How Do You Get Mph Anyways?

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Don't get me wrong, gt3 is a brilliant game apart from 2 things: it is in km/h and there are hardly any cars.

is there ANY way you can get it in mph? it would be really good if i could actually tell how fast i was going :):lol::)
 
Despite what you may have read somewhere, it is NOT possible to change from mph to km/h. Only in GT4 can we do this. Where do you live?

edit: oh duhh...England. :dunce:
 
It's certainly not possibly to change between the units, but if you're willing to start from scratch I can give you a gamesave which will work on PAL machines but give mph (and one which will work on NTSC machines and give km/h).
 
gt4 addict
lol kk thanks anyway

aww well ill just stick to gt4;)
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Seriously, if you want to GT3 in mph, post me your memory card - it'll mean starting from the beginning again but GT3 doesn't take so long to complete that it's too much of a trial.
 
breakpoint
Not allot of cars? Has plenty for this fat kid to be happy :)
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GT3 actually has a lot of cars...more than GT1, more than a lot of other games....it's just that (for me) there are so many that are missing....all the classics & muscle are back in GT4, for instance. There's more than one Mustang for instance....more than one BMW, etc.

Plus, as a tech-hed, the ability to switch from mph to km/h or from bhp to ps is pretty cool, even if I personally never use these features except at the start of my game, it's cool to know the're available.

....now it sounds like I'm knocking GT3...that's not the case.
 
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If you look at when the game was made and look at the other racing games at that time GT3 has a TON of cars compared to them. Also the graphics were miles ahead of the others. It wouldn't be cool if i only had km/h since i grew up here in the states using mph. I have used it before just trying to get used to the conversion in my head since the us starting pushing everyone to the metric system slowly. Its like a scene from They Live, they are just trying to slowly slide it in like nobody catches it.....lol. I will have a.....uumm.....a Royal with cheese :)
 
breakpoint
If you look at when the game was made and look at the other racing games at that time GT3 has a TON of cars compared to them. Also the graphics were miles ahead of the others. It wouldn't be cool if i only had km/h since i grew up here in the states using mph. I have used it before just trying to get used to the conversion in my head since the us starting pushing everyone to the metric system slowly. Its like a scene from They Live, they are just trying to slowly slide it in like nobody catches it.....lol. I will have a.....uumm.....a Royal with cheese :)
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I remember being a kid in the '70s :scared: back when some people were saying Americans were gonna convert to metric. Well, it hasn't happened on a grand scale, but in a lot of little ways it is prevalent.

Like for instance....back in the day when you asked someone how big their engine is, they used to say "it's got a 350" meaning 350 cubic inches. Nowadays, it's just as likely (if not more likely) you'd instead get an answer "it's got the 5.7" meaning 5.7 liters. :confused:
 
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When someone asks me i just say small block, then if they ask what size small block i tell them 355. Just saying 5.7 could be a few different sizes because of stroking and bore and all. I only use liters when im talking about something like a civic or such because majority of the time they arent bored or stroked.
 
I prefer using cubic inches if I'm talking about an American engine. Call it habit I guess. It's kind of hard not to if you grew up watching NASCAR races in which every car had its engine size printed up on the hood for all the world to see.

426 CI HEMI

But I usually don't know the size of many foreign engines. If I had to guess the size of a Civic Type R engine in cubic-inches on the spot I wouldn't be able to do it.
 
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how about a 426 hemi with a six pack on it.
Liters and CM confuses me, I like CI(cubic inch) better. It is what I grew up with.
 
breakpoint
When someone asks me i just say small block, then if they ask what size small block i tell them 355. Just saying 5.7 could be a few different sizes because of stroking and bore and all. I only use liters when im talking about something like a civic or such because majority of the time they arent bored or stroked.
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That... doesn't make any sense.

A 5.7 litre engine can be from 5,651cc to 5,749cc. It's always between those two extremes. A 355ci engine can be from 354.5ci to 355.4ci. It's always between those two extremes. Capacity is bore x stroke x cylinders. If you increase the bore or stroke, you increase the capacity. If the capacity increases beyond the stated extremes then the designation of the engine changes. And since it'd require a maximum of 14cc to change a 355 to a 356 it makes even less sense to use the finer measuring system to refer to an engine more likely to be changed.


phone - How can litres and centimetres be confusing? 100cm = 1 metre. 1cm x 1cm x 1cm = 1cc (cubic centimetres/cm^3/millilitres/ml). 1,000cc = 1 litre. It's all a matter of factors of 10.

Parnelli - About 122ci, I think.
 
I always called V8s in cubic inches. Growing up in the seventies did that for me. I've always used the Ford 302 as a reference for conversion to metric because it's real close to 5 liters. My first car was a Datsun 510 with a 1600cc engine. It must have been a requirement for importation because the VIN badge has the displacement expressed as 98 cubic inches. Fours and Sixes; I'm more interested in knowing the displacement in Liters.

I remember when they were pushing Metrics, you would see road signs saying "Think Metric! 1 Mile = 1.62 Kilometers"

Someday it'll catch on.....
 
Famine
That... doesn't make any sense.
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I know that a 355 is 5.82 liters, but in any circle if someone asks you hey what you got and you reply with, ive got a 5.82 liter under the hood they are going to ask you what in the world you are talking about. Its easier to say, either 355 or 5.7. Im a mechanic and ive been racing for years, i was just putting it in a easy way and also trying to get the point delivered that nobody understands liters in america because we don't use the metric system.

426 hemi, 6.98 liters

1.3 Civic engine, is 79.33 CI

Oh and also adding a six pack carb has nothing to do with displacement phone:idea:
 
breakpoint
I know that a 355 is 5.82 liters, but in any circle if someone asks you hey what you got and you reply with, ive got a 5.82 liter under the hood they are going to ask you what in the world you are talking about.
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This I understand.

I don't understand why it has anything to do with boring and stroking an engine, since doing that changes the capacity.
 
Well if you bore a 350 ci small block chevy 0.30 over that will make that 350 ci a 355 ci. 0.30X8=5 ci. By chevy's terms a 355ci small block.

350- 5.73 liters
355-5.82

Boring it 0.30 over changed the capacity, why else would you bore and do work?
 
breakpoint
Well if you bore a 350 ci small block chevy 0.30 over that will make that 350 ci a 355 ci. 0.30X8=5 ci. By chevy's terms a 355ci small block.

350- 5.73 liters
355-5.82

Boring it 0.30 over changed the capacity, why else would you bore and do work?
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Oooookay. You're kinda not getting it.

You said you'd only refer to an engine by ci if it could be bored/stroked, and by cc if it probably wasn't. This is the part that doesn't make any sense - the capacity is the capacity, regardless of whether it has been bored/stroked or not.

In fact you've muddied the issue yet further, since you now say you'd refer to the specific example of bored 350 as a 355, as well as an engine that was originally a 355... I understand that the engines are both the same capacity now, but that isn't the issue - the issue is that you said you'd only refer to an engine by ci if it could be bored/stroked, and by cc if it probably wasn't. Why is it important?
 
Oh ok, you misunderstood me or i put it in a confusing manner. What i meant is this, let me start over. I always give the information as the engines CI if someone asks me what size engine i have in whatever it may be. If they ask what liter i will tell them that also but most of the time its a weird liter and they look at me like im a nut because they say ive never heard of that. Of course you haven't, thats because this engine is 0.40 over or whatever it may be so the liter changes to some odd number, so its easier just to say its a 350 or 355 or whatever then engine may be. The reason i refer to engines by CI if they are bored and such is because the CI changes! When dealing with americans and american cars most people would not have a clue what you are talking about if you told them the CC of the engine. This is why i use CI on american cars. As far as not using CI for the imports is because most of the time like i said they arent changed in CI from the factory so its easier to just say the liter of it. It breaks down to most people that deal in import performance use the liter terms and most people in muscle cars deal with the CI terms. I mean how many small blocks do you see that aren't bored out?
 
Famine
This I understand.

I don't understand why it has anything to do with boring and stroking an engine, since doing that changes the capacity.
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We're talking about convenience, basically.

Like if you're chatting with someone in a casual manner and you say "nice T-Bird...what's she got in there?" Well, most people would just say "it's got the 280". Meaning 280 cubic-inches. Or some folks would say "it's got the 4.6" meaning 4.6 liters.

But if that engine has been bored out or something, and someone wants to express on-the-spot which engine is in there, the answer might still be "4.6 liters". Nobody's gonna sit there and go "well she's got 4.67532 liters".

But since cubic-inches are a finer system of measurement, one can say "it used to be a 280, but i've bored it so it's now a 282" or whatever.

In discussing displacement size in liters in a casual manner, people often use estimates.
 
Parnelli Bone
We're talking about convenience, basically.

Like if you're chatting with someone in a casual manner and you say "nice T-Bird...what's she got in there?" Well, most people would just say "it's got the 280". Meaning 280 cubic-inches. Or some folks would say "it's got the 4.6" meaning 4.6 liters.

But if that engine has been bored out or something, and someone wants to express on-the-spot which engine is in there, the answer might still be "4.6 liters". Nobody's gonna sit there and go "well she's got 4.67532 liters".
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That'd be a 4.7...

And would you seriously bore out an engine by 9ml per cylinder?
 
Famine
That'd be a 4.7...

And would you seriously bore out an engine by 9ml per cylinder?
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I'm talking hypothetically. I'm talking casually. You mods have to take everything so serious. :ouch:
 
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Parnelli Bone
i'm talking hypothetically. I'm talking casually. You mods have to take everything so serious. :ouch:
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I'm talking reality.

When someone asks your engine size, do you say "A 282", or "A bored 280"? Do you say "A 4.7" or "A bored 4.6"?


I understand your preference for Imperial - I do, after all, live in the UK.
 
When someone asks me what engine i have i tell them, i have a 355! I don't say i have a 350, but its not anymore. I just say 355...thats it....subject closed....i have a engine.
 
Famine
I'm talking reality.

When someone asks your engine size, do you say "A 282", or "A bored 280"? Do you say "A 4.7" or "A bored 4.6"?
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By "casual" I meant two guys standing around shooting the you-know-what. Beers in hand, etc. These guys might say "it's got a 280 in there" but they would not say "it's got a 4.590 in there..they'll round it up to 4.6 because it's convenient.



When talking standard cubic-inches, we Americans have a tendency to answer specifically. When talking liters, there is some leeway and so we make an estimate. You pointed this out earlier...an engine with a metric displacement of 2.3 liters (for instance) could actually be 2,345 cc's, but most people aren't gonna say "it's got a 2.345"...they'll round it down to 2.3 because it's more convenient to say so.

But yes, we'd also commonly say "it's got a bored 4.6" or "it's been bored from 4.6 to 4.7" if that's the case.

I got my math wrong earlier, you're right, that would be 4.7 liters. But I'm not sitting here with a calculator, that's why I'm talking hypothetically.

To your earlier question: Would I bore an engine 9ml per cylinder? I don't know. Honestly I've never bored an engine, I don't know what the typical standards are, nor am I claiming to know them. I'm learning as I go, basically.

HTH


I understand your preference for Imperial - I do, after all, live in the UK.
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naturally.
 
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Parnelli Bone
But since cubic-inches are a finer system of measurement
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I'd just like to grab this one too...

Since ci is stated to three significant figures, you're right it's a finer system than litres which is stated to two significant figures. Run the both to the same standard though, and litres is finer...

3.0 litres = 2,950 - 3,049cc = 99cc spread
180ci to 2sf = 175 - 184ci = 9ci/147cc spread

183ci = 182.5 - 183.4ci = 0.9ci/14.7cc spread
2.99 litres to 3sf = 2,985 - 2,994cc = 9cc spread
 
Famine
I'd just like to grab this one too...

Since ci is stated to three significant figures, you're right it's a finer system than litres which is stated to two significant figures. Run the both to the same standard though, and litres is finer...

3.0 litres = 2,950 - 3,049cc = 99cc spread
180ci to 2sf = 175 - 184ci = 9ci/147cc spread

183ci = 182.5 - 183.4ci = 0.9ci/14.7cc spread
2.99 litres to 3sf = 2,985 - 2,994cc = 9cc spread
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I see. But do you understand where breakpoint & I are coming from? I'm using the point of view of two dudes discussing cars in a very non-technical matter. How would these two beer-drinking guys who just got off work at the sawmill communicate to each other about what's under the hood? What terms would they use?

You, on the other hand, are using the point of view of two mathematicians, perhaps. Or two technical engineers. These two guys don't drink beer. In fact, they don't even drink. And they're very comfortable discussing things in minute detail so far as numbers go. Most people aren't like this...even in car garages like the one I work in.

Most people (when casually mentioning engine size) are forced to round off a size when discussing liters, but they'll be more specific when quoting cubic-inches. :)
 
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Parnelli Bone
I see. But do you understand where breakpoint & i are coming from? I'm using the point of view of 2 dudes discussing cars in a very non-technical matter. How would these 2 beer-drinking guys who just got off work at the sawmill communicate to each other about what's under the hood? What terms would they use?

You, on the other hand, are using the point of view of 2 mathemeticians, perhaps. Or 2 technical engineers. These 2 guys don't drink beer. In fact, they dont' even drink. And they're very comfortable discussing things in minute detail so far as numbers go. Most people aren't like this...even in car garages like the one i work in.

Most people (when casually mentioning engine size) are forced to round off a size when discussing liters, but they'll be more specific when quoting cubic-inches. :)
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Ford sell a 1.25 litre engine, badged and branded as such, in the UK...

I just don't get why someone would want to use ci when there's a possibility the engine has been bored, but litres when there isn't.


I also drink beer. By which I mean beer, not "light ale" or lager. Stuff with bits in it.
 
I think i know the problem we 3 have here. As you just said, "here in the UK". The way cars are done and even talked about are completely different in the UK vs. the USA. So with that being said there is just a barrier that we as in PB and I are just never going to be able to cross to be able to get our point to you because of. All we have done was try to explain how things are talked about here and all, but its seems everytime you would like to try to pick apart how we do it. If you want to speak in liters go ahead thats your pref, we pref to speak in CI's so what exactly is the problem?

Also the reason i would rather use CI like ive said already is because thats just what we use here, its how i grew up and thats why. I also drink beer, and not the lagers and piss water tasting beers that come from this country. Im a guinness stout only man.
 

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