How does toe effect the braking sensitivity?

[Izzyracer97]

I know toe effects braking sensitivity. But, if I increase or decrease toe how does that effect braking sensitivity?

 

[ugabugaz]

It does? I've never experienced toe meddling with the brakes. Camber on the other hand..

 

[MTLclllutch]

both toe and camber have a large impact on braking, especially with abs off. You can have a great brake balance that keeps the car steady under hard braking and then with slight toe modifications you might completely throw it off.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

^This, be sure to not have too much toe difference between front and rear, a good example is the '12 N24 GTR DLC, it has totally opposite toe between front and rear and the difference is quite large. Without ABS, almost regardless of brake balance - even with heavy front bias like 10/4 - braking if not careful will tend to make the rear break loose - often happen under heavy braking and lift off on corner entry. This of course do not occur when ABS aid is enabled, there's an added or should I say hidden stability that comes with it.

 

[Izzyracer97]

^This, be sure to not have too much toe difference between front and rear, a good example is the '12 N24 GTR DLC, it has totally opposite toe between front and rear and the difference is quite large. Without ABS, almost regardless of brake balance - even with heavy front bias like 10/4 - braking if not careful will tend to make the rear break loose - often happen under heavy braking and lift off on corner entry. This of course do not occur when ABS aid is enabled, there's an added or should I say hidden stability that comes with it.

I have a viper acr and no matter what brake balance I put in it the front brakes lock up this is why I'm asking cuz I've ruled out brake bias so would you say the more the difference I have between front and back would help

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I have a viper acr and no matter what brake balance I put in it the front brakes lock up this is why I'm asking cuz I've ruled out brake bias so would you say the more the difference I have between front and back would help

Maybe you are applying too much brake force, too much front bias, or too much front negative toe,

An example I said earlier : 2012 N25 GTR DLC, it has default setup :
Spring Rate F:19.4 kgf/mm R:13.3kgf/mm
Camber F:2.5 R:2.0
Toe : F:-1.00 R:0.50

The maximum negative toe and high rear positive toe makes the car rather unstable under braking. I am not sure how much this has effect on braking sensitivity, but it makes trail braking and modulating the brakes harder and lifting off the brakes needs to be done smoothly. The car does become more sensitive to braking input, that is certain.

 

[Izzyracer97]

Maybe you are applying too much brake force, too much front bias, or too much front negative toe,

An example I said earlier : 2012 N25 GTR DLC, it has default setup :
Spring Rate F:19.4 kgf/mm R:13.3kgf/mm
Camber F:2.5 R:2.0
Toe : F:-1.00 R:0.50

The maximum negative toe and high rear positive toe makes the car rather unstable under braking. I am not sure how much this has effect on braking sensitivity, but it makes trail braking and modulating the brakes harder and lifting off the brakes needs to be done smoothly. The car does become more sensitive to braking input, that is certain.

interesting thanks