How would you characterize my behavior?

  • Thread starter Thread starter GT5Power
  • 35 comments
  • 2,646 views
GT5Power

GT5Power

Messages
2,247
Greece
Athens
Messages
VQS_Ntinoskonsta
This is a video from a month and a half ago. It was a great race, but the guy who came in 2nd called me out on weaving after the race. After watching the replay, I can only assume that it was because of what happened on the straight at the 15:20 mark. What do you make of it? Were my moves too unpredictable or unsportsmanlike?



Note that the slipstream had barely any effect thanks to my car's top end speed; I was still gaining a lot despite him being in the draft. I am aware of the "one change of line to defend" rule, though every site I've read about it on seems to state that it's for when the attacking car is getting closer.

I have since abandoned this practice (I was doing it almost unconsciously in that case, as I was very stressed), but this is one of the wins I'm really fond of and it kind of feels hollow :indiff:
 
Last edited:
You're fine, you can do what you want until it comes to actually defending, which you weren't because he wasn't gaining on you and you weren't near the braking zone yet. I wouldn't let a nothing complaint make you feel bad, but if you are that self-conscious about doing that weaving move then you might as well stop.
 
Jamie Bbbbb
You're fine, you can do what you want until it comes to actually defending, which you weren't because he wasn't gaining on you and you weren't near the braking zone yet. I wouldn't let a nothing complaint make you feel bad, but if you are that self-conscious about doing that weaving move then you might as well stop.
Click to expand...
I did stop. I want to race and win as fairly as possible, so if my main opponent in a race I won thinks I didn't beat him fairly, it's kind of annoying for me. You're right however, I shouldn't let this kind of stuff get to me. :)
 
It's hard to tell from the replay view, would need to see the other drivers bumper cam. It does look like you weaved ever so slightly though...
 
VBR
It's hard to tell from the replay view, would need to see the other drivers bumper cam. It does look like you weaved ever so slightly though...
Click to expand...
Unfortunately, I have limited access to my PS4 right now, so that's all I can provide you with. I'll be the first to admit that I did weave, but was I entitled to it since I was not defending? Under no circumstances could he have gone for a move until after Mulsanne because he couldn't even keep up on the straights. He also couldn't have gotten any closer to me after the incident than he did in the video, as he touched my rear bumper while exiting the chicane.
 
GT5Power
I'll be the first to admit that I did weave, but was I entitled to it since I was not defending?
Click to expand...


There are no rules to Sport Mode, therefore you weren't breaking any! However, looking in your mirrors while weaving all over the track trying to stop your opponent from passing you is against the rules of many forms of motorsport, & is considered a dirty tactic by real world race drivers. Most clean sim racers I've met frown upon it too.
 
VBR
There are no rules to Sport Mode, therefore you weren't breaking any! However, looking in your mirrors while weaving all over the track trying to stop your opponent from passing you is against the rules of many forms of motorsport, & is considered a dirty tactic by real world race drivers. Most clean sim racers I've met frown upon it too.
Click to expand...
I'm perfectly aware, but like I said: Does this incident fall under the "preventing my opponent from passing me" category at all? Because nothing would have changed if I hadn't done it. It's technically not defensive driving in a vacuum, because I, the leading car, am gaining. There isn't really a rule that covers this in motorsport, because top speed differences upwards of 35 km/h don't exist anywhere. If car A is in the slipstream of car B, then car A is getting closer and this is always so.
 
I'm not a fan of people weaving on straights but I don't see anything wrong there. You're fine. I usually pick my position right at the start of the straight and stay there unless I'm drafting a weaver. Which is why weaving is annoying as you get a long congo line of cars weaving over the track which likely causes problems further back.

I sometimes weave a bit to keep the cars behind me level next to each other, spread the draft :lol: It's the best defense since they'll be going side by side into the corner if you do it right. I suspect some favorites come into play as well now and then. When I'm next to Brazil on the straight drafting another Brazilian, he'll often move over to give the draft to his country fellow.

If it's just one other car, no point in weaving. I rather have them pass me early so I can take their draft and pass again.
 
GT5Power
I'm perfectly aware, but like I said: Does this incident fall under the "preventing my opponent from passing me" category at all? Because nothing would have changed if I hadn't done it. It's technically not defensive driving in a vacuum, because I, the leading car, am gaining. There isn't really a rule that covers this in motorsport, because top speed differences upwards of 35 km/h don't exist anywhere. If car A is in the slipstream of car B, then car A is getting closer and this is always so.
Click to expand...


Good point. It could be classed as weaving to stop your opponent from drafting you (which is always against the rules to any series or lobbys I've ever run in GT). Whether one is weaving to stop opponents from passing or slipstreaming; both are potentially dangerous in the real world & thus discouraged. That said, there's no real danger in a sim, so does the same thinking apply? Many peoples thoughts & expectations in this regard are somewhat shaped by the kind of motorsports they watch. And, seeing as we watch different forms of motorsport, we can sometimes each have different thoughts on the matter. Most clean sim racers I've personally raced would consider the behaviour unbecoming, & not very sporting. But, at the end of the day GT Sport is just a game, & we race how we want to as individuals. Opinions differ, & that's ok imho!
 
GT5Power
This is a video from a month and a half ago. It was a great race, but the guy who came in 2nd called me out on weaving after the race. After watching the replay, I can only assume that it was because of what happened on the straight at the 15:20 mark. What do you make of it? Were my moves too unpredictable or unsportsmanlike?



Note that the slipstream had barely any effect thanks to my car's top end speed; I was still gaining a lot despite him being in the draft. I am aware of the "one change of line to defend" rule, though every site I've read about it on seems to state that it's for when the attacking car is getting closer.

I have since abandoned this practice (I was doing it almost unconsciously in that case, as I was very stressed), but this is one of the wins I'm really fond of and it kind of feels hollow :indiff:
Click to expand...


I say you are fine because you did not weave to block a pass rather you were weaving to break the draft which is entirely different.
 
His car has better acceleration out of the corners, it's likely he could have got alongside you or even past if you had held a line.

Personally, I find weaving irritating. It's not sportsmanlike which is why you don't see it in real racing.
 
I respect both of your opinion about weaving in general being unsportsmanlike, but I have to state something.

NevilleNobody
Not a fan. Slowly gliding over to one side is bad enough but you clearly glide back again.

Tis not racing.
Click to expand...

In F1, and I assume other forms of motorsport too, drivers are entitled to go from the outside to the inside and vice versa once, then they can return to their original line. Gliding over to one side and then back to the other side is allowed, plus going from the left side to the right side of the track was forced in this case due to how the racing line is.

vvise
His car has better acceleration out of the corners, it's likely he could have got alongside you or even past if you had held a line.

Personally, I find weaving irritating. It's not sportsmanlike which is why you don't see it in real racing.
Click to expand...

Even if he could have gotten alongside or past me, I think he would have been better off just staying in the slipstream. He would at least fall behind slower if he did that and he definitely wouldn't want me in his draft. As long as there is a long straight after the next corner (there were two here) there's nothing he can do. The top speed discrepancy is so huge that I'm just going to fly past again (with even more momentum if he had actually overtaken me) and gain another half second on top of that.
 
I don't think it would necessarily have altered the result, however I do feel that what you did was unsporting. 'illegal' probably not, but unsporting yes.

You used, by your own admission, a weave to try and remove him from your slipstream, which is unsportsmanly. You don't see F1 cars, touring cars or any others swerving all over the straights to try and 'shake' someone from their draft.

It's an unpopular opinion, but I don't think that is good behaviour. I agree that it probably wouldn't have affected the result, but in the same vein, someone way out back still shouldn't cut corners, even if they'd remain in last.
 
I don't see anything against the rules but I find the weaving annoying. If you change your racingline to defend on the braking, that I can understand but the non-stop weaving on the straights, not a fan of that kind of behaviour. I think the Porsche driver did a really good job in evading an accident or a take out.

You make your driving unpredictable, even on straights lines and that I would be careful with. Further, nice little battle you had going on there 👍
 
NJ72
I don't think it would necessarily have altered the result, however I do feel that what you did was unsporting. 'illegal' probably not, but unsporting yes.

You used, by your own admission, a weave to try and remove him from your slipstream, which is unsportsmanly. You don't see F1 cars, touring cars or any others swerving all over the straights to try and 'shake' someone from their draft.

It's an unpopular opinion, but I don't think that is good behaviour. I agree that it probably wouldn't have affected the result, but in the same vein, someone way out back still shouldn't cut corners, even if they'd remain in last.
Click to expand...

We apparently must not be watching the same cars at these races because it is quite common to see the front car weave to break the draft, especially in the late stages of a race.
 
fastone371
We apparently must not be watching the same cars at these races because it is quite common to see the front car weave to break the draft, especially in the late stages of a race.
Click to expand...

Have you watched the video at the time mark the OP suggests? F1 drivers certainly don't do that - if you know of an F1 race where the lead driver casually wafts from one side of the track to the other then please share it.
 
GT5Power
But I was indeed trying to keep him from catching the draft.
Click to expand...

.......which is exactly why people frown upon tactics like this. It seems like you know the answer to your own question here, like it seems as if you knew you were doing something that’s in a big grey area.
 
NJ72
Have you watched the video at the time mark the OP suggests? F1 drivers certainly don't do that - if you know of an F1 race where the lead driver casually wafts from one side of the track to the other then please share it.
Click to expand...
F1 drivers do, in fact, do this; it is explicitly stated as being allowed once per straight, meaning you can go from the outside to the inside and back to the outside (or vice versa) once. Furthermore, there have been cases of drivers doing this more than once and going unpunished, Hulkenberg in 2016 being one of those according to a quick Google search. Bear in mind that slipstream is much more important in F1 because top speeds are very close, while in this battle I'm easily breaking the slipstream.

soundtiger95
.......which is exactly why people frown upon tactics like this. It seems like you know the answer to your own question here, like it seems as if you knew you were doing something that’s in a big grey area.
Click to expand...
You yourself just said that it's in a big grey area. I wouldn't have needed to ask anyone if it wasn't and I most certainly didn't make a thread to showcase an incident where I'm at fault. I also didn't know my move was questionable until he called me out on it afterwards. This interaction is not fully covered by rules because:
  • One line change from the left to the right side of the track - that would inevitably break the slipstream as well - is forced on this particular straight because of the way the racing line is.
  • It's uncertain whether I can be considered to be defending at that specific moment. I was pulling half a second on him on a straight with him constantly in my slipstream, so my position couldn't possibly have been threatened save for a mistake before Indianapolis.
Bottom line, rules can't address everything. Such moves have been allowed by stewards in real life and, since we're in GTS and not real life, I must also say that far sketchier moves have gone without a penalty in GTS live events. If there was a rule that pertained to this very interaction, this thread would never have had to exist. It's almost always up to someone's discretion whether a move is punishable or not and this decision can never satisfy everyone. Hell, we've seen straight up last minute blocking in live events without any consequences while everyone in the chat went wild, while the opinions here seem to be an even 50/50 split, so it's been relatively very well received :lol:
 
Last edited:
NJ72
Have you watched the video at the time mark the OP suggests? F1 drivers certainly don't do that - if you know of an F1 race where the lead driver casually wafts from one side of the track to the other then please share it.
Click to expand...

See quoted comment above or just watch Max Verstappen. ;);) But I am still a Max fan. :D
 
VBR
There are no rules to Sport Mode
Click to expand...

Actually, there are. You have to watch two videos before you're able to join Sport Mode, and although I agree they're close to useless, one of them explicitly says waving in a straight line is bad.
 
From 15:25 to 15:35 you are seen moving right then left, and again right then left. Each time you moved over one lane, and there are only two lanes in this straight section. So your movement was indeed swerving, but I can't say that you blocked them because the camera angle is not good. There may have been some room for them to get around you but that would be very close to the shoulder. So maybe you did block them, maybe you didn't. I'm just reporting what I saw. I know I would not like it if I was behind you.
If they are indeed a better driver, they will find a way to pass you cleanly. But you need to hold your line -- behave as you wish someone else would behave if the positions were reversed. And if they do gain an advantage entering a turn, you must let them pass. Be a good sportsman. You will have another chance.
 
DGXR
From 15:25 to 15:35 you are seen moving right then left, and again right then left. Each time you moved over one lane, and there are only two lanes in this straight section. So your movement was indeed swerving, but I can't say that you blocked them because the camera angle is not good. There may have been some room for them to get around you but that would be very close to the shoulder. So maybe you did block them, maybe you didn't. I'm just reporting what I saw. I know I would not like it if I was behind you.
If they are indeed a better driver, they will find a way to pass you cleanly. But you need to hold your line -- behave as you wish someone else would behave if the positions were reversed. And if they do gain an advantage entering a turn, you must let them pass. Be a good sportsman. You will have another chance.
Click to expand...
Like I said: there was no danger of being passed at that time because I was still faster than him despite the draft. Therefore, whether or not I blocked him is not even a question. Corner exits were the only places where he had a chance to overtake, and I do believe I left him more than enough space every time he got close enough to pass there :)
 
I don't want to be mean but waving is even more stupid in that case. If the car behind can't overtake you udner slipstream, then you're just losing time yourself by waving.
 
GT_Alex74
I don't want to be mean but waving is even more stupid in that case. If the car behind can't overtake you udner slipstream, then you're just losing time yourself by waving.
Click to expand...
Honestly, I prefer for my move to just be called stupid. :D After all, I did ultimately win that race and now I consciously don't use this tactic anymore. :)
 

Latest Posts

Back