How can you tell if someone is a good driver?

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I can tell someone is a good driver when they can adapt and learn a car or track they've never used before within a few minutes and can still post a decent time the first lap. How can you tell?
 
When they don't use Skid Recovery Force

When they'd rather take 2nd place than make a dirty pass on you

When they know races aren't won in the first corner

When you lose control in front of them, they brake instead of ramming past you

When they crash you out, they pull over and let you go ahead of them

When they use a similar class car everyone else is using; i.e not pulling out an R35 when everyones in GT500 cars
 
seanneedscar
When they don't use Skid Recovery Force

When they'd rather take 2nd place than make a dirty pass on you

When they know races aren't won in the first corner

When you lose control in front of them, they brake instead of ramming past you

When they crash you out, they pull over and let you go ahead of them

When they use a similar class car everyone else is using; i.e not pulling out an R35 when everyones in GT500 cars
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(I would also say they have the ability to learn different driving lines to either improve lap times or construct an overtaking attempt.)
 
Generally, if they're ahead of me and they haven't run me off the track, they must be a good driver.
 
When they have one of these,
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beside their screen name.
 
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Good does not mean fast or quick, good comprises of many qualities, I would rather define good as respectful, clean, fair, honest and courteous when on track ( racing or not ). Any driver who have these qualities, regardless if they are slow or fast or use SRF, TCS or ABS, or have racing soft on their cars, they are good in my book.

What's the point if you are talented, quick to adapt, and have the pace of GTA finalists but drives/races like a dick on the track ....
 
Ridox2JZGTE
Good does not mean fast or quick, good comprises of many qualities, I would rather define good as respectful, clean, fair, honest and courteous when on track ( racing or not ). Any driver who have these qualities, regardless if they are slow or fast or use SRF, TCS or ABS, or have racing soft on their cars, they are good in my book.

What's the point if you are talented, quick to adapt, and have the pace of GTA finalists but drives/races like a dick on the track ....
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You don't have to be a good racer to be a good driver.
 
Carbonox
And being a good driver doesn't necessarily mean one is a good racer.
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You need to be good driver to be good racer, it's a step up :) There are good racer who are not really a good driver, they are worth nothing IMO. They may posts fastest time because they have faster ride or their sheer talent, won many races, but their on and off track behavior sucks ( threatening words and actions, dirty moves, cheating ), no respect given.

In my book, any good driver is a good racer, good racer means able to race clean, fair and courteous. It does not matter if they are in top 3 or 10 or last row of finish, if they drove like a gentlemen, they deserve respect and admirable sportsmanship. There's only one winner if every race, and not all winners are good driver or racer. But those who are behind the winner, as long as they raced clean and fair, they are all good racer as they are good driver.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
Good does not mean fast or quick, good comprises of many qualities, I would rather define good as respectful, clean, fair, honest and courteous when on track ( racing or not ). Any driver who have these qualities, regardless if they are slow or fast or use SRF, TCS or ABS, or have racing soft on their cars, they are good in my book.
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That would be a general description of good sportsmanship.
I think that for deserving to be called a good driver, some driving skills are required as well.
 
eran0004
That would be a general description of good sportsmanship.
I think that for deserving to be called a good driver, some driving skills are required as well.
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As long as he's not ramming, brake checking, weaving/blocking, able to lap consistently without often involved in incidents, and of course he can slide or go off track or make mistakes at times ( no one is perfect ) - good driver. My main concern is driver attitude and behavior.

We can't judge someone is worth to be called good driver with lap times or race finish position.

How do we define driving skills ? No assist driving -most uses ABS ? Lap time benchmark ? Lower grip tires on high power cars - most uses sports or racing tire ? All of these takes skills to drive without incident, not necessarily have to lap with world record times. I say if one can drive clean in a tight race, regardless of aids used or tires, he deserved the good driver name.

Skilled driver is a good name for the aliens and time trial winners, fast/quick driver is another name for those who often wins races, and good driver could be anyone.
 
eran0004
That would be a general description of good sportsmanship.
I think that for deserving to be called a good driver, some driving skills are required as well.
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I think the driving skills required for a good driver are more to do with driving cleanly than driving quickly.
Maybe we need to think of some definitions here:
- A good driver is a driver who follows good racecraft.
- A fast driver is a driver who consistently applies good racing techniques.
- A good racer is a driver who possesses both of these qualities, knowing when to apply either technique or racecraft.
 
Good driver?

How much would you trust them?
If you went for a bold "around the outside" pass
1 - Do they give you the room on the exit
2 - Do they drift out wide and push you off the track?

A great driver can still trip over a noob (Fast or slow) - The trick is to understand the abilities of each other. This is pretty easy with spec racing same sort of cars. but gets way harder if you alter the cars/tyres each driver is in/using.

A Fast guy in a Slow car and a Slower guy in a Faster car can be great fun for both - if they are aware of each others abilities and adapt to them.

Above all good drivers try to avoid at all costs wrecking themselves or anyone on the track.
If a move is too dangerous they will hold fire, and wait to pass you someplace else. Play peek-a-bo in the mirrors.

Mutual trust - You trust them not to ruin your race, and they trust you not to block,weave or force a crash.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
You need to be good driver to be good racer, it's a step up :) There are good racer who are not really a good driver, they are worth nothing IMO. They may posts fastest time because they have faster ride or their sheer talent, won many races, but their on and off track behavior sucks ( threatening words and actions, dirty moves, cheating ), no respect given.

In my book, any good driver is a good racer, good racer means able to race clean, fair and courteous. It does not matter if they are in top 3 or 10 or last row of finish, if they drove like a gentlemen, they deserve respect and admirable sportsmanship. There's only one winner if every race, and not all winners are good driver or racer. But those who are behind the winner, as long as they raced clean and fair, they are all good racer as they are good driver.
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I do all of the above of which I quoted. I am a very clean and respectable driver, but I am neither a good driver or good racer even considering that I practice good racecraft. All I am is a average time trialer.

Not taking exception to your post Rido, just pointing out my own personal case. When I'm alone on the track, I'm in my own little enjoyable world. Put me on the track with other cars, and I'll immediately drop to the back as not to get in anyones way as I simply can't negotiate in a crowd. My D3 Gold status means nothing really, just that I can hot lap a track.....and personally, a monkey can do that.
 
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seanneedscar
when they don't use skid recovery force

when they'd rather take 2nd place than make a dirty pass on you

when they know races aren't won in the first corner

when you lose control in front of them, they brake instead of ramming past you

when they crash you out, they pull over and let you go ahead of them

when they use a similar class car everyone else is using; i.e not pulling out an r35 when everyones in gt500 cars
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I couldn't agree more.
 
... No comment, Crunch. I'll continue to steer clear of your lobbies, thanks. The friends you chose to have choose to brake on the exit of the corner, after dive-bombing.




And someone who is a good racer: someone who can draft without forgetting that their car is going 10-20 km/h faster, and that they need to slow down those 10-20 km/h for the corners. I love the guys who forget that drafting makes them faster on the straights, but don't consider how it affects the next corner.

Why?

It's because they're always last, taken straight off of the track by someone who actually is a good racer, and knows how to trick the bad drivers with good racecraft. :lol: Good racecraft will lead to race wins, more often, since you're staying on the track more consistently.


Among other things:

-slow in, fast out
-make the pass on the straights
-draft for the pass
-brake earlier than the guy in front, so that you can accelerate sooner
-two wide through a corner slows you down, so why do it?
-jumping the race start will cause more crashes
-not being on the chat menu in the middle of the track on a standing start
-not stalling on the standing start
-running the correct horsepower/weight
-accepting defeat



... A lot of those are either common knowledge, good sportsmanship, or a total shift in the psychological thinking of other drivers.
 
Quite an insightful thread, considering my position on the matter.
I hardly ever win races due to my driving style. No matter what race I'm in, I have the habit of treating it like an endurance race. I drive as smoothly as I can hitting marks without dropping any tires off track and making very consistent laps, but not fast laps. I'll always end up finishing mid-pack most of the time, because I don't want to push more to that very edge where the leaders are. I might sound silly but I don't like going so fast, because I don't like how it looks to see occasional tire smoke or dirt kicked up and seeing the car all jittery.
 
Haha, in anything with less that 475 pp, it is much faster not to touch the grass/sand.

Of course, question is how do you do rallys in that situation?
 
How they manage their line, like going outside to let faster cars through, or being able to go two wide through curves without colliding or going off track
 
They must have these qualities:
They use the brake
If they spin you, they'll wait for you to go in front of them
If you crash, they won't just ram into you
If they lose, they would cuss everyone out
If they're behind, they don't rage quit
They never use Racing Soft tires
They use fair cars (compared to everyone else's)
When their TCS and SRF is off
 

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