How do you like your racing?

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How'd ya like ya racing?

  • Anything goes

    Votes: 3 13.0%

  • Rubbing's racing

    Votes: 18 78.3%

  • No contact allowed

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • Total voters
    23
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Watching the Daytona 24hr/500 and Even the Swedish Rally (Sohlberg vs Wilson :D) Does contact have to happen in modern motorsport for overtaking? Does contact make a race more exciting or are you of the mindset that the is no contact in a good overtaking move?
 
Thats 3 different questions there...so 3 answers from me:

1. How do I like my racing? Well I enjoy a wide variety so quite simply if its a motorsport and has an element of interesting competition in it, its all good. I enjoy both contact and reduced-contact motorsports. For the poll, I prefer rubbing. Anything goes is a destruction derby and no contact is normally very dull. Most motorsport governing bodies allow rubbing contacts, even F1.

2. Does contact have to happen for overtaking? Well, without going into detail, quite simply, yes, if you have cars that can take hits without being taken out of the race, then you are going to be getting more close action and more overtaking. Drivers are more likely to take daring moves if they are more confident that they can pull the move off without ending their race or their opponents.
But you can have overtaking without contact, F1 is proof of that despite its reputation. Clean racing is possible. Just that if you make minor contact highly punishable, you start to dissuade the daring overtakes.

3. Does no contact make a good overtaking move? Yes, it is far more impressive to beat someone without having to hit them, as you have not given the other driver an unfair disadvantage, you have used your own skill to overtake. I don't think many people appreciate being shunted or not given racing room, its a sportsmanship thing.
The fact that you have to be more careful to overtake without contact is enough to make it appear to be considerably more skillful than just giving your opponent a nudge off.
 
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Somehow, if one accepts the concept that "rubbing is racing", then they would have called it Rubbing, but they didn't :sly:

The problem lies with the wide separation in views regrding the "degree" of rubbing that is or isn't acceptable. Some guys think that running over someone, putting a front bumper to a rear quarter panel and leaning hard on another is acceptable under these terms. I personally do not 👎

If you can't pass me without disrupting my line with contact, then you simply do not deserve the positiion. Of course I realize that some unintentional rubbing is likely to occur, but one should try to respect their opponent, especially in the virtual world, since no one's livelyhood is connnected to the race outcome ... it's just a game and even more so, a sociological forum of like minded human beings.

If we accept the concept, then it only encourages selfish drivers to intimidate others. As Dale Sr. once said, "I didn't mean to wreck him, just rattle him a bit". The outcome however was that he did indeed wreck him. I know it's a big part of Nascar, but then, Nascar is more about "the Show", than it is about real racing.

Race it "Old School" boyz :sly:
 
I just think that if you're too strict on the drivers that you're going to be discouraging some passing opportunities that said drivers may have took if they weren't so worried about infringing rules.
I agree with those sentiments ANFD, but I think that most of the time you just have to accept some drivers are going to take it too far. Its almost impossible for us to come up with rules and regulations that would allow close racing but no intentional contact. There are several series that have got very close and I think generally most people respect racing room and avoid dirty driving, the minority as usual spoil it.

Its all well and good referring to the "good old days" of racing, but it would be difficult to replicate those circumstances. Back then it wasn't professional nor very popular, safety was such a huge concern that it would be stupid anyway for someone to intentionally attack people. I also think an element of rose-tinted glasses comes into it too, even from people like Stirling Moss, which I don't mean with disrespect, but I think we do tend to forget or just not remember particular things such as every single driver's racing ettiquette in every single race. But I don't profess to be knowledgable on the subject and I don't pretend to know more than afforementioned people, I just think the motorsport of today is totally different to 50 or even 100 years ago and that ideals such as clean racing are far harder to agree to when the level of competition and reward is far higher.
 
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Yeah, it very much depends upon the formula. I think that contact should be tolerated less with the seniority of the series, and tin-tops naturally have more scope for it than open-wheelers.

Adjudication of penalties is always hard, because each case has to be judged on its merits.
 
I agree that it depends on the formula, though at the same time, you find huge amounts of overtaking in single-seaters further down the food chain, such as Formula Ford. They're open-wheeled, but being reasonably low-tech, comparatively slow (they're still bloody quick...) and having no aerodynamic downforce means that drivers can remain nose-to-tail for an entire race. Or they would, if they didn't overtake each other the whole time.

As far as tin-tops go they're a good advocate for contact in racing. It's technically a non-contact sport, but the officials generally give the benefit of the doubt unless contact during a pass was blatant, and then a driver gets punished accordingly. It's probably part of the reason why it's the only 4-wheeled motorsport that I've not lost interest in over the past few years, because it always remains exciting even when the grids have waned occasionally.
 
Hopefully proper application of damage in the full version of GT5 will avoid contact and more clean passes. But so far as real racing it will always be included dependent on rules like vintage or club racing then yeah there would be very stringent rules in contact passing.
 
Ardius
Thats 3 different questions there...so 3 answers from me:

1. How do I like my racing? Well I enjoy a wide variety so quite simply if its a motorsport and has an element of interesting competition in it, its all good. I enjoy both contact and reduced-contact motorsports. For the poll, I prefer rubbing. Anything goes is a destruction derby and no contact is normally very dull. Most motorsport governing bodies allow rubbing contacts, even F1.
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Just a small correction... in F1 rubbing is sometimes alowed and sometimes not... Remember Weber in Nurburgring 2009... 2 races later same thing happened with (honestly i cant remember) and he got away with it...

cheers lads!
 
^Well, with Webber it was less rubbing and more bashing :lol:

But yeah, point taken, the ruling in F1 until this year has been a bit random. Fortunately, they've changed the rules and allowed ex-F1 drivers to be stewards, so hopefully we'll have better decisions from now on and quicker too....less political decisions.
 
Well, now that Mosley is out, Todt has got rid of Alan Donnelly from his position as "voting" chairman of the stewards. But I guess everyone thought the same positive hope when Mosley replaced Balestre.
 
Ardius
^Well, with Webber it was less rubbing and more bashing :lol:

But yeah, point taken, the ruling in F1 until this year has been a bit random. Fortunately, they've changed the rules and allowed ex-F1 drivers to be stewards, so hopefully we'll have better decisions from now on and quicker too....less political decisions.
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Thank you... i didnt know it... ex-F1 drivers---stewards... how come i didnt hear anything about this... Cheers lad!
 
Because Mosley could use his lapdogs instead to manipulate the results.
 
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........Not sure id want this to be my can nor driving it in this situation however, it does make for fantastic racing and is great to watch:-

 

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