How good are the new Gr.2 cars with BoP ON?

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Haven’t used any of the new Gr.2 cars online yet. I don’t want to play Sport Mode because of all the bugs so I was wondering how they stack up with BoP on?

I’ve been hearing mixed reviews so far, apparently they handle decently enough but they lack power compared to the new cars. People keep saying they shouldn’t have been added at all because of the power difference, but BoP gives the old cars a significant 130% boost in power.

Has anyone had any success in the dailies or open lobbies so far?

Also, lap times with BoP on would be good to see from a skilled driver. I haven’t seen anyone comparing the old cars to the newer ones yet.
 
If you’re good, you can pull off a win, or at the very least a decent result.
They are, however, crap compared to the 2016 cars. Less downforce, harder to get on the power good, they’re at a disadvantage.
I tried the NSX. Was not a fan at all personally. Maybe it’s SLIGHTLY faster than the 2016 cars in the straights? But it’s harder to get on the power and it tops out around 170mph, so I don’t see the point.
Does make a fun challenge though.
 
Racing in a lobby last night with my Geezer bros we did the Lexus BoP'd with the 130% power on RM tires. I kept saying it's like there's too much power for the chassis. In the end, I think we got used to it, but compared to no BoP, it wasn't balanced well to me.
 
Oh yeah - almost forgot.
I don’t think fuel mileage between the 2008 and 2016 cars differ too much, but the 08 cars have worse tyre wear for sure.
 
TTM
If you’re good, you can pull off a win, or at the very least a decent result.
They are, however, crap compared to the 2016 cars. Less downforce, harder to get on the power good, they’re at a disadvantage.
I tried the NSX. Was not a fan at all personally. Maybe it’s SLIGHTLY faster than the 2016 cars in the straights? But it’s harder to get on the power and it tops out around 170mph, so I don’t see the point.
Does make a fun challenge though.
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I tried both GT-Rs back to back on Red Bull Ring (without BoP tho)

I actually liked the 2008 version more: more stable and truly insane brakes, you can brake so late in Xanavi GT-R and still make the corner safely. 2016 is tiiny bit twitchy, but, obviously, much faster on the straight line

Personal times on RBR, Racing Hard tyres, downforce maxed out on both
2016 GT-R: 1:26.119
2008 GT-R: 1:28.732

Gonna try the BoP'd 2008 GT-R tomorrow
 
OJT6627
I tried both GT-Rs back to back on Red Bull Ring (without BoP tho)

I actually liked the 2008 version more: more stable and truly insane brakes, you can brake so late in Xanavi GT-R and still make the corner safely. 2016 is tiiny bit twitchy, but, obviously, much faster on the straight line

Personal times on RBR, Racing Hard tyres, downforce maxed out on both
2016 GT-R: 1:26.119
2008 GT-R: 1:28.732

Gonna try the BoP'd 2008 GT-R tomorrow
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Oh, really?
Should give that one a shot then.
Maybe I picked the wrong 08 gt500 then. I mean the NSX was literally nerfed that season in real life after all.
 
TTM
Oh, really?
Should give that one a shot then.
Maybe I picked the wrong 08 gt500 then. I mean the NSX was literally nerfed that season in real life after all.
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I wouldn't pick the GT500 NSX from 2008 either. I tried it because I thought the MR would mean better handling, but it feels like the front wheels are in the middle of the car for some reason. It over-rotates upon turning into a corner and it turns me off of using it.

In my experience the SC430 (which is my favourite IRL) felt better but was still too dicey to make me want to use it over the 2016 GTR. It gives me the "458 GT3 syndrome" where I love the car, but the handling is trash so I only use it casually.

Coincidentally, the '08 GTR is the only one I haven't tested out yet because I ran out of dough after I bought the Zonda R. I hope it's good so I can decided whether to spend the hour on BMB or do something else.
 
MrWaflz55
Coincidentally, the '08 GTR is the only one I haven't tested out yet because I ran out of dough after I bought the Zonda R
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A bit offtopic, but i tried Zonda R aswell. That thing is faster than all of the road cars, 6 seconds ahead of Gr.3 and half a second ahead of the Xanavi GT-R time. It is mad fast. It being Gr.X is actually justified
 
ARTAsean
The Castrol Supra is a solid decade older than the cars we just got. If PD gave us the Poopra I guarantee it'll be Gr.3 and not Gr.2.
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I wonder how it would be if we got the Yellowhat Supra then? Along with the newer Pitworks Z and Weider HSV-010. These three are pretty close to the '08 models we just got in terms of spec.
 
I tried the GT-R in last night's nations race and got absolutely clobbered, the saving grace was that the field got bunched up really bad during the rolling start.
 
PD probably just imported the downforce numbers from GT6 for the 2008 cars. IRL, they made more downforce than almost every era of GT500. In fact, in a year or two after the 2008 cars, they took away the front diveplanes because of that reason. Look at the Honda HSV in GT6, there's no diveplanes on the front but a shaped front bumper to mimic diveplanes. The current gen GT500's make less downforce but are nearly 100kg lighter and have about 100+hp more. If things were equal, the 2008 cars would be closer to lmp1/gr.1.
 
I only got to play the new content last night because I was playing a different game, but once I slapped in GT Sport I immediately bought the SC430 because I did a GT6 comparison video for it just recently. After my initial testing with BoP turned On around Nurburgring GP and against my 2015 NSX benchmark time, all I can say is "Holy crap, this is AWFUL" :yuck: My predictions were right, even with a power boost the SC430 can't keep up with the newer NSX at all. Around sweepers the SC430 can match the NSX's speed, but the NSX is just superior under braking and at corner exits. I tried making the SC430 lighter (about 94% or 95% while maintaing BoP power) but the best I can manage is a 4-second gap behind the NSX. The chassis of the newer GT500 cars is just far superior compared to the 2008 cars. Afterwards I checked the downforce values of both cars, and I call bullcrap on the values of the SC430. Same exact values as the newer car? How come even when I make the SC430 lighter it still feels sub-par under braking?

I'll have to do more testing after work (thank goodness it's Friday), but I don't think any fine tuning with the BoP would save the 2008 cars in Gr.2 . With regards to cars in this game, I thought the "Zonda R in Gr.X but Vulcan in N-class" decision was terrible but nope, the 2008 GT500 cars in Gr.2 tops that by MILES. They really should have been in Gr.3, their performance is closer against those cars compared to those in Gr.2 :banghead: Yes, the 2015 RAYBRIG NSX and the 2008 Petronas SC430 (and the 1997 Castrol Supra) are all GT500, but IMO they shouldn't be forced to race in the same class just because they're GT500. They should be grouped according to their overall pace.
 
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Testing at the current Daily Race C in qualifying time trials leads me to about +0.5-0.8 sec between '16 and '08 NSX, in favor of the newer car... and that's mostly because the default setup for the '08 is borderline undrivable. With just a change to front and rear ride heights, it'd be a lot closer.

Let's use actual Super GT 2008 qualifying data, rather than the '07 onboard which is just as fast but a year older:


1:51s. Again. On worse tires. With worse aero. And 120 less horsepower. Oh, and I forgot to mention this last time: 80 to 100+ kilograms heavier vs their 2016 counterparts.

Times from 2009 to 2013 aren't valid, as aero rule changes reduced downforce - stuff like banning canards being the most obvious to casual fans like myself.

And let's compare that to 2016:


1:47s.

Since both examples I've shown here are for the GT-Rs, we can assume that it should be plausible to remove or lessen the air/power restriction on the '08 GT-R: the Gibson V8 which is used in modern LMP2 cars (which by the way is derived from the '08 GT-R's engine) makes around 600 hp, so it's not unrealistic... and an extra 100 horsepower paired with a 100 kg lighter curb weight does help shave some seconds off.

So I'd probably say the '08 cars are unrealistically worse than they really are, particularly in the case of the NSX. We definitely need someone quicker than myself to verify for sure, but these are definitely far beyond what Gr.3 machines are capable of. It was only in recent years of the Mother Chassis and GT3 era of GT300 that class of cars has been capable of coming within a few seconds of the 2009-2013 times.
 
I just find it ridiculous that the Ford GT LM Spec II, a car that's clearly older with worse brakes, downforce and handling was able to become the dominant car in Gr.3 for an entire month before it was nerfed into the ground, while at the same time the new Super GT cars seem to stink even though they should handle just fine compared to the newer Gr.2 cars. I can't express in words how irritating it is that the SC430, my favourite race car from Japan, is completely useless when it comes to the meta of the game.

I wonder if PD will nerf the 2016 cars in an update and destroy the pace of the class? Honestly I'd rather keep the balance the way it is now so the people enjoying Gr.2 don't suffer.
 
Skygrasper550
Yes, the 2015 RAYBRIG NSX and the 2008 Petronas SC430 (and the 1997 Castrol Supra) are all GT500, but IMO they shouldn't be forced to race in the same class just because they're GT500. They should be grouped according to their overall pace.
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I definitely agree they shouldn't necessarily be in the same class just because they are in the same real-life class. I mean PD hasn't exactly tried to make Gr.2 a cohesive thing with multiple Super GT tracks available -- we have Suzuka and Fuji, that's it, and there's no tournament seasons or whatnot that would make Gr.2 feel unique. We don't even get the big flag wavers in the grandstands of Suzuka and Fuji. I would love for them to license Super GT officially and make something special of it, but as of right now, they might as well make a separate class for the 2008 cars.
 
Tried out BoP'd GT-Rs on Red Bull Ring. Racing Hard tyres, downforce maxed on both, ABS on, no TC. Spent a bit more time now, did only like 2 laps each on my previous attempt.

2016 GT-R (both weight and power on 100 when BoP'd) - 1:24.718
2008 GT-R (power 126 weight 100 when BoP'd) - 1:25.141

Again, 2008 GT-R is more stable and enjoyable car for me. Putting power down on corners is so easy even with TC off, it's like the car is on rails. Brakes are very good aswell
But 2016 GT-R has power advantage even against boosted 2008 GT-R: mid RPM acceleration on 2016 is unmatched, which resulted in better lap times

Theoretically, 2008 GT-R can be on par with 2016 model, but it will need a bit more power for that

Will continue my testing

EDIT: Seems like power 128 weight 100 Xanavi GT-R somewhat matches stock 2016 GT-R on RBR: difference is +/-0.1 seconds
I guess, PD needs to do some BoP adjustment in the next update if it wants the 2008 cars to stay competitive
 
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This is why I said it's like pd just imported them from gt6. They should have tinkered with them some more because they are making more downforce than the game gives them credit for. They are almost momentum cars because they have more than enough aero and handling for their power (stock). There's an interview around the period of time for the '08 Nissan where they say unrestricted the engine could make 800hp. And remember, these cars are ALL carbon fiber, chassis and body. The new gen (2014+) has a partial carbon body/tub mixed with metal roll cage.

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Check out http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/dtm-gt500-2014-the-ultimate-touring-cars/
 
OJT6627
Tried out BoP'd GT-Rs on Red Bull Ring. Racing Hard tyres, downforce maxed on both, ABS on, no TC. Spent a bit more time now, did only like 2 laps each on my previous attempt.

2016 GT-R (both weight and power on 100 when BoP'd) - 1:24.718
2008 GT-R (power 126 weight 100 when BoP'd) - 1:25.141

Again, 2008 GT-R is more stable and enjoyable car for me. Putting power down on corners is so easy even with TC off, it's like the car is on rails. Brakes are very good aswell
But 2016 GT-R has power advantage even against boosted 2008 GT-R: mid RPM acceleration on 2016 is unmatched, which resulted in better lap times

Theoretically, 2008 GT-R can be on par with 2016 model, but it will need a bit more power for that

Will continue my testing

EDIT: Seems like power 128 weight 100 Xanavi GT-R somewhat matches stock 2016 GT-R on RBR: difference is +/-0.1 seconds
I guess, PD needs to do some BoP adjustment in the next update if it wants the 2008 cars to stay competitive
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I concur with this. I did some further testing on Nurburgring GP, this time with the two GT-Rs using Racing:Soft tires and BoP On. I'm actually surprised that the 2008 GT-R is more receptive to the increase in power compared to the SC430, much more receptive. I was clocking in 1:46.9xx with the 2016 GT-R, the same times as the 2016 NSX, and the 2008 GT-R was just some 0.3 seconds behind. Granted, the 2008 GT-R can get the same lap times as the 2016 cars, but you need more effort in order to do so. This is pretty good, but I can't help but think PD's bias towards GT-Rs is in effect in this case.

As for the SC430, yeah that's pretty much hopeless. I think no amount of BoP can save that car in Gr.2 . Haven't tested the 2008 NSX yet, but from what I've read so far it's also hopeless.

I think we can all agree that, no matter which side of the fence you're in, Gr.2 is a mess right now.
 
I've been getting good results with the 2008 NSX in Daily Race C being able to finish in the top 5.

Fuel consumption was my advantage in this one. Though the car is twitchy at first but after a while I've gotten used to it. I prefer driving it in TCS 1 just to be safe.
 
Got third in a lobby tonight with my new Earth Dreams NSX around Fuji GT in a 4 lap BoP race. Finished behind two 2016 GT-Rs

It certainly wasn’t lacking for power on the straights, this thing pulled compared to the newer cars.

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Gotta say, after adjusting the downforce the car really jived with me. Felt almost as good as the modern Gr.2 cars. Just has some stability issues like the 458 GT3 with the “traction control slide” (I use TCS3). But I’ve won races with the Ferrari so I know how to play around it most of the time.
 
You know what is funny? The SC430 is the 2008 model which is only 1825mm wide. The GTR is 2000mm and the NSX is also 2000mm wide. This might be silly but it could be a reason it isn't as good.
 
trustjab
You know what is funny? The SC430 is the 2008 model which is only 1825mm wide. The GTR is 2000mm and the NSX is also 2000mm wide. This might be silly but it could be a reason it isn't as good.
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They need to add some horses to that puppy to compensate. It is awefuul.
 
The 2008 NSX doesnt seem to have much engine braking,,it almost feels like the car is in neutral when not on throttle using the manual transmission.
 

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