How American is your car?

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I think think of three members out of the whole community that seem to have a problem with me, everyone else just ignores me if I say something they don't like. Really it's the internet, calm down. You claimed your car was this ultra American made thing and I called you on it, it's no big deal really. Just laugh it off and go...ya whatever I was joking.
 
JCE3000GT,
You will note that I said American Trucks are the best products of the American automakers.

Blazin' is back after more than a year's absence. He was also considered a respected "old timer" here. Cut him some slack. He came back on the defensive, as he was called on just about everything he said "back in the day".
There were those that would argue with him when he said the sky was blue.

Under those circumstances I'd be pretty defensive too.
Oh, BTW, if Blazin is firing shots across GM's "bow" I'd listen. Most of his family, including him works or worked for GM.

Please just ease up. GTP is, above all else, a friendly, helpful kind of place.

As for beaters, no one said they were bad. Just about everyone here that drives, started with a beater, or "winter rat" of some sort.

As for current cars: it kinda sucks that my '05 Excursion has a retail resale value of about half of what I paid for it, even though it has less than 20K miles on it.
If you go look at a European or Japanese SUV with of the same vintage with three times the mileage, it will have a resale of at least 2/3 of the MSRP.
Not that big E is for sale. I'm keeping her for another 10 years or so. And I'm pretty satisfied with the vehicle.
But, IMHO the UAW is pretty much responsible for American Auto companies needing to "outsource" production to stay even slightly competetive.
 
Thanks Gil, I can always count on you to know what's up 👍.

But, IMHO the UAW is pretty much responsible for American Auto companies needing to "outsource" production to stay even slightly competetive.

I couldn't agree with you more, then build cars with half a heart and take no pride in what they do. They also ask for some insane amount of pay which does not match the work that they do. If you did away with the UAW the American auto companies would have more money to sink into R&D (instead of paying for crazy health care costs) and they would build a better product. But then again if you did away with the UAW a lot of people would be out of a job...either way Michigan gets the short end of the stick, I can't wait to move away from here.
 
Gil

As for current cars: it kinda sucks that my '05 Excursion has a retail resale value of about half of what I paid for it, even though it has less than 20K miles on it.
If you go look at a European or Japanese SUV with of the same vintage with three times the mileage, it will have a resale of at least 2/3 of the MSRP.

Well, I can answer the problem right there. One, it is an Excursion, the largest SUV ever produced by an American automotive manufacturer. Two, it is said to get the worst MPG in anything outside of some outrageous supercar, thats going to kill resale value, big time.

...If Toyota made an SUV that large that got 10-14 MPG on a good day, trust me, their resale values would be in the dumps too...

On a similar side-note to counter-example, the value of my Volkswagen ('96 Wolfsburg) shot up by nearly a $1000 during that $3.00+ per gallon 'gas crisis' we had last summer, and I was so tempted to sell the car. I would have been able to push it off for nearly $2000 more than I bought it for, but I didn't. Oh well...

Gil
But, IMHO the UAW is pretty much responsible for American Auto companies needing to "outsource" production to stay even slightly competetive.

I don't think there are too many people who would argue against that outside of the UAW members themselves. I can recall a report not too long ago that the average UAW worker was making roughly $27 an hour versus that of the $30 per hour at Toyota, and those few remaining UAW members were upset. I belive the funny part was that the new-hires at GM that were non-union were also making more money than the average UAW worker, which beggs the question, why be a member?

...Its an old tradition that has outlasted the benefits, and beyond that, the UAW has a whole represents little of what it once did. With teachers unions, banking unions, and even grocery unions now a part of the UAW, how can it truly represent the workers that they are supposed to?

Get rid of the UAW, pay workers a fair-wage, give them a reasonable pension and medical option, and most people will be happy. Beyond that, make employees responsible for their own job performance, and maybe we'll see quality improve as well.

Personally, I've always found it to be ironic that GM gets blamed for a lot of problems, and yet out of all the American companies, they build the most cars they sell in America, in America. Sure, 100% of the parts aren't made here (technically, thats almost impossible to happen anymore), but the fact that the cars we drive are built by our fellow citizens is indeed important enough.

But as Blazin' said, Michigan is getting screwed in the process. Without a competent government that guarantees certain economic protections, without a reasonable collection of business directors in Detroit, without sympathetic leaders at other global companies, and more importantly without a citizenry that will tough-out these changes... We're doomed to failure.

Business and jobs will continue to head south where taxes are cheap and labor (by comparison) is low. Until then, Michigan will remain connected to the automotive industry in large part, but a greater shift will be made towards high-tech production, innovation, medical research, and service sector jobs. We have to accept change, it was bound to happen sometime...
 
Frankly I would like to see a change sooner rather then later in Michigan and the automotive industry, every day that passes the hole gets slightly deeper and slightly harder to crawl back out of.
 
It depends on what company you're talking about. General Motors appears to be on the right path, and Ford still seems to be deciding on where it is going, but has made headway no less. Chrysler is in trouble, no doubts there. If Chrysler tanks, we're screwed. There isn't any way around that one...
 
Someone will buy out Chrysler--problem is the product will get worse.
 
Well, I can answer the problem right there. One, it is an Excursion, the largest SUV ever produced by an American automotive manufacturer. Two, it is said to get the worst MPG in anything outside of some outrageous supercar, thats going to kill resale value, big time.

...If Toyota made an SUV that large that got 10-14 MPG on a good day, trust me, their resale values would be in the dumps too...

Ah, But my "Big E" is not gas powered. It is a turbodiesel. It gets 14 mpg running around town. It has gotten as high as 20 mpg on the road (per the computer, which really means aobut 17mpg) I really don't think thats too bad for an 8,000 lb SUV.:sly:
I imagine that if I drove it daily it would get better mileage as I got it broken in.
Every thousand miles I travel, the fuel economy gets better.

I often wish I had the wherewithal to produce my own biodiesel. It would cut my fuel cost for that monster by about 75%
 
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