How fast am I?

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As others have said, join WRS. It'll show you how fast you are compared to others.
Also, I found that my driving skill improved a lot after joining WRS, so that's another reason to join as well.
 
As others have said, join WRS. It'll show you how fast you are compared to others.
Also, I found that my driving skill improved a lot after joining WRS, so that's another reason to join as well.

I'm not sure I'll be joining in the traditional sense, as the whole process (saving/uploading/sending replays) isn't possible at the moment. My laptop has fried itself. But, I will take part in the sense that I'll compare my times to the others that get posted.
 
It was suggested that you downgrade to Comfort Soft compounds and, as you get comfortable, work your way down to Comfort Hard. While I'm in total agreement with the grip reduction, I would suggest going the other way around by learning the limits of the car with the least grip possible and applying your modified technique to gradually increased grip. End up where you want as it's your choice and I don't think it's wrong if you enjoy it, but I think too many players rely on magic grip. And hey, an added benefit of Comfort tires is their increased tread...if you're driving in the wet or find yourself spending more time on the grass than you'd like, you'll appreciate that.
The Civic is relatively low in power, but being FF it has the tendency to roast the inside tire with too much throttle under cornering load--be mindful of this and be as smooth as possible with your inputs, you should do fine.
I'm also in total agreement with the elimination of traction control and use of manual shifting, but consider disabling ABS as well. You won't get into big trouble in that car and I think you'll be more mindful of braking points and required pressure so that if and when you enable it again, you'll be that much faster. Don't be deterred by a tendency to lock up when you start out, just be smoother with your inputs and decrease the pressure you apply. I'd reserve a brake pressure value (the actual setting in the tuning area) reduction for only the most dire of circumstances, though, as I've found an increased stroke required for full braking power usually makes lock more likely.
Good luck!
 
I can never see how you guys can use the analog stick to brake. It seems too difficult. I prefer a modified classic GT controller type for my preference. I keep my thumb on X and SQUARE at the same time while I can easily move my thumb in the front and back to accelerate-brake, or vice-versa.

I keep my index finger and my middle finger on L1 and L2 so I can shift with L2, and look back with L1. However, I keep my index finger on R1, but I keep my middle finger under the R2 trigger; this way, I can only upshift when I need to.

To steer, I obviously use the analog stick - but in a special fashion. I don't steer from left to right or vice-versa. (Moving the analog from side-to-side). I keep my analog stick pushed all the way up and turn slowly for the most accurate handling for DS3's.

If you don't already do this, then I suggest trying it. It could sharpen your times, and it will help you attack corners with ease.
 
I can never see how you guys can use the analog stick to brake. It seems too difficult. I prefer a modified classic GT controller type for my preference. I keep my thumb on X and SQUARE at the same time while I can easily move my thumb in the front and back to accelerate-brake, or vice-versa.

I keep my index finger and my middle finger on L1 and L2 so I can shift with L2, and look back with L1. However, I keep my index finger on R1, but I keep my middle finger under the R2 trigger; this way, I can only upshift when I need to.

To steer, I obviously use the analog stick - but in a special fashion. I don't steer from left to right or vice-versa. (Moving the analog from side-to-side). I keep my analog stick pushed all the way up and turn slowly for the most accurate handling for DS3's.

If you don't already do this, then I suggest trying it. It could sharpen your times, and it will help you attack corners with ease.
Frankly, I don't know how any of you can use a PS3 controller play a car racing game. It boggles my mind. Granted, I'm not a gamer so I don't have the learned dexterity to handle that control in ANY game, but I just don't understand how someone who is really into GT6 chooses to play with a controller over a wheel. If you're just casual, I get it...Maybe you play GT6 once a week at the most. That's understandable.

If you're even on this website with any level of frequency -- that means you're really into Gran Turismo, in my mind. How have you not gotten yourself a wheel yet? You can get a DFGT used on Amazon for $120, or get a new wheel for $200. Heck, I have this tiny folding table - like just slightly bigger than a school lunch tray and my DFGT mounts easily and I tuck it away when I'm done. So you don't need a ton of space.

In my opinion, if you're good with a DS3 controller you'll be REALLY good with a wheel...and if you're already REALLY good with a DS3, you're going to be amazing with a wheel.
 
Frankly, I don't know how any of you can use a PS3 controller play a car racing game. It boggles my mind. Granted, I'm not a gamer so I don't have the learned dexterity to handle that control in ANY game, but I just don't understand how someone who is really into GT6 chooses to play with a controller over a wheel. If you're just casual, I get it...Maybe you play GT6 once a week at the most. That's understandable.

If you're even on this website with any level of frequency -- that means you're really into Gran Turismo, in my mind. How have you not gotten yourself a wheel yet? You can get a DFGT used on Amazon for $120, or get a new wheel for $200. Heck, I have this tiny folding table - like just slightly bigger than a school lunch tray and my DFGT mounts easily and I tuck it away when I'm done. So you don't need a ton of space.

In my opinion, if you're good with a DS3 controller you'll be REALLY good with a wheel...and if you're already REALLY good with a DS3, you're going to be amazing with a wheel.
You are very correct. I've been playing GT ever since I was little, so I have a ton of experience with driving in general. Yeah, I'm young and I don't even have a permit xD. I did get a DFGT two years ago, but I couldn't use it until a few months ago because I didn't have a setup.

Once I did get a proper place for it, I was able to use it. I had used it before this time, but very rarely. Anyway, it took me a day to get used to it. I mastered the driving portion, but I was starting to learn how to drift with it... until my wheel broke when it accidentally slipped off my desk.

I was very good with the DFGT during the week that I could use it. I loved how it improved my technique in GT. Rather, my DS3 limits it. I didn't like the fact that I had to go back to the DS3 because I was already experienced with a wheel to a good extent.

So yeah. If you are like me and playing GT for a long time with a controller, then you will be much faster with a wheel. Even faster than a guy that started out on a wheel.
 
Frankly, I don't know how any of you can use a PS3 controller play a car racing game. It boggles my mind. Granted, I'm not a gamer so I don't have the learned dexterity to handle that control in ANY game, but I just don't understand how someone who is really into GT6 chooses to play with a controller over a wheel. If you're just casual, I get it...Maybe you play GT6 once a week at the most. That's understandable.

If you're even on this website with any level of frequency -- that means you're really into Gran Turismo, in my mind. How have you not gotten yourself a wheel yet? You can get a DFGT used on Amazon for $120, or get a new wheel for $200. Heck, I have this tiny folding table - like just slightly bigger than a school lunch tray and my DFGT mounts easily and I tuck it away when I'm done. So you don't need a ton of space.

In my opinion, if you're good with a DS3 controller you'll be REALLY good with a wheel...and if you're already REALLY good with a DS3, you're going to be amazing with a wheel.

Because PD realizes many PS3 owners don't have fancy wheels they made the game EXTREMELY easy to drive with the controller adding driving assist to the controller at all times, mostly steering assist, but much focus was put on making the driving easy and accessible to DS3 controllers, especially if your familiar with the series from GT4 and before.
 
I still use an auto box on the DS3. My stupidly large hands (I'm 6'8") can't get comfy wrapping round the controller to easily hit all the buttons I need. It easily cost me a couple of seconds a lap (and more) and the times I can't drop into the right gear early enough while the manual gearbox users streak past me into the corners is glaringly obvious.

It makes me feel like a Sunday driver. Embarrassing.

I'm thinking about another wheel again now though. They seriously tire me out but I've never had a comfy seat to get into a nice driving position before. The G27 I used to have was mounted on a very basic stand I made for myself but I figure if I get myself a full setup, including the driving seat, using it could be a lot less tiring for me. I really need that manual box back...
 
I still use an auto box on the DS3. My stupidly large hands (I'm 6'8") can't get comfy wrapping round the controller to easily hit all the buttons I need. It easily cost me a couple of seconds a lap (and more) and the times I can't drop into the right gear early enough while the manual gearbox users streak past me into the corners is glaringly obvious.

It makes me feel like a Sunday driver. Embarrassing.

I'm thinking about another wheel again now though. They seriously tire me out but I've never had a comfy seat to get into a nice driving position before. The G27 I used to have was mounted on a very basic stand I made for myself but I figure if I get myself a full setup, including the driving seat, using it could be a lot less tiring for me. I really need that manual box back...
Auto transmission will have zero effect on your laptimes in any car where the HP peaks high up in the rev range. @Adrenaline used auto and chase cam and he was one of the fastest drivers around in GT5. The only cars you will suffer in are cars like the Zonda C12 which peaks early in the rev range and drops off quickly.
 
Auto transmission will have zero effect on your laptimes in any car where the HP peaks high up in the rev range. @Adrenaline used auto and chase cam and he was one of the fastest drivers around in GT5. The only cars you will suffer in are cars like the Zonda C12 which peaks early in the rev range and drops off quickly.
He's very kind, but don't let @Johnnypenso fool you, he was always right on my tail! =) I did eventually migrate over to manual transmission(for GT Academy a year ago I think?), but it was very rare that I ever found a difference 'on track'. If anything the early/late/double shifts actually cost me more time. It's not until I start racing ghosts, or doing time trials at a high level, in lower HP cars, that I would see a difference in AT and MT. If I recall, it was most notable at Daytona Road Course, where acceleration out of a corner that led into a long straightaway, I could visually see the ghost start to pull on me between gears. Even then, we're talking .1 to .3 in that sector.

Until you're at a level of consistency where you can even see that difference in isolation of all other factors on the track, then I wouldn't even worry about it.
The main benefit of manual transmission, to me at least, was not lap times, it was the ability to alter the handling of your car while turning, using the gear box. Downshifting into a corner can help transfer weight without stressing/heating the brakes/tires of the car. Forcing the car to stay in a gear can help reduce understeer that an AT shifting up would give you on mid-corner to exit.

And Chase cam isn't ever going away, I don't care how much people hate! There's just too many advantages that being outside of the car can give you, both in regards to track placement, and even moreso when it comes to car placement when racing against others. It's a hard habit to break, as 3rd person has been ingrained in me since the first racing game I've ever played, 25 years later it's too late to switch now, and I feel too blind when using it. There's only so much feedback a game and a steering wheel can give you, whereas in a real car you can feel every corner of the car, and adjust. Chase cam allows you to 'see' the outside tire(s), and adjust as you would had you 'felt' what you 'saw'.

Everyone plays differently, at the end of the day it's a game, do what you enjoy. I can say though, that a racing rig (bought or built) will substantially increase your enjoyment of playing. It's the equivalent of going to an arcade and playing a racing game, or just sitting in front of a TV with a controller in your hand. Think back to when you were a kid, and how much better one was than the other. If you're a tall man at 6'8 you might want to look into the PVC custom built rigs, as you can obviously alter them in many different way to fit yourself. I made one out of some old 2x4s years and years ago now, before upgrading to a used Playseat I found on craigslist for less than $100.

Best of luck, and I hope to see some of you in Project Cars! (DriveClub isn't so great, but feel free to hit me up)

Edit: If you're buying a wheel, keep in mind that Logictech is not supported by PS4 at the moment, so for those who want to 'future proof' Thrustmaster is currently the way to go. Just food for thought.
 
Great post, thank you.

It's given me the idea to drop trying to find a comfy position for swapping to manual shifting and try just using the triggers for brake and accelerator. I can get my index fingers on L and R2 so I'd be able to hold the rev range better with auto and if I can shave a second off a lap, I'll be more than happy with that.

I'm going to look for a wheel anyway. The level of immersion is too good not to.

Edit:

I've got my eye on the T500 wheel and possibly with a shifter if they do one. As for the seat, I've got a friend who's pretty good with a welder so might get something custom made up. It doesn't have to be pretty as it's going in our spare bedroom. Maybe even a seat from the scrapyard...

I'm found a happy medium after hearing you'd had success with sticking with the auto. I swapped the accelerator over to R2 and put the brake on X. Seeing as I always use ABS 1, I don't need a progressive brake pedal on L2 so it's a very comfortable feel holding the controller now.

Gave it a try out and was half a second quicker straight away. Auto isn't that much of a disadvantage if you've got enough throttle control to keep it on the power high up in the gear.

A hell of a lot easier than me trying to press X (previous accelerator) 10 times a second to keep the revs right anyway.

Time to go and be a quicker Sunday driver.👍

Edit 2:

I just jumped from 1300ish in the GTR hot lap challenge to 848th and took off nearly half a second. 1:29.926. That's me sold then.
 
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