How to report blatant cheaters

[Matty28]

Greetings,

I have just wasted my life typing out a nice post and uploading an edited video of some blatant cheaters shunting people off so they can win an FIA race. It is as blatant as picking up a football and putting it into the back of the net so not really disputable. But my thread was removed. I assume the naming of cheaters is not liked by someone outside of the comprehension of myself. So without naming any names, does anyone know how I can report the cheaters to PD so they get banned?

 

[Famine]

But my thread was removed, I assume they don't like me naming the cheaters. I hope they don't want to cover up the fact that this is happening.

I don't know who "they" is, but we don't allow naming and shaming.

does anyone know how I can report the cheaters to PD so they get banned?

Nope.

You can report players in the game, but the drop-down menu of reasons options doesn't seem to include cheating.

 

[Matty28]

I don't know who "they" is, but we don't allow naming and shaming.

Nope.

You can report players in the game, but the drop-down menu of reasons options doesn't seem to include cheating.

I also have no idea who "they" is. That is a shame. Someone, somewhere (not me) might conclude "if you can't beat em, join em" if there's no way to stop them.

 

[jimbo197]

I saw your OP and started replying--
I'm not sure name calling is a good strategy to go down, as there will always be people like this, they'll get bored quickly and go back to another game. Nor do I think a reporting tool would work as that could just get played as much as the current system, maybe used by bullies or always against race leader...

My personal opinion is just keep out of harms way and push Poly for a SS and SSS safety rating (or re-stratifying the current ratings), if clean racing is your thing.

 

[baldgye]

I also have no idea who "they" is. That is a shame. Someone, somewhere (not me) might conclude "if you can't beat em, join em" if there's no way to stop them.

Probably not here though, seems a large part of the communit can’t even agree to take the fastest line

 

[daan]

But my thread was removed.

Yes, it was.

Because this...

but we don't allow naming and shaming.

... is a thing here.

 

[Matty28]

I saw your OP and started replying--
I'm not sure name calling is a good strategy to go down, as there will always be people like this, they'll get bored quickly and go back to another game. Nor do I think a reporting tool would work as that could just get played as much as the current system, maybe used by bullies or always against race leader...

My personal opinion is just keep out of harms way and push Poly for a SS and SSS safety rating (or re-stratifying the current ratings), if clean racing is your thing.

Well it's not going to achieve anything generally but I hoped maybe someone from PD would see it. I know there's copyright people that search for content to block so maybe PD has an anti-cheater team or something. If PD only banned on a beyond all reasonable doubt basis I doubt anyone would be banned unfairly and it wouldn't be played. They have more statistics than us remember, they might be able to know the two concerned had IP addresses located on the same street or that they were PSN friends or have been reported multiple times for the same thing. It wouldn't work if it was just a banhammer dished out to reportees without much thought but if they do it properly like say Runescape it could work great. Cheating to win isn't just trolling so I'm not sure if they will get bored quickly. Dopers in sport didn't get bored after one competition. I don't mean a report system where people are kicked from a race - I certainly don't want that. These guys were A SR (I think). As long as they make it easy to lose an S rating then it should protect everyone in the S rating and there would be no need for SS SSS etc.

If anyone could quote @daan 's quote of Famine for me to just to reinforce it one more time that would be wonderful

 

[KingFrog]

Because ramming/corner cutting isn't considered cheating? Cheating = modifying the game's code or exploiting a BUG to gain an upper hand.

 

[Matty28]

So presumably you think it is impossible to cheat in real sports?

Of course working as a team in a free for all to ram people off the track so you can win is cheating.

 

[Steven Keeney]

It's a game. Have fun. You can't and won't win every race. The game has a built in system to penalized cheaters.... DR and SR. I don't worry much anymore about 'the other guy' . Awhile back I got all bent us people kept banging and bumping, but that is usually just inexperience and people thinking they are that much faster than everyone else. In reality, most races are evenly matched. If you start in the bottom half, there's no way you'll win, so try to pick up a position or so and be happy for the competition.

Do your best, have fun, play fair. What other drivers do is on them.

 

[Matty28]

It's a game. Have fun. You can't and won't win every race... I don't worry much anymore about 'the other guy' . If you start in the bottom half, there's no way you'll win, so try to pick up a position or so and be happy for the competition.

Do your best, have fun, play fair. What other drivers do is on them.

Alright if the popular opinion is that cheaters should be allowed to get on and cheat in a competition that's what I'll do. If you want to join my ramming team let me know. If we can get enough people then we'll be able to get multiple people in the FIA races and we can bid to win or take it in turns or something. I can't believe you're even saying that this is okay. And two people actually liked your comment! How are you going to feel when my mate targets you repeatedly so I can win huh?

Awhile back I got all bent us people kept banging and bumping, but that is usually just inexperience and people thinking they are that much faster than everyone else

This is irrelevant and nothing to do with what I am talking about.

In reality, most races are evenly matched

Not sure I'd say that; I've been in races where there's 7+ seconds between me and the slowest! Once you drop out of S SR it's very poorly matched. In an FIA race I won yesterday, I lapped 3 people, the slowest of whom was 25 seconds a lap slower! That's how it is on Assetto Corsa where they have no matching at all.

And the penalty system is 100% useless just like all racing games. I lose 5 seconds going off the track and I get a 5 second penalty which loses me 10 seconds trying to get rid of. However I can cut corners or ram people at the start and by the end of the race the penalty will have disappeared anyway. But who cares about corner cutting "It's a game. Have fun what other drivers do is on them"

 

[dylpro]

Alright if the popular opinion is that cheaters should be allowed to get on and cheat in a competition that's what I'll do. If you want to join my ramming team let me know. If we can get enough people then we'll be able to get multiple people in the FIA races and we can bid to win or take it in turns or something. I can't believe you're even saying that this is okay. And two people actually liked your comment! How are you going to feel when my mate targets you repeatedly so I can win huh?

I mean, if you think that's constructive.

If you're being honest with yourself, stuff like this happens maybe 1 out of every 50 times. I've never even had a race where I've been punted in the corners. Not saying it doesn't happen, not saying it didn't happen to someone else in a race I was in. But simply put, if you're just aware of what other people are doing, it's not all that hard to avoid stuff like this.

But what do I know, I'm just a giant tortoise.

 

[Matty28]

It's not being punted - it's 2 people working as a team to deliberately punt so they can win.

I can avoid crap drivers half the time but not all of the time, I am highly surprised you've never been crashed off from behind. I brake very late and it still happens at least once every 3-5 races. It is difficult to avoid people who are directly behind by a few metres but don't brake for a whole second after you brake which is already braking on the absolute limit. I probably encounter it more partially because I often don't qualify for daily races as it's pretty fun trying to make my way up the pack rather than just doing 3 laps out front.

There's a lot of these tortoises on this forum apparently!

 

[dylpro]

It's not being punted - it's 2 people working as a team to deliberately punt so they can win.

I can avoid crap drivers half the time but not all of the time, I am highly surprised you've never been crashed off from behind. I brake very late and it still happens at least once every 3-5 races. It is difficult to avoid people who are directly behind by a few metres but don't brake for a whole second after you brake which is already braking on the absolute limit. I probably encounter it more partially because I often don't qualify for daily races as it's pretty fun trying to make my way up the pack rather than just doing 3 laps out front.

There's a lot of these tortoises on this forum apparently!

And the penny drops

You’re inviting this upon yourself buddy. Below the top 8, hell I’d wager top 5 the carnage is going to increase ten fold

 

[DriftMethod]

Discover -> Car Livery -> Search -> entered "tortoise" -> Disappointment. Why am I even here?

 

[Voodoovaj]

Why does this even surprise anyone anymore?

If PD "banned" all the so called cheaters, there would be a handful of players left and then, like Highlander, they would take each other out until there was only 1 left .... I imagine they would then have the gift of eternal life and the knowledge of the universe bestowed upon him, or her.

 

[1MSC]

So you say that if PD removes the people who is cheating, and people who only are interested in destroying other players race´s. Then the clean players will start to drive dirty? (Of course people will still make honest mistakes but that is not the point here)

 

[Matty28]

And the penny drops

You’re inviting this upon yourself buddy. Below the top 8, hell I’d wager top 5 the carnage is going to increase ten fold

So now you are saying that if you don't qualify you deserve to be the victim of organised cheating? That if you aren't in the top 3 you should expect cheating (not bad driving)? Do you realise that in this race I qualified 3rd behind one of the cheaters and the other guy featured in the video? I still don't know why you are referring to "carnage"?

Why does this even surprise anyone anymore?

If PD "banned" all the so called cheaters, there would be a handful of players left and then, like Highlander, they would take each other out until there was only 1 left .... I imagine they would then have the gift of eternal life and the knowledge of the universe bestowed upon him, or her.

Surprised me because I have never encountered it on Assetto Corsa or iRacing online, or GT Sport until that race.

Like 1MSC said I don't follow the logic. I do not see why banning cheaters compels good drivers to become cheaters. In fact quite the opposite - have you ever heard the phrase "bad money drives out good money"?

 

[kilesa4568]

I once did a quick match in GT6 where it was me against 3 Germans* and I was constantly beating them. They started to team up by driving side by side to block me, hitting me whenever I got close to passing and I don't think I got another win after they started. I haven't laughed that much in long time.

*Nationality not relevant other than it was 3 against one.

Online racing is rough when you're working your way through the ranks and it gets a whole lot tougher when you reach your rank. You need to chill out or you'll never enjoy it.

 

[Matty28]

I wouldn't have posted this if it was a quick match. As I said earlier no I will not just learn to live with cheaters in competitions. If we do then there is no competition. Do you accept cheating in division 3 football or high school basketball?

 

[Crazy Taylor]

The best way to beat cheaters IS TO BE A CHEATERS THE RIGHT WAY and as they say CHEATERS NEVER PROSPER

 

[Mr616]

Probably not here though, seems a large part of the communit can’t even agree to take the fastest line

No, some morally handicap themselves. Others just drive fast

 

[kilesa4568]

Do you accept cheating in division 3 football or high school basketball?

Considering you still see diving and playing on fouls in division 3 football and I had no problem with a professional foul in basketball to stop people scoring or even the extra time I spent in the sin bin in rugby. Yes, I do. It adds to the drama.

You're obviously wound up too tightly on this though so I'll wish you luck and back out.

(I'll give a small bit of advice from behind my waving white flag. Try and lower your expectations a little bit. It's not as far to fall to reality.)

 

[Matty28]

Considering you still see diving and playing on fouls in division 3 football and I had no problem with a professional foul in basketball to stop people scoring or even the extra time I spent in the sin bin in rugby. Yes, I do. It adds to the drama.

You're obviously wound up too tightly on this though so I'll wish you luck and back out.

(I'll give a small bit of advice from behind my waving white flag. Try and lower your expectations a little bit. It's not as far to fall to reality.)

And what happens to people who commit dives and fouls when they are caught? Does the ref go "uh.. you should lower your expectations - can't believe you fans and participants were expecting a fair competition"?

There's one difference you seem to have missed regarding cheating adding to the drama (debatable anyway) - I'm not a spectator! There are no spectators.

Do you think the Russian Olympic team should be allowed to compete?

Can you describe in detail what you think I am talking about? Just to be sure you understand.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Like 1MSC said I don't follow the logic. I do not see why banning cheaters compels good drivers to become cheaters. In fact quite the opposite - have you ever heard the phrase "bad money drives out good money"?

It was sarcasm.

That said, good drivers do become cheaters when there is enough on the line.







Hmmm, actually, maybe being a GREAT driver means having some cheater in you as well.

 

[kilesa4568]

Can you describe in detail what you think I am talking about? Just to be sure you understand.

It's not being punted - it's 2 people working as a team to deliberately punt so they can win.

That's all the detail I needed and the reason I wrote this:

I once did a quick match in GT6 where it was me against 3 Germans* and I was constantly beating them. They started to team up by driving side by side to block me, hitting me whenever I got close to passing and I don't think I got another win after they started. I haven't laughed that much in long time.

This forum is full of old angry threads like yours. Some people can live with it, some can't. C'est la vie, or in the case of some online racing, c'est la guerre.

Unless you're in the top ranks, there's not much chance of you meeting the same people together again so keep calm and carry on. Dwelling on this is daft.

I'm still waving the white flag btw.

 

[Matty28]

It was sarcasm.

That said, good drivers do become cheaters when there is enough on the line.







Hmmm, actually, maybe being a GREAT driver means having some cheater in you as well.

But you see these may or may not be cheats. There's clear motive but there is reasonable doubt. Maybe they just made over-zealous moves. Maybe they misjudged it. No one knows if they were deliberate but them (although we can strongly suspect). My video showed them clearly waiting for me and this other guy to pass so they could ram us and that they were working together not just trolls. If all of those drivers had a decal on the side of their car saying "I am going to deliberately ram _____ off the road so I can win the championship" or in an interview afterwards don't you think they'd have been DQed?

This forum is full of old angry threads like yours. Some people can live with it, some can't. C'est la vie, or in the case of some online racing, c'est la guerre.

Unless you're in the top ranks, there's not much chance of you meeting the same people together again so keep calm and carry on. Dwelling on this is daft.

I'm still waving the white flag btw.

But I am not one of these "old angry threads" - the vast majority of those are just complaining about trolls and bad drivers NOT organised cheaters. After playing AC, Forza, GT online for years do you not think I recognise not much can be done about trolls and bad drivers? And again the only reason I posted this is because it was in an FIA race which is supposed to be a proper competition not a random race. I assume you mean "unless you drop out of the top ranks". If blatant cheating is not worth dwelling on, what is? And who even says I am dwelling on it? I posted originally in the hope PD would see it or to find out how I could report them so they'd get banned. To my amazement it seems everyone but me is happy with cheating, some actively encouraging it so a discussion ensued.

There are rules in a competition so everyone can compete. If you allow people to break those rules your competition becomes a joke and null. This is why we see so much reporting on doping in sports recently, why sports have things like black flags or red cards. Apparently in GT Sport there's only the green light and the "shut up/join in/get over it/don't let morals get in the way/it's great fun/I love cheating" crew.

 

[GT_Alex74]

A report function would be great, at the condition it would require you to send a video clip of the incident. That would actually encourage people not to complain for nothing and avoid rage quits to be able to save replays.

 

[kilesa4568]

But you see these may or may not be cheats. There's clear motive but there is reasonable doubt. Maybe they just made over-zealous moves. Maybe they misjudged it. No one knows if they were deliberate but them (although we can strongly suspect). My video showed them clearly waiting for me and this other guy to pass so they could ram us and that they were working together not just trolls. If all of those drivers had a decal on the side of their car saying "I am going to deliberately ram _____ off the road so I can win the championship" or in an interview afterwards don't you think they'd have been DQed?


But I am not one of these "old angry threads" - the vast majority of those are just complaining about trolls and bad drivers NOT organised cheaters. After playing AC, Forza, GT online for years do you not think I recognise not much can be done about trolls and bad drivers? And again the only reason I posted this is because it was in an FIA race which is supposed to be a proper competition not a random race. I assume you mean "unless you drop out of the top ranks". If blatant cheating is not worth dwelling on, what is? And who even says I am dwelling on it? I posted originally in the hope PD would see it or to find out how I could report them so they'd get banned. To my amazement it seems everyone but me is happy with cheating, some actively encouraging it so a discussion ensued.

There are rules in a competition so everyone can compete. If you allow people to break those rules your competition becomes a joke and null. This is why we see so much reporting on doping in sports recently, why sports have things like black flags or red cards. Apparently in GT Sport there's only the green light and the "shut up/join in/get over it/don't let morals get in the way/it's great fun/I love cheating" crew.

Dude, I can see the steam from here. I get it. You're angry.

I've seen worse and let it go but I'm likely a much calmer person than you are.

Apparently in GT Sport there's only the green light and the "shut up/join in/get over it/don't let morals get in the way/it's great fun/I love cheating" crew.

Get over yourself. It's a racing game. The same as any online game, you take the rough with the smooth. If you can't shrug things like this off, you bought the wrong game.

If blatant cheating is not worth dwelling on, what is? And who even says I am dwelling on it?

Me. The thread's nearly a week old and you're still on tilt about it.

Anything said to the contrary is only going to extend your angst so I'll show you my white flag again. I'm frantically waving it now.

 

[Matty28]

Dude, I can see the steam from here. I get it. You're angry.

I've seen worse and let it go but I'm likely a much calmer person than you are.



Get over yourself. It's a racing game. The same as any online game, you take the rough with the smooth. If you can't shrug things like this off, you bought the wrong game.



Me. The thread's nearly a week old and you're still on tilt about it.

Anything said to the contrary is only going to extend your angst so I'll show you my white flag again. I'm frantically waving it now.

And you are seemingly very angry about me wanting a way to report blatant cheaters. You want no way to report them and everyone to hush about it and accept it. Maybe it is because you are one?

Please let me know what could be worse that you have seen.

Yes, the same as any online game where I don't want to be unable to compete because of cheaters. What is the point in a fake competition? In CoD do I want the 5 other people on my team to actually be on the other team and just keep spawn killing me? No! What kind of a weirdo wants this?!

I'm still replying to the thread because you and others are still replying to the thread! Again, another weird suggestion that I should post the thread and then just ignore the responses? Refuse to engage in any conversation? Justify this strange position.

It strikes me a bit odd that you would refute the idea of a reporting system and say that you are happy to be the victim of blatant cheaters but simultaneously like these posts:
kilesa4568 liked GTR365's post in the thread Variety vs Specialty.
I echo this. 'Practice' should not occur during competition. The result of such is frustratingly unpredictable for all parties. I rarely race in Sport Mode. After racing since original Gran Turismo, I often prefer just to cruise at between...
Yesterday at 5:36 PM
So you're whinging about people practicing in races because it makes it "frustratingly unpredictable" but simultaneously telling me to shut up about actual cheating?

kilesa4568 liked bone_tone's post in the thread QM Exiles.
It's the way that they cut corners that gets me - occasionally they use the track, but not often! There's something in me that won't let me do that, no matter how much I try......
Today at 2:55 PM
So you're whinging about people cutting corners (it's not cutting corners unless the game gives you a penalty) but simultaneously telling me to shut up about actual cheating? Also, mr616's comment is in direct contradiction of this but you liked it.

I hope I meet you in an FIA race so I can test your apparent calmness and enjoyment of cheating. I guess you'll be sweating profusely at the thought of me straight lining the Monza chicanes but laughing your face off when I target you repeatedly lol.