how do you increase drift angle?

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i'm just wondering if it's possible to maintain a controlled drift at extreme angles... and if so, how? i dunno how to describe the angle... like going past perpendicular to the road, or something.

i have an MR-2 GT-S at about 270-330 HP, and i noticed that the drift angles are much smaller compared to everything else. i don't know if it's due to suspension or the mr layout, but because of this i was wondering if it was possible to achieve really large angles.

yea, i'm new, blah blah blah~
 
kainzero
i'm just wondering if it's possible to maintain a controlled drift at extreme angles... and if so, how? i dunno how to describe the angle... like going past perpendicular to the road, or something.

i have an MR-2 GT-S at about 270-330 HP, and i noticed that the drift angles are much smaller compared to everything else. i don't know if it's due to suspension or the mr layout, but because of this i was wondering if it was possible to achieve really large angles.

yea, i'm new, blah blah blah~
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need more horsepower if you wanted more angle have you set the tcs to 0? and the asm to 0?
 
kainzero
i'm just wondering if it's possible to maintain a controlled drift at extreme angles... and if so, how? i dunno how to describe the angle... like going past perpendicular to the road, or something.

i have an MR-2 GT-S at about 270-330 HP, and i noticed that the drift angles are much smaller compared to everything else. i don't know if it's due to suspension or the mr layout, but because of this i was wondering if it was possible to achieve really large angles.

yea, i'm new, blah blah blah~
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Going past perpendicular angle with the road, I think, is impossible. It could possibly done with a 4WD vehicle, but I do not really know much about 4WD drifting because I rarely attempt drifting with any car with a 4WD layout.

But going past a perpendicular angle is, I think, impossible with a car with a FR / MR layout. That's just too much.
 
It's theoretically impossible, because once you pass 90 degrees to the road, you are basically pushing the car backwards if you are pushing on the throttle... with lift off it may be possible, but it would only last a few seconds..
 
MdnIte
It's theoretically impossible, because once you pass 90 degrees to the road, you are basically pushing the car backwards if you are pushing on the throttle... with lift off it may be possible, but it would only last a few seconds..
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I very much agree to your point.

If you are pushing a car past 90 degrees, you are most definately traveling backwards. I once tried pushing an 4WD Evo past 90 degree's once, but 100% of the time, it had caused a spin out.

I have never heard nor seen, someone pushing a car to an extreme angle of that magnitude in a video game and in real life, and I do still think it is impossible.
 
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need more horsepower if you wanted more angle have you set the tcs to 0? and the asm to 0?
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no, you do not need more hp, you probly already have tcs to 0 if you even drift, and asm as well. There is actually a set angle for rear wheel drive cars to maintain throughout the drift and it is nowhere near 90 degrees. Only thing i can think of to increase the angle of a Rear wheel drive car is to practice initiating drifts with higher angles and practicing to counter-steer adjusting to that angle.

now, if you were drifting a 4WD, that would be a whole new story. ;)


edit: ethikz, about that statement of "never seen anyone push to nowhere near 90 degrees"...have you seen some of the vids around here?

for example, Mike's "do you like angle vid" or Silviadrifter's 4WD hybrid on superspeedway, or infact, "project black" vid in my signiture? If you're viewing my vid, take a close look at the black impreza at the apricot hill double apex first 2 turns ;)
 
i did a 270 degree drift with my ZZ-II, however, when i came out of the drift i couldnt straighten out in time to i did a small spin the other way. if i wasnt using 900 degs i could have probably pulled it off.
 
ForcedInduction
edit: ethikz, about that statement of "never seen anyone push to nowhere near 90 degrees"...have you seen some of the vids around here?

for example, Mike's "do you like angle vid" or Silviadrifter's 4WD hybrid on superspeedway, or infact, "project black" vid in my signiture? If you're viewing my vid, take a close look at the black impreza at the apricot hill double apex first 2 turns ;)
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I'll have to look at that. I haven't been on the forums for about a year and I'm a little behind :]

I think I was looking at it, as a real-situation rather than on a PS2 game, so my apologies if my point differs.
 
ethikz
I'll have to look at that. I haven't been on the forums for about a year and I'm a little behind :]

I think I was looking at it, as a real-situation rather than on a PS2 game, so my apologies if my point differs.
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alright, that makes a little more sense. ;)

by the way, you live around 40 mins away from where i live. Ever hear of the city of Fullerton? 👍
 
using an angle beyond perpindicular to the road is uneffective and it further slow you down. the only time you need to do that is one of the tight hairpin turns like in ss11 double hairpins. mantaining any more than 95 degrees drift angle in a corner that doesnt need drifting is unnecessary. but if you do it for show, go for it, it might be possible...havent tried it myself though
 
ForcedInduction
by the way, you live around 40 mins away from where i live. Ever hear of the city of Fullerton? 👍
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Of course I know where Fullerton is. It's where all the parties go down (besides Carson) :cool:
 
ForcedInduction
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need more horsepower if you wanted more angle have you set the tcs to 0? and the asm to 0?
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no, you do not need more hp, you probly already have tcs to 0 if you even drift, and asm as well.
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so maybe > 90 deg is a bit overzealous...

but are there any settings to push the angle closer to 90 deg on a normal turn, or is it all skill-based? will e-braking help?

i know i've hit nearly 90 degrees on the long sweeping turn on Deep Forest after the sorta straightaway... but i think i was driving a CLK 55 on Super Slicks and just trying to maintain control, rather than purposely drifting.
 
IF u are really at the angle u say u are. your at the point of spinning out man, have u made a vid yet? beacuse i would like to see your "90"? angles. or at least a shorty clip
 
RX-7_FC_DrIfteR
IF u are really at the angle u say u are. your at the point of spinning out man, have u made a vid yet? beacuse i would like to see your "90"? angles. or at least a shorty clip
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1: it was nearly a year ago, maybe two, and i didn't save the replay
2: i don't have a video capture card or a digital video camera
3: it was during a real race, the car slipped and i was more or less just trying to maintain control, and i was at the limit of spinning out... in fact i thought i was going to spin out. so it wasn't really "controlled" but more like doing what i could to not spin out.

the reason i asked how to increase drift angle is because my MR2 has really low drift angles. if that is possible, then is really high drift angle possible? is MR just a platform for natrually low drifts, or is it just the MR2, or is it the suspension settings?

and the general consensus on this thread is that only 4WD's can push it that close... but the only time i ever got 4WD's sideways is by using VCD 10% on Evos and Skylines. how would you initiate drifts/increase drift angles for other 4WDs?

i'm really just curious if it is possible. i'm nowhere near acceptable when it comes to tuning the suspension, and i'm wondering if any part of the suspension or even transmission can increase angle/increase control at higher angles. if not >90 (which you guys say is impossible), then maybe closer to 90?
 
OK... I wanted to stay out of this one but this just needs to be cleared up...

the reason i asked how to increase drift angle is because my MR2 has really low drift angles. if that is possible, then is really high drift angle possible? is MR just a platform for natrually low drifts, or is it just the MR2, or is it the suspension settings?
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The MR layout is not well suited for high angle drifts... The engine layout makes for an earlier spin-out point... MR's are all about precise inputs...

the general consensus on this thread is that only 4WD's can push it that close... but the only time i ever got 4WD's sideways is by using VCD 10% on Evos and Skylines. how would you initiate drifts/increase drift angles for other 4WDs?
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10% is not the way to go with AWD's... You might as well just go drift FR's... A VCD setting of 30% to 50% is much more efficient... Don't mix the tires... use little to no countersteer (once the drift has been initiated) until the angle reaches 90 degrees, at which point you will need to start adding countersteer to keep the car from flying off the track...

Drifting AWD's is a completely different experience to that of RWD's...

i'm really just curious if it is possible. i'm nowhere near acceptable when it comes to tuning the suspension, and i'm wondering if any part of the suspension or even transmission can increase angle/increase control at higher angles. if not >90 (which you guys say is impossible), then maybe closer to 90?
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It depends on the drivetrain... FR's and AWD's do well with either of 2 basic settings... 1. You can use a stiffer front suspension than the rear (Example: I use around 12 front 10 rear on most of my FR's or AWD's)... 2. You can use equal front and rear settings (example: 12, 12) which works well with some of my FR's as well as AWD's... It just depnds on the car, and your personal preference...

Here's a good clip of extreme angle... Past 90 degrees at some points...

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=48269


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Omnis
i did a 270 degree drift with my ZZ-II, however, when i came out of the drift i couldnt straighten out in time to i did a small spin the other way. if i wasnt using 900 degs i could have probably pulled it off.
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... 270?

90 : good drift..
180: backwards..
270: wrong direction? :dunce:
 
Personally doing 90 degree drifts is easiest with 4wd, because well it's 4wd. Get a skyline and try it, i've done it before at midfield at the turn right before the 2 carousel. I wish I could be more specific but in reality i know **** about the techs of drifting. Just do it :D
 
360 is just burning out in your reverse gear, haha.

so i saw the AWD speedway video. (nice work =P) one thing that came to my mind is that speedway consists of two banked turns, and you achieved a really good angle on the second turn, which i think has a higher bank angle than the first (don't quote me on it)... which leads to another hypothesis...

do banked turns allow for higher drift angles? i think the deep forest turn has a very high bank angle, as does the trial mountain turn after the straightaway.

just a thought.

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i remember trying to drift a celica GT-FOUR but i couldn't get it sideways until i started really messing with the LSD. is there a minimum HP i should aim for? cuz i was using 300 HP...
 
kainzero
so i saw the AWD speedway video. (nice work =P) one thing that came to my mind is that speedway consists of two banked turns, and you achieved a really good angle on the second turn, which i think has a higher bank angle than the first (don't quote me on it)... which leads to another hypothesis...
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Actually I reached about the same angle on both turns... However, your general hypothesis is correct... The more angled the bank the harder it is for the car to slide away from the apex (backwards), because it has to travel uphill (at varying degrees)... So this allows you to be much more aggressive with your angles...

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i remember trying to drift a celica GT-FOUR but i couldn't get it sideways until i started really messing with the LSD. is there a minimum HP i should aim for? cuz i was using 300 HP...
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This was on sim tires, correct?... Depending on the weight of the vehicle I usually use between 350hp and 500hp (ex. 360hp Audi TT, 560hp Audi S4)... The power to weight ratio is what is important...

I suggest trying the Evo VI TM Edition, or the 22B... Those are probably my favorite AWD's to drift...


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