Human AI in gt4??

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RS2 looks a hell of alot better than RS1, Halo 2 looks a hell of alot better than Halo, both of these games are still in development, both of these games look alot better than what the X-Box has at the moment. And they're bigger leaps in graphics than between GT3 and GT4.
 
If the ps2 is being maxed, why is it taking devs who want to see what the ps2 can do take them 4 years to master the ps2. The ps2 is not the xb, devs can make the xb with a clap of their hand. The ps2 is way more flexible than the xb, the xb's juice is already leaving fast while the ps2's juice is slowly coming out.
 
Originally posted by cobragt
I know what you are saying live but are you reading what I'm sayng. GT4P looks better than pgr2 and anyother racer.
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What your saying is that the PS2 is better than the X-Box from a technical point of view, it isn't. You may prefer GT4P's looks to PGR2, tbh I do, but PGR2 has better graphics than GT4P.
 
I'm not saying the ps2 is better than the xb lol, I'm saying gt4p looks way better and more realistic.
 
Originally posted by cobragt
If the ps2 is being maxed, why is it taking devs who want to see what the ps2 can do take them 4 years to master the ps2. The ps2 is not the xb, devs can make the xb with a clap of their hand. The ps2 is way more flexible than the xb, the xb's juice is already leaving fast while the ps2's juice is slowly coming out.
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And I never said the PS2 had been maxed, but the graphical advances has slowed down a hell of alot, there are only a few outstanding games on PS2 graphics wise when comparing them o the older games, even GT4 doesn't look much better than GT3.
 
Again live, with the graphics, when will you learn graphics aren't the only thing that can max a console. I seriously think you are a xbot because only xbots think like that no offense.
 
I'm talking about graphics because thats what everyone has been for the last couple of days in here, the X-Box is more powerful than the PS2, it has moere memory, a faster CPU and better graphics and sound.
 
So Cobragt your telling me the last few posts you’ve made weren’t about graphics?? ………

Originally posted by cobragt
I don't care how many polys live, dlo you really think I care about that? I'm judging what my eyes show me and to say pgr2 has better models is crazy imo. When I first saw it I laughed and thought it was cel-shaded no lie and still, when I get a first glance at it I think it's cel-shaded. The game has sad car models, I have played that game and I laughed at its graphics. Why was haze in the back grounds? That looked bad and lifeliess like everyone has siad about that game. PGR2 can have better graphics all it wants but gt4p kills so bad it's not funny in the realistic look period
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Originally posted by cobragt
I know what you are saying live but are you reading what I'm sayng. GT4P looks better than pgr2 and anyother racer.
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Originally posted by cobragt
Go show a gt4 track vs real life track comparsion to a person who hasn't seen or heard of gt4 and they will be too impressed, can you compare pgr2 to reality? Naw, the game is too colorful and too clean for reality. I just laugh at the thought of pgr2 looking real, that's a wonderful joke guys :lol:
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Originally posted by cobragt
I'm not saying the ps2 is better than the xb lol, I'm saying gt4p looks way better and more realistic.
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….thats all im reading is GT4P is more realistic, better graphics... maybe you should take your own advice before telling other people to stop talking about graphics...
 
Originally posted by cobragt
I'm not saying the ps2 is better than the xb lol, I'm saying gt4p looks way better and more realistic.
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Really.

Originally posted by cobragt
The ps2 can do FSOSA. It's another saying for full screen anti-aliasing. Sony didnt release the documentation of how to achieve it on the PS2 until fall 2002. This can be done, but there's one prob,devs are only human. The ps2 indeed is still ahead of the xb in tech. There are alot of game that look better than ps2 game on the xb but ofc that's opinion but again, what about performance?
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I am a strong Playstation supporter.
When I think back and compare some of the early XBOX games to some of the early PS2 games, XBOX looked better. But, Bill gates and his 'team' knew when they were in for a challenge when they decided to take on the great machine that is the PS.
What made the XBOX a lesser marketing tool was simply the games catalogue and the fact some people thought they were buying a PC that plugged into your TV.
When people bought the PS2 they new they were getting a strong catalogue of games, and the promise of future expansion (3 yrs on, and the UK concoles still haven't been given their HD :( )
 
Will you feel better if I say the xb has a better GPU? Because it does but the ps2 has a more powerful cpu, a 32 bit console can not out do a 128 bit console, fact and if you can accept that I'm sry. I suggest me and you and who ever else has a prob or want a say so in this debate to get some business else where because we really aren't getting anywhere with this debate.
 
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GAME CUUUUUBE!
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Originally posted by ShobThaBob
The XBOX looks fantastic, but I have yet to play a game that doesn't lag on it. Id gladly take the slightly downed graphics of my gamecube for completely smooth running. Also, the XBOX crashes like no other....just like microsoft's computers.
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What are you smoking? My Xbox doesnt crash at all for the year or so ive had it. And the only way to get something to lag on it is to make it display so many decals,sprites,lighting. Halo if you bash a corpse so long it will lag due to all the blood, MGS2 it will lag with all the smoke. Other then that i have yet to see lag.

733mhz celeron as found within the XBox.
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Xbox uses the coppermine pentium processor. Granted its changed some.

-32MB Direct RDRAM 2 channels at 800MHz
This means that the PS2's powerful Emotion Engine can manipulate the data stored in the RAM fast enough to compete with the XBox' memory access time. This is very important cause all data is stored there (even the graphics because the VRAM is included in those 32MB of RAM). Judging by the information that Microsoft and Sont have released it looks like the PS2 can also compress and decompress images faster than the XBox because of the implementation of the MPEG2 decoder on the CPU. And you really have to take the extremely fast (48GB/sec) VRAM of the PS2 Graphics Synthesizer into account because this eliminates a lot of bandwidth problems developers could have on the XBox, also most parts of the Emotion Engine can independently transfer data to the Graphics Synthesizer. But then again the XBox has 6.4GB/sec memory bandwidth on the RAM while the PS2 has 3.2GB/sec there. So it's difficult to say which console has the real advantage here, some developers say they like the XBox more because it has more memory, others say that even if the XBox had 128MB of RAM they would still prefer PS2's memory system.
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Memory never reaches the max speed that they say it is. It depends on what speed your I/O stuff is running at too.

If we compare top-quality XBox games like Halo and Dead or Alive 3 with top-quality PS2 games like Metal Gear Solid 2 and Final Fantasy X, we see that the graphical quality is slightly better on the PS2.
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Seeshh! What ARE you people smoking?

But Sony's research team has developed a 'Performance Analyzer' that shows that Gran Turismo 3 doesn't even use 25% of the PS2's power.
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So your telling me the cpu load never goes over 25% while playing GT3? Hah please. Copying pasting most of your information is newbish too.
 
The X-Box has a very different CPU to the PS2, the X-Box CPU is more powerful than the PS2 CPU, the Celleron in the X-Box runs faster than the PS2's, the PS2's chip has been explained already and due to the way it works can be compared in performance to a PC CPU runnaing at 600mhz, the X-Box CPU is comparable to a PC chip running at 733mhz.
 
Cobra, nobody cares what console is better. You like GT4 Prologue, then good for you. It's not like you are a Sony employee trying to sell more PS2's here. Shut up with your "it looks better than PGR2 IMO" crap. We don't care anymore. You have been saying this for so long now. I try to avoid threads where you post because I'm almost sure I'll see something like GT4 is most realistic, or PS2 still hasn't been maxed out, and more crap like that. ONCE AGAIN... WE DONT CARE!! We are all here because we like GT3, and soon GT4. Chances are we all have PS2's... so why bother continuously talking about the same debate which only YOU seem to care about. Please take an open perspective when formulating your opinions.
 
I care, so there.
I deliberately made that rhyme.
 
It's ironic, we are talking about xb vs s2 and GC can easliy kill both in graphics, think different, look at resident evil 4.
 
But I still think the xb isn't all that more powerful, agree with me or not. I'm yet to see a xb game with amazing performance.
 
If you want amazing graphics, check out Vib Ribbon on PS1!
 
So you agree that it is more poweful than the PS2, I don't mind you saying it's not much more poweful, it's not. But this discussion is over now, yes?
 
Originally posted by ultrabeat
If you want amazing graphics, check out Vib Ribbon on PS1!
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Vibbi looked way better than Lara Croft in AoD, or Solid snakke in SoL.
 
Unlike the xb, the ps2 is very flexible, that's why most ps2 games are artistic, like mgs3 or ico. The xb is what I call a straight forward console; meaning a xb dev doesn't have to go in circles or a maze to get what they want like bump mapping. The ps2 is a maze console; if you want bump mapping, you must do some serious coding, jak2 anyone? To get dynamic lighting, ou must some serious coding, sh3 anyone?When will ppl understand that the ps2 is not easy to develop for and it's not easy to max, the xb is.
 
Oh my god, here we go again.:banghead:

The fact that the PS2 is hard to program for is a BAD thing, it means developers have to pay more and take more time to make a game, it's not cost efficient and it's not time efficient. Why is the XB not flexible? Could you not just of accepted that the XB was more powerful and left it at that?
 
Cobra you really are a fool. At first I thought it was cause you were probably 10 years old, but then I realised, I was being unfair to 10 year olds.
 
To tell you the truth, this was a wonderful debate.
BTW, ExigeExcel, I thought that car in your icon was real. Is that car on a the Italian track in gt4?
 
Originally posted by T5-R
Cobra you really are a fool. At first I thought it was cause you were probably 10 years old, but then I realised, I was being unfair to 10 year olds.
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Shut the hell up and enjoy this pic
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