How Rare are 98' Nissan 240sx In the States?

[Tornado]

Ok let's get into it shall we? The 1995 240SX 0-60mph is 8.3s, the 1994 Miata is 8.8s, the Saab depending on whether it is a 900 or 9000--the 900 is faster but the 9000 is not, the Mark VII with it's V8 is 7.6s, the Cutlass Cailas Quad 442 does it in 7.7s, the Isuzu numbers aren't on the internet apparently, and last but not least the 300ZX NON turbo automatic does it in over 8.5s. So let's breakdown those numbers.

Two problems: For the price of a 240SX, one can easily afford a Turbo Manual Z31 300ZX or a normally aspirated Z32. Both of which would obliterate the 240SX. Another one is that for the price of the 240SX one can buy an NB Miata, which can pull 60 in under 8 seconds and outhandle the 240SX every day of the week. The very best the 240SX could manage was 8 flat, and that was the SE-R. The Isuzu Amigo could run to 60 in 8 flat as well.

So, yes a couple of those are faster but let's examine them more closely.

No, they are all faster. And the Saab 9000 outran the 240SX with the 2.0L engine as well (as the Saab 9000 pictured never came with the 2.3L engine).

1. The GM is a FWD slushbox with a suspension from 1895.

No, it was a 5 speed. It would have been truly comical if the Calais outran the 240SX with the 3 speed slushbox.

2. The Ford is a RWD 4000lb boat with a suspension from 1909.

A 4000lb boat that outruns the svelte 2600lb sports car to 60.

3. The Saab is a AWD sport performance machine with reliability problems up the ying yang.

I don't think the Saab 9000 was ever AWD. Nor was the 9000 Turbo the top of the line 9000.

4. The Nissan performs well enough from a naturally aspirated 4cyl engine with a suspension from current times.

Not for the price it doesn't.

5. The Mazda would take a corner perfectly but take forever to accelerate out of it.

When coupled with the fact that the NB Miata was much faster than the 240SX, it would destroy it on a track.

But honestly, dropping that list of bull**** cars to this discussion and pretending they are better than the 240SX is quite ludacris. 0-60mph isn't everything, granted it is the most used benchmark of sports cars that still doesn't make it the end all to be all.

You said the Miata was slow, and thus should be barred as an alternative. I'm simply telling you that the 240SX isn't exactly the fastest car in the land, and was using obviously extreme examples to show that.

 

[1X83Z]

I don't think the Saab 9000 was ever AWD. Nor was the 9000 Turbo the top of the line 9000.

In fact, Saab's first all-wheel drive car was the 9-2X in 2005.

 

[Duke]

I mean, if we want to talk about obscure, rather fast cars, we may as well mention the Chevrolet Beretta GTZ, of which was not only faster than the M3 (of the era) to sixty...

This, I could believe, maybe.

...but if I recall correctly, out-handled it as well...

Not a chance.

 

[1X83Z]

This, I could believe, maybe.

It depends what era you're referring to - the Beretta GTZ was probably quicker than the E30 M3, but its life also spanned the existence of the E36 models (though the Beretta GTZ had been re-named Beretta Z26 by 1994), which would've completely destroyed it in any measurable category except price.

Not a chance.

Yeah. The GTZ was known for its handling, but that's among Berettas - M3s are known for their handling among automobiles.

 

[Keef]

Well I scanned through here really quick and I'm confused. How the heck did you guys move from Nissan 240SX to a Porsche 944?

The Nissan is a cheap piece of crap that will soon fall apart if it hasn't already. The Porsche is a slightly more expensive piece of crap that will soon fall apart if it hasn't already. But the Porsche will be worlds more expensive to put back together if one is dumb enough to do that to their first car.

Get a Honda. Cheap, cheap, cheap. Cheap. Cheap to buy, to own, to operate, to tune, to fix when you wreck it which will happen, and cheap to throw away when you're done with it.

 

[Perfect Balance]

The very best the 240SX could manage was 8 flat, and that was the SE-R.

I think your entire post was just rendered useless, because you seem to think a 240SX is a 2 door Sentra.(200SX)

There is no 240SX se-r.

 

[YSSMAN]

It depends what era you're referring to - the Beretta GTZ was probably quicker than the E30 M3, but its life also spanned the existence of the E36 models (though the Beretta GTZ had been re-named Beretta Z26 by 1994), which would've completely destroyed it in any measurable category except price...

Yeah. The GTZ was known for its handling, but that's among Berettas - M3s are known for their handling among automobiles.

From what I recall, the Beretta GTU was the fast one that was later replaced by the GTZ, followed later by the Z26. It was the early GTU models (88-89) with the Quad 4 and the 5-speed manual that would rip to 60 MPH in 7.6 seconds, and honest to God, would pull 0.92g on the skidpad. Considering that it is a GM model, FWD, and from 1988, I'd say that is damn impressive.

Either way, its nothing I really care to argue about, as nobody remembers the Beretta, nor cares to really own one (unless they have to). Just thought it would be fun to throw out some performance figures on an obscure model while the rest of us were doing it...

 

[askia47]

How popular is the 240sx these days anyway? Some have you have said that its going through a fad craze, how so?

 

[Tornado]

I think your entire post was just rendered useless, because you seem to think a 240SX is a 2 door Sentra.(200SX)

There is no 240SX se-r.

I'm well aware that the 200SX (B14) and 240SX (S14) are two different cars, thank you. Blame the source, not the post.
Either way, I fail to see how that makes the entire post useless as the 240SX was still slow as hell, and it was still incredibly lucky to pull 60 in under 8 seconds. Maybe you can explain further.

 

[YSSMAN]

How popular is the 240sx these days anyway? Some have you have said that its going through a fad craze, how so?

You can thank Fast and Furious, Need for Speed Underground, Formula D, and Initial D over over-hyping and over-inflating the prices of a car that was generally left to die by the buying public, and thereby killed by Nissan in North America.

...Quite frankly, I can't think of too many cars that have gotten this much hype around it for no apparent reason other than a few appearances in a movie and a couple videogames...

 

[Perfect Balance]

I'm well aware that the 200SX (B14) and 240SX (S14) are two different cars, thank you. Blame the source, not the post.
Either way, I fail to see how that makes the entire post useless as the 240SX was still slow as hell, and it was still incredibly lucky to pull 60 in under 8 seconds. Maybe you can explain further.

I said it makes the whole post useless because I figured you thought the 240sx was a 200sx (since you had said 240sx se-r), so all your comparisons and points were compared to a 200sx.

 

[askia47]

You can thank Fast and Furious, Need for Speed Underground, Formula D, and Initial D over over-hyping and over-inflating the prices of a car that was generally left to die by the buying public, and thereby killed by Nissan in North America.

...Quite frankly, I can't think of too many cars that have gotten this much hype around it for no apparent reason other than a few appearances in a movie and a couple videogames...

I see..same happened to the Supra. But is it all bad (despite the prices), I mean these cars where generally overlooked when they were orginally made but now alot of these cars are sought after alot and I dont mind that really. Would you think that these cars getting popular is a bad thing, or is it just price inflation that is the problem?

 

[Duke]

The S14 and the AE86 are both fundamentally decent cars with nicely balanced RWD chassis. There's not much wrong with them, though the 240SX is a bit overweight and underpowered. They both have decent aftermarket support and can be made into good-handling, quick cars. However, doing that takes a fair amount of money and know-how.

As mentioned above, thanks to the 'import culture', many inexperienced kids have become convinced that these two cars are nothing short of God's Gift to the Automotive World, at least for your average, half-broke, under-25 street racer/drifter.

They're simply not that good. They're good, but they are not worth the premium prices they are commanding these days.

 

[1X83Z]

From what I recall, the Beretta GTU was the fast one that was later replaced by the GTZ, followed later by the Z26. It was the early GTU models (88-89) with the Quad 4 and the 5-speed manual that would rip to 60 MPH in 7.6 seconds, and honest to God, would pull 0.92g on the skidpad.

No - the Quad 4 wasn't used until it debuted in the GTZ in 1990 - all the GTU models were was some ground effects and sport suspension, with the same crappy engines. Chevrolet didn't get serious about performance in 1990. The GTU may have pulled 0.92g (when new) but it didn't do 0-60 in 7.6, and the GTZ may have done 0-60 in 7.6, but it wasn't pulling 0.92g. No Beretta ever did both.

 

[Azuremen]

Duke has got it right. There are more capable cars that can be had for less that are just as reliable - such examples are the Miata and MR2. Most guys I know with 86's think cutting the springs is a legitimate method for enhancing the handling of the car. And some other guy with a built 240SX with an SR20DET can't drive to save his life. He tried drifting and just understeered horribly.

So most of these cars are getting hunted down by kids that don't know much about driving or tuning, and while they use to be great budget tweaking cars for guys in the know... they are now far over priced for what they are.

 

[askia47]

The S14 and the AE86 are both fundamentally decent cars with nicely balanced RWD chassis. There's not much wrong with them, though the 240SX is a bit overweight and underpowered. They both have decent aftermarket support and can be made into good-handling, quick cars. However, doing that takes a fair amount of money and know-how.

As mentioned above, thanks to the 'import culture', many inexperienced kids have become convinced that these two cars are nothing short of God's Gift to the Automotive World, at least for your average, half-broke, under-25 street racer/drifter.

They're simply not that good. They're good, but they are not worth the premium prices they are commanding these days.

Ah, ok I see now, thanks for the insight.

Edit: a 240sx would be nice but, if there were so few made in 98, then chances are they already have modifications on it and might not run the way you expected it to.

 

[Jay]

The S14 and the AE86 are both fundamentally decent cars with nicely balanced RWD chassis. There's not much wrong with them, though the 240SX is a bit overweight and underpowered. They both have decent aftermarket support and can be made into good-handling, quick cars. However, doing that takes a fair amount of money and know-how.

As mentioned above, thanks to the 'import culture', many inexperienced kids have become convinced that these two cars are nothing short of God's Gift to the Automotive World, at least for your average, half-broke, under-25 street racer/drifter.

They're simply not that good. They're good, but they are not worth the premium prices they are commanding these days.

Bingo, couldn't have said it better myself. 👍

 

[JCE]

I give up with you people. This is nothing but an argue fest. So I'll take my leave.