How to improve the online punter problems?

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I've had a thought about improving the online punter problems, for when (if) GT5P gets damage implemented - and it is not a "we need private rooms thread". :)

At the moment the money prizes are awarded only for position, but as well I think there should also be money prizes awarded for how little (or no) damage you have on your car at the end of the race. If drivers gained money from finishing a race with an undamaged car then perhaps they'll be a little bit more careful during the race - in particular not going for improbable gaps during overtaking. Of course it won't get rid of the deliberate punting but I think most of the problems are just because you can barge your way past another car and often get away with it completely, or at very worst get a time penalty.

What do people think of this idea?


Mark.
 
Unfortunately, money/credits aren't a good incentive, as they're pretty easy to come by. I've had 2,000,000 credits and a full garage for months. Plus, you wouldn't want to have credits taken away from the prize money because someone else hit you and damaged your car.
 
marky5244
I've had a thought about improving the online punter problems, for when (if) GT5P gets damage implemented - and it is not a "we need private rooms thread". :)

At the moment the money prizes are awarded only for position, but as well I think there should also be money prizes awarded for how little (or no) damage you have on your car at the end of the race. If drivers gained money from finishing a race with an undamaged car then perhaps they'll be a little bit more careful during the race - in particular not going for improbable gaps during overtaking. Of course it won't get rid of the deliberate punting but I think most of the problems are just because you can barge your way past another car and often get away with it completely, or at very worst get a time penalty.

What do people think of this idea?


Mark.
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What if the punter damages your car badly? that means you get penalised also.
 
Some months ago, I was wondering this same problem. I got an idea, that taking credits totally away from some pro-events, could help with this issue. Those bad-apples want desperately to win maybe because credits, so they would choose those races where still have prize-money?
 
Private rooms
Special times like the normal xx:15, xx:30 etc
Race with bunch of friends or clan
Race at night when the kids are asleep, chances of an adult playing is more likley and chances of winning some dosh is higher ( races are like 3 cars etc..)

Woo
 
With GT5P we can reduce it with different start times, race in the middle of the night, all pull over at the start, maybe have a GTP pace setters to specifically knock out the punters (last one was a joke btw!), but it will never go away until we obviously have private racing and race affecting damage in the full GT5.


I know this is GT5P, but while we are on the subject on punting, PD need to working on it as a main priority behind private racing on the FULL GT5, and certainly ahead of more and more cars being added to the game.

Similar to how EA measure disconnects in their EA nation, PD should come up with a system that measures how many times you 'touch' another car at pace, and supply this data for everyone to see on your profile, the less punts/touches the cleaner the driver. Its hardly difficult to do.
That way, when private races are around, you can search for, set it to avoid the worst levels, and race against other drivers with the same clean style you have.
(Just the same way the punters can search for their mates if they want a demolition derby lol!).

Bascially there has to be something in place that just doesn't encourage, but seriously rewards clean driving.... whether its tropheys, credits, or online driving skill points.

I would even be for weight handicaps for punters....let touching/punting activites be monitored, certain levels get warnings with more and more weight being added at a time, least that way they would have absolutley no choice but to drive cleanly before they can lose the weight handicap and remove them from their on-line profile and become quick again.
 
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I'm trying to imagine what people would do if you had a 'penalty weight' system where you got heavier and heavier the more you punted. The funny part is, weight helps you punt better :)

You could do 'weight reduces again for every race you run with NO contact at all'. That would work.

I could see rear-ending penalties as that's fairly straightforward, but I'm not sure how that relates to the side-slam punting I've seen. How can you calculate who was trying to punt who? Even rear-ending, what if you had someone brake-check in front of you specifically to increase your penalty? It becomes a game in itself when it's complicated or trying to be 'fair'. And then what if you have people using disposable accounts just to punt with to inflict penalties on others?

In a way I love the idea and in a way I'm appalled. I don't think such a thing can be implemented if it's a serious penalty. Maybe different ranking classes, 'with contact' and 'zero contact', where you could get on a leaderboard specifically for races in which you did not touch or GET touched by any other car for any reason. If you got punted you'd be out of the running for that race but you could still finish and even win, you're just switched to the other leaderboard. You could have a publically displayed ranking that was exclusively how you stood on the no-contact one- anyone who always punted wouldn't even get a rating at all.

Or, start order could be not in order of inverse PP, but in order of the no-contact ranking, thus making it more difficult to beat anyone who had done well in no-contact. Punt 'em and they AND YOU are out for the race, it won't help you. Only way to pass them in the ranking is to win over them in a race where you had no contact... or get a better laptime or something.

I dunno. It's an interesting problem...

Ranking of number of times you've passed somebody with no contact? I guess people could inflate that by driving stop-and-start down the road with a friend, each passing the other and then stopping. There is so little that can't be gamed in some obvious way...
 
Many good points here. I think that the 'solution' to punters is this:
Let's say Damage exists, and is at least moderately realistic. And, you must pay to repair your car, more broken parts = more cost. And, prize money doesn't extend to the tail of the finishers.

In this scenario, Punters will simply not be able to afford to continue doing so.
 
Make contact more sensitive, giving them more penalty, or even disqualify them that will put some sense to their head that its not a kentucky dirby race.

Or having a point system where, if you have to much damage points u cannot enter a race, until it has been lowered by racing lower class races, and claiming a clean race.
 
One problem with GT5P is simply the exaggerated effect of collisions, in which even minor bumping causes the cars to shoot off the road. Ferrari Challenge has much more reasonable collisions effects & as a result punting rarely effects the outcome of races.

In GT5, there could be a "career" mode online with a series of races. Prize money would be earned by finishing well, which could be used to buy upgrades to improve the performance of your car, but damage would have to be paid for out of those earnings, reducing the money available for upgrades, & therefore making a "reckless" driver less competitive.
 
Biggles
One problem with GT5P is simply the exaggerated effect of collisions, in which even minor bumping causes the cars to shoot off the road. Ferrari Challenge has much more reasonable collisions effects & as a result punting rarely effects the outcome of races.
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I agree, I think low-speed bumps between cars result in too much bounce. This needs to be toned down imo. As it is, it makes me damn nervous even the slightest contact.
 
For me me theres no punting problem, theres a catchup logic problem which result in horrible lag and causing most of the punts.

I say this because i usually only drive in pro events where i get not punt in the last few months since the boost catchup was disabled, just rarely on occassions by accident.
but yesterday i thought it was a good idea to race intermediate Suzuka 750... it lagged like hell, cars flashing all over the place and of course i got punted at every corner.
So, once again GTs boost system does not only cause ridicilous LAG it also encourages bad driving habbits
... and its simply unrealistic.
 
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For me me theres no punting problem, theres a catchup logic problem which result in horrible lag and causing most of the punts.

I say this because i usually only drive in pro events where i get not punt in the last few months since the boost catchup was disabled, just rarely on occassions by accident.
but yesterday i thought it was a good idea to race intermediate Suzuka 750... it lagged like hell, cars flashing all over the place and of course i got punted at every corner.
So, once again GTs boost system does not only cause ridicilous LAG it also encourages bad driving habbits
... and its simply unrealistic.
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I had the same idea about the world event as there was no competition in Pro events in NZ's time frame.....WOW what a joke.

If you want manic racing with no rules go there....I would only hope that these people don't decide to "up skill" and try their luck in the Pro events.
 
Yeah, I had a go at it as well once. It was just punters left, right and centre. The other thing I hate about that 750pp event is that it is Standard Physics.

To avoid punters race pro events at times set on this site in 'Race Events'. That way you will get many more GTPer's and less punters.
 
I think I'll make a test.. i'll try and find out if driving without GTP-tag causes a drop in the amount of punting..
 
I think a rating system would work.Depending on your driving skills you can move up or move down in the rankings.The cleaner you drive,you move up with the other advanced skilled drivers.The worse you drive , well then your stuck in the drudges and get to play bumper cars with all of your other punfest friends.

The system would have to be well tuned in able for it to work properly.We all at one time or another have bumped,nudged somebody right ? Make it so it is a little on the forgiving side in case of the mild bumps.For the hard hits and slams , you will get docked for rough driving and you can lose skill level points and lowering the level at which you can compete.It can be managed by grouping drivers with certain skill levels points to a race of the same talent level. 💡
 
I was in the expert AWD Suzuka when a guy waited for me and punted me HARD three times running, then waited while I got back on track to punt me again. I was the host, and for the first time, I sank the race.
 
Flogger
I was in the expert AWD Suzuka when a guy waited for me and punted me HARD three times running, then waited while I got back on track to punt me again. I was the host, and for the first time, I sank the race.
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..did you touch him beforehand? (or lag?) Maybe he thought you had deliberately touched him and he was on a mission to get you off, hence he was even waiting. Can't see why he was actually waiting to do it otherwise, unless he got off punting :crazy:

Sometimes you can come across some kids who are so good at the art of punting and are so on a mission to suceed in doing it, that you feel you have nothing else but to lower yourself to their level. No excuse I know, and its always better to just finish ahead of them, but it can drive you mad and after 5+ punts to yourself and no way off getting past, you end up squeezing through in a place you shouldn't 'off' ;) attempted and knocking them wide (why is there no down-window-and-give-finger option as you drive away) or as you say, even quiting before you throw the controller at the tele :(
 
scleeve
..did you touch him beforehand? (or lag?) Maybe he thought you had deliberately touched him and he was on a mission to get you off, hence he was even waiting. Can't see why he was actually waiting to do it otherwise, unless he got off punting :crazy:

Sometimes you can come across some kids who are so good at the art of punting and are so on a mission to suceed in doing it, that you feel you have nothing else but to lower yourself to their level. No excuse I know, and its always better to just finish ahead of them, but it can drive you mad and after 5+ punts to yourself and no way off getting past, you end up squeezing through in a place you shouldn't 'off' ;) attempted and knocking them wide (why is there no down-window-and-give-finger option as you drive away) or as you say, even quiting before you throw the controller at the tele :(
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Nope, didn't recognize the handle, and it was in the first turn of my first race ever in the event, so I had no time to make him hate me. I usually shrug it off and finish ahead of them. Before the last update Suzuka 750 was the punters paradise, but since the update they have infected Fuji 650, too.
 

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