How to determine the ammount of camber needed / telemetry.

[mindwise]

My brain gives me this image of tyres in gt3 that gave indication of temperatures of the outside, inside and middle of the tyres.

I always used that information to tune the camber to be -what i hope is- close to optimal for a track.

But now, with gt5p, i'm blind ;( I also lack other telemetry output vital to getting a good setup.
I can see 'cornering performance' go up a couple of pixels in the "tuning performance screen (you know with 'top speed, acceleration, brake and cornering performance)" when i add lots of downforce, and top speed go down (not quite enough imo).

I can also see 'some' difference in cornering and stopping level when i change the camber (1 whole pixel performance-difference in about 1.0 degree difference in camber, so should i try to stick as much in the middle of the '1 pixel optimal') or just try every setting for lap after lap and hope what you feel is the correct optimal?

Do any of you have any tips on how you determine optimal camber, i'm struggling with it. (or is it just the track suzuka that's always getting people having difficulty choosing for grip or speed).

And is the influence downforce has on the aerodynamics of the car underplayed in gt5p? i'm tempted to claim that we should see a little more top speed decrease when downforce is set to max then we currently get.

Maybe it's just me.

(1st edit spelling correction, 2nd edit; i wanted to try to change the title to make it clear: I need help with camber, rather then that i was giving tips (another way of reading the current title )

 

[sWozzie]

Use turns 3,4,5,6 on Suzuka, once you have a balanced setup just see how fast you can go through the bends before under/oversteer ensues, keep an eye on your speed, the bends are constant radius so once the car has settled into the turn you have time to look down at your speed and then accelerate slightly, note what speed under/oversteer comes in

change camber and do it again

at the moment with the Corvette I am getting at best 140km/h - which must be relatively fast since this is where I overtake most cars!

also keep an eye on tire wear, if you notice alot of grip difference as the race progresses then camber must be wrong, with my Corvette I dont notice any grip difference except for the tyre warm up period at the start so I am happy with that

 

[sWozzie]

Do any of you have any tips on how you determine optimal camber, i'm struggling with it. (or is it just the track suzuka that's always getting people having difficulty choosing for grip or speed).

Its not a question of grip OR speed, grip = speed

Suzuka is all about how fast you can go round the corners, the more grip you have the faster you will go

 

[mindwise]

Suzuka is all about how fast you can go round the corners, the more grip you have the faster you will go

Hi sWozzie,

Thanks for the tips wrt turns 2, 3 etc, if i cannot read the speeds while riding, i could watch them during a replay, that's good thanks.

Wrt grip and speed, i mainly meant downforce (as the tyres are either fixed s2 or r3 by choice anyway )

Tnx for the tips, i like them,

 

[aphextwin]

One of the major reasons why I miss the race data analyzer. It was a lot easier to track your cornering speeds, make adjustments, and compare again.

 

[magburner]

Do any of you have any tips on how you determine optimal camber, i'm struggling with it. (or is it just the track suzuka that's always getting people having difficulty choosing for grip or speed).

This is where Gran Turismo has always fallen flat on its face. I'm no that up with the technical aspects of cars, but even I know that you wouldn't be able to race too long at Daytona Oval with the options to available to you through the setup screen. Gran Turismo should have MOTEC integration (just like GTR2).

Anyway, I doubt this method is very technical, but in respect to camber, I keep a close eye on the bottom two bars (brakes and cornering) of that thing in the top right in the setup screen

As you adjust your camber, you will notice that they will increase slightly (with some cars) as you increase the camber, and then decrease significantly if you go too high. I generally set my camber to a notch or two below the point at which the bars start decreasing - usually 3 or 4 on the front, and (for whatever reason), I half it at the back. I hope this helps a little. 👍

 

[NLxAROSA]

I usually do it the hard way: increase front camber, then give it a few laps. If it's worse, go back, if it's better: repeat. Same for rear camber. I use large changes like .5 in the beginning and finetune it with .2 and later on .1 to get to the right setting. What you should be monitoring is cornering speeds.

I saw this MOTEC thingy for GTR2, it's a very valuable tool, GT5P should have it too! 👍

 

[mindwise]

I generally set my camber to a notch or two below the point at which the bars start decreasing - usually 3 or 4 on the front, and (for whatever reason), I half it at the back. I hope this helps a little. 👍

Yeah MagBurner, that's a bit what i do to, in my mind that increasing and decreasing of the bar follows somekind of bell-curve, so i end up with quite a bit less camber as a startingpoint and if i have the patience, i will then follow Arosa's method

But yeah, some more info would be really great

 

[cloudspin]

also keep an eye on tire wear,

I didn't think GT5P had tire wear. Does it?

 

[NLxAROSA]

There are indications that it indeed has tire wear. Hard to confirm though.

 

[Honakerstump]

I definately seem to have more grip after a warmup lap. I then start to lose a little grip after 5 laps or so on most tracks. It may not have the indicator, but it seems to have tire wear. Either that or my consistancy really needs work.