Boi]

The NA1 has a meatier power band as it only has 5 ratios through which it can lay it down. The NA2 can be temperamental coming out of corners, just as the NA1, but revving higher and having one more ratio it can be controlled better.

Also, the NA2 has an incredible amount of front-end grip and stability for being a mid-engined car.

Sounds like the NA2 is winning so far lol......off the line which is faster? Or does that depend on your transmission setup???

 

[SolidSnake7735]

Sounds like the NA2 is winning so far lol......off the line which is faster? Or does that depend on your transmission setup???

Hmm, I'm not too sure. Stock vs. Stock, the NA2 outperforms it's older brother in every way.

But at 500PP, and considering both cars are fully lightened, I think (not 100% sure) that the older car has about 20-30 more horsepower.

Check for yourself, of course.

But because the newer car has wider tires and other mechanical improvements to affect its handling, it can attain higher PP with less power.

 

[Ravens_Boi]

Hmm, I'm not too sure. Stock vs. Stock, the NA2 outperforms it's older brother in every way.

But at 500PP, and considering both cars are fully lightened, I think (not 100% sure) that the older car has about 20-30 more horsepower.

Check for yourself, of course.

But because the newer car has wider tires and other mechanical improvements to affect its handling, it can attain higher PP with less power.

Yes it does your pretty much dead on!!! But I'm guessing more hp doesn't necessarily means it faster???

 

[SolidSnake7735]

Yes it does your pretty much dead on!!! But in guessing more hp doesn't necessarily means it faster???

The NA2 has better aerodynamics. Given both cars have same weight and power, the newer car will outperform the older one. More downforce, less drag.

At the same PP, though, the newer car will most likely accelerate better, but only slightly. The older car would have a higher top speed, drag-limited, but would take longer getting there even with more powers due to the longer gears.

 

[Frenzyhero]

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[Ravens_Boi]

The 02 is better, it just has more grip, but the 92 has less PP, meaning you can tune it a bit better. I think it depends on the course, I get varying times across the board, but 02 usually comes out on top. I find the 02 has much better braking, so it runs better in stop-go courses like Motegi. That's also a sign of it's superior downforce. The extra grip just makes it feel better everywhere.


But that's all dependent on how you tune your transmission. Wider gears can even be more beneficial in technical courses since you spend less time shifting, this is especially apparent on uphill.
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As for acceleration, what RPM do you guys shift at? Just checking, since I shift at redline and 8k with the 92 and 02, respectively.

I pretty sure I shift close to redline or when the indicator starts to blink! Is that the wrong way to shift or do I need to look at the graph to see when the car has the most power on the power band to know when to shift? I'm pretty new as you can see but I am so eager to learn because just after a month I can run 1:24's at trail mountain at 500pp and deep forest I can run 1:14's.......so Thankyou for helping me I need to know as much info as I can

 

[Ravens_Boi]

The 02 is better, it just has more grip, but the 92 has less PP, meaning you can tune it a bit better. I think it depends on the course, I get varying times across the board, but 02 usually comes out on top. I find the 02 has much better braking, so it runs better in stop-go courses like Motegi. That's also a sign of it's superior downforce. The extra grip just makes it feel better everywhere.


But that's all dependent on how you tune your transmission. Wider gears can even be more beneficial in technical courses since you spend less time shifting, this is especially apparent on uphill.
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As for acceleration, what RPM do you guys shift at? Just checking, since I shift at redline and 8k with the 92 and 02, respectively.

thankyou for your input and may I ask why do you shift around 8k & redline? Is that where those 2 cars are particularly the strongest at (Powerband)???

 

[Frenzyhero]

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[Venari]

Skylines. Say no more.

 

[Ravens_Boi]

Skylines. Say no more.

 

[Ravens_Boi]

Which one and do you have a tune for it???

 

[Venari]

Okay, I should clarify. The R32/R33 stock Skylines, and the NISMO 400R. They are examples of engines which have a really high redline, but need gearchanges much earlier in stock form. I think the redline is >8k, and you don't get much more out of changing after 6750rpms. I await someone running the game to tell me that's rubbish, of course. Oddly enough, the 1970 Skyline welcomes shifting 500rpm before the redline too.

Couple of other examples off the top of my head... '87 Lotus Esprit Turbo, the mark 1 MR2s... just have a look at the power curves in setup. If they fall off a cliff, then estimate where before the redline it is, and try shifting earlier. (It's not easy because the scale is rubbish.)

 

[JayRS200]

RS200 is another one where the power drops off at high revs.

 

[rosckolove]

I swear I get better results shifting a bit early in the RX7 Spirit R. But only in the later gear changes 4 - 6th. Someone made a mile long straight test track which is useful for testing gear changes. You can run against your ghost and instantly see the effects.

 

[Ravens_Boi]

Most cars shift at redline, but there are exceptions. For example, some Imprezas have an extreme power drop off after around 7k (in Gran Turismo, at least). Just experiment, it'll click.

Shifting right when the power drops off isn't a bad idea, but you're looking to average the most power. I don't have the numbers in front of me, so I'll use (very basic) hypotheticals.

Say my car makes 200hp at 7k RPM, 300 at 8k , then drops off and makes 270 at 9k. Say when I shift at 9k, that puts me at 7500rpm, and if I shift at 8k, it puts me at 6500rpm. So if I shift at 9k, I'd spend more time making more power. Of course this varies greatly between the engine and gearing, so it's hard to say.


As to why, it was just feel. Running time attacks on a course, I kept shifting at different points, and in the NSX's case, I saw even though I could rev to ~9800rpm (with tuning), shifting at ~8k RPM gave better results, and so on. You can figure this stuff mathematically, but you could just drive the car until you feel it.
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You'd probably be better off reading a book than listening to me, though. I can only give basic information.

I think understand better now with your analogy, so I'm definitely going to try this tonight and see what feels better or gives me better results! Thankyou

I swear I get better results shifting a bit early in the RX7 Spirit R. But only in the later gear changes 4 - 6th. Someone made a mile long straight test track which is useful for testing gear changes. You can run against your ghost and instantly see the effects.

I swear I get better results shifting a bit early in the RX7 Spirit R. But only in the later gear changes 4 - 6th. Someone made a mile long straight test track which is useful for testing gear changes. You can run against your ghost and instantly see the effects.

where is this track located?

 

[Frenzyhero]

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[Aki Ko]

Okay, I should clarify. The R32/R33 stock Skylines, and the NISMO 400R. They are examples of engines which have a really high redline, but need gearchanges much earlier in stock form. I think the redline is >8k, and you don't get much more out of changing after 6750rpms. I await someone running the game to tell me that's rubbish, of course. Oddly enough, the 1970 Skyline welcomes shifting 500rpm before the redline too.

I have a R32 set up for 500PP with a little bit of a power bump, but it's not essential go up to the redline. Most of the power ranges from 6K (building up) to 7.5k (near it's peak) with the redline being around 8k. I don't have tons of power however because I put more emphasis on 50/50 weight distribution, gearing, suspension, and the AWD set-up- the handling. It's pretty solid in the corners, but it can't hold a candle to the speed of other certain cars.