Human AI in gt4??

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The human AI engine that's been talked about by the game's developers doesn't appear to be in Prologue Edition either. For example, the audiences that are supposed to react to the passing cars look like they consist of flat polygons that only move in a single pattern.


Hmm, I remember hearing about that at E3. I wonder if the crowds will still be 2D.
 
The only thing is, thoes words arn't from Sony or PD or any associated company, they say the Human AI doesn't appear to be in GT4P, meaning that they don't know. The crowds in GT4 WILL be 2d, the PS2 couldn't handle the game if they were 3d, the pit crew is yet to be seen but will be in, PD are probably trying to get a 3d crew which would explain why they havn't been seen yet, since the game is taking up nealey all the PS2's power as it is, anything else PD add needs to be done with extra care.

The graphics engine in GT4P is the finished article, that doesn't mean PD can't add more effects like backfiring and add the pit crew etc, it does mean that the cars and tracks ect wont get anymore detailed textures and that the game won't run at a higher resolution than it is in GT4P. The movment of the crowds can be altered quite easily but tbh when I play GT4P they seem ok to me. I don't really care if they all move the same way every lap, especially when I'm going past flat out in a Impreza rally car.

Expect GT4 to be the definitive driving game ever when it comes out, not the 1st prize for graphics ever. They will be / are the best on PS2, they are better than GT3's, but only marginally.
 
Pretty sure whats been seen in GT4 : P will be same in finished game in regards to crowds etc... they're certainly more life like than in GT3.

Main difference in final GT4 should be the pit crew, but personally I'd put exhaust pops & reverse lights before them.

Hmm thats reminded me of a cool feature in Auto Modelista, vibrating exhaust pipes! :D that'd be great hehe (Not forgetting exhaust fumes too)

gah so many minor things missing in GT games.
 
Originally posted by live4speed
The only thing is, thoes words arn't from Sony or PD or any associated company, they say the Human AI doesn't appear to be in GT4P, meaning that they don't know. The crowds in GT4 WILL be 2d, the PS2 couldn't handle the game if they were 3d, the pit crew is yet to be seen but will be in, PD are probably trying to get a 3d crew which would explain why they havn't been seen yet, since the game is taking up nealey all the PS2's power as it is, anything else PD add needs to be done with extra care.

The graphics engine in GT4P is the finished article, that doesn't mean PD can't add more effects like backfiring and add the pit crew etc, it does mean that the cars and tracks ect wont get anymore detailed textures and that the game won't run at a higher resolution than it is in GT4P. The movment of the crowds can be altered quite easily but tbh when I play GT4P they seem ok to me. I don't really care if they all move the same way every lap, especially when I'm going past flat out in a Impreza rally car.

Expect GT4 to be the definitive driving game ever when it comes out, not the 1st prize for graphics ever. They will be / are the best on PS2, they are better than GT3's, but only marginally.
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In my book, gt4 wins first place in looks. Anyway, I have also read something about human physics in gt4 that will be similar to the car physics. I read that on a jpn site. Things might change in the final version. That site also reported that PD said they were yet to max the ps2, that was said during the TGS convention.
 
I don't want to get in a flame war but I have to I will but how the hell you(live) know PD hasn't said anything about human AI, I have heard about that and a human physics system that will be similar to the car physics. We'll see when the final version comes out and PD could just use low poly crowds.
 
How could you really judge what the power of the PS2 really is ?

I mean You can clearly see the differences between each system but almost every game uses a different engine to create it. And overtime it gets more optimized to run better with less power.

The "emotion" engine they are using probably could handle a different level (higher or lower then PS2). It all depends on how is optimizeses and creates the data and renders to run on the PS2.
 
Your not gonna get much better than GT:P on a PS2, pretty sure GT creator said that too in an interview so cut all the 'PS2 just needs more optimisation then it can power real to life gfx :rolleyes: with full 3D crowds & Grand Canyons :lol: ' GT3 was great optimisation, GTC & GT:P is fantastic optimisation but theres only so much you can do with an out of date (technology wise) PS2.
 
PS2 out dated, I see you know nothing and if you think the xb has advanced tech you're an idiot. The ps2's tech is very complex, the ps2 was way ahead of its time when it came out but I see you and a bunch of other idiots judge a console on its graphics instead of game performance. The ps2 superb in game performance, better than the xb. Seriously you need to read up on the ps2 but I guess a person like your self wouldn't like reading.
 
Originally posted by cobragt
I don't want to get in a flame war but I have to I will but how the hell you(live) know PD hasn't said anything about human AI, I have heard about that and a human physics system that will be similar to the car physics. We'll see when the final version comes out and PD could just use low poly crowds.
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I see a missunderstanding here, I never said PD hav'nt said anything about the AI, what I menat was that comment that it doesn't appear in GT4P wasn't from Sony or PD, it's just a journalist's comment.

I don't want to start arguing here but why isn't the PS2 out of date, it's the oldest console on sale, it has the least memory, the least processing power and it has the poorest graphics card, thats not saying it's a poor machine, but it's coming towards the end of it's life. The PS3 will be here in 2005, so PS2's only got around 1 year left. I'm not an X-Box fan, far from it, theres only 2 maybe 3 good games on the console, but it's that lack of good games that lets it down. The PS2 is so good because of the quality of games that appear on it, not because it's so far ahead of it's time it will still be top of the tree in 2010, because it won't.
 
Ok live, I see you haven't read up on the ps23 and that's cool. But you really should and you'll see that the ps2 no matter when it came out is still up to date and I know 100% you haven't read up on the ps2 if you think it doesn't have powerful processing power. The EE is what makes the ps2 so advanced, the ps2 is a processing monster; 128 bit, nuff said compared to the xb; 32bit.
 
But always remember the PS2, XBOX, GC, are all diffrent consoles, Ive read about the systems and what ive heard was makeing a game for the PS2 is much more complex than the XBOX.. Ive also heard that yea the PS2 has better game (it has been out more) and yes the PS2 is out dated since it is very old, and it is at the end of its life cycle as what I read on IGN.com that the "Cell" will start being produced i belive between Feb - April 2003, GT4 wont be the best looking game around, yes its the best looking racing game on PS2, but not between all three consoles, Its a great, beutiful game, but face it for cobragt to call everyone an idiot only makes him look like an insecure idiot, if PD could make a 3d crowd.. WHY WOULD THEY WASTE THERE TIME TO MAKE 2D ANIMATED CROWDS RATHER THAN 3D..??? I know what your gonna say well its only 2d in GT4:P well it would still be a stupid answer because like I said it would be a waste of time and what ive heard (maybe NOT for sony or PD) but I have heard that GT4:P would be using the final graphics and all.. so I kinda doubt we'll see 3d crowd maybe not until the PS3 where it would have more power to run all those things.. If you turn around and say well they could with the PS2 all I ask is give me a great reason why they havent done it yet and why they would waste there time to make 2d crowd instead of 3d for GT4:P...
 
I totally disagree with everything you said. GT4 in my eyes is the best looking, other racing games just don't look as realistic enough.
 
Why is the ps2 dated idiots?

It was release in 2000... And the X-Box 2001....





Emotion Engine was born 2000 VS The Pentium/Celeron 1991 = PS2

The Graphics Synthesizer was born 1994 VS The N'Vidia 20 G-Force 2000 = X-Box

DRDRAM was born 2000 VS DDRRAM 1997 = PS2

PS2 HDD in 2004 VS X-Box HDD which was born 1999 = PS2


The overall result of which system is more "out of date" = X-Box



-Moral-
Just becuase one system released x times before another system -DOES NOT- justify if that particular system is "out-of-date". What justifies is that if you know how old the components are wich are running inside the system, and from the statistics, X-Box is more out of date than the PS2 is.
 
Originally posted by live4speed
I don't want to start arguing here but why isn't the PS2 out of date, it's the oldest console on sale, it has the least memory, the least processing power and it has the poorest graphics card, thats not saying it's a poor machine, but it's coming towards the end of it's life. The PS3 will be here in 2005, so PS2's only got around 1 year left. I'm not an X-Box fan, far from it, theres only 2 maybe 3 good games on the console, but it's that lack of good games that lets it down. The PS2 is so good because of the quality of games that appear on it, not because it's so far ahead of it's time it will still be top of the tree in 2010, because it won't.
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Well said, it's not the spec of the hardware that sells the PS2, it's the strength of it's software catalogue.

One note about the PS2's CPU though, it is a risc (Reduced instruction chipset) CPU, so it's really not that much down in power. But barring that, it is lacking in comparison to the X-box. I own an X-box but it doesn't get much play, but when you look at the multi format games the X-Box usually looks better.

If they made GT4 on the X-Box, it would probably look better.
*waits for sony fanboys to flame*
Note: Not that I want it on the X-Box.
 
Originally posted by cobragt
PS2 out dated, I see you know nothing and if you think the xb has advanced tech you're an idiot. The ps2's tech is very complex, the ps2 was way ahead of its time when it came out but I see you and a bunch of other idiots judge a console on its graphics instead of game performance. The ps2 superb in game performance, better than the xb. Seriously you need to read up on the ps2 but I guess a person like your self wouldn't like reading.
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Oh oh, my god, I can have a field day laughing at the amount of comedy replies cobras come out with today.

Right, well first of all the PS2 emotion engine was a load of old bollocks and anyone with half an ounce of knowledge about the PS2 should realise that. The PS2 proccessor is a processor, not a magic fantasy proccessor that magically produces characters with REAL emotion & REAL thoughts. Developers have to add AI to PS2 games like any other console.

Also the PS2 is crap in game performance hence many games run faster with better graphics on other consoles, because there more powerful.

And reading up on PS2? What like that unbelievably biased bollocks talking article saying how the PS2 is god & the xbox is a light switch in comparison?

Originally posted by cobragt

Why is the ps2 dated idiots?

It was release in 2000... And the X-Box 2001....

Emotion Engine was born 2000 VS The Pentium/Celeron 1991 = PS2

The Graphics Synthesizer was born 1994 VS The N'Vidia 20 G-Force 2000 = X-Box

DRDRAM was born 2000 VS DDRRAM 1997 = PS2

PS2 HDD in 2004 VS X-Box HDD which was born 1999 = PS2


The overall result of which system is more "out of date" = X-Box



-Moral-
Just becuase one system released x times before another system -DOES NOT- justify if that particular system is "out-of-date". What justifies is that if you know how old the components are wich are running inside the system, and from the statistics, X-Box is more out of date than the PS2 is.
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I think you should read up on PC's cobra you evidently have no clue.

PS2 vs Celeron 1991, lol maybe the first pentiums were developed in 1991 but not a 733mhz celeron as found within the XBox. Needless to say the Xbox's proccessor is more powerful.
(Oh an anyone remember how Sony said the PS2 would be 3X+ as powerful as the fastest PC at the time? (A 700mhz Athlon), so judging by this initial figure the PS2 should be nearly as powerful as my Athlon XP 2600+ (2.08 ghz) where in comparison the PS2 is an 80's calculator ;))

The N'Vidia 20 G-Force 2000, what?? The Xbox has a modified (or dumbed down) Ge-Force 3 chipset which is far more powerful than whats in the PS2. Hence the Anti-Aliasing found within XBox games & why theres alot less 'jaggies' as on the PS2.

DRDRAM was born 2000 VS DDRRAM 1997 = PS2, not too sure about this, but still even if the PS2's RAM is faster, theres only a pathetic 32MB's compared to 64MB's in the Xbox. And the Xbox has a HDD as standard.

PS2 HDD in 2004 VS X-Box HDD which was born 1999, lol I'm pretty sure like the Xbox HDD, the PS2's is certainly little different to those found in desktop PC's, albeit slower. Also you have to pay for the PS2 HDD :rolleyes:

Originally posted by cobragt
Ok live, I see you haven't read up on the ps23 and that's cool.
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Think you need to read about the PS2 (Real facts cobra & real performance), the Xbox & the PC :p

For Real :D

*Disclaimer for PS2 fanboys*
I'm not biased towards any console, although in fact if I were I'd be biased towards the PS2, since most of my fave games are on PS2. Infact I own a PS2, an Xbox & a PC, and the PS2 is clearly the slower out of the 3, niether the XBox or PS2 touches the PC (Just ashame PC developers are so lazy & console developers don't have to contend with millions of different hardware/software combos).





Oh and cobra its people like you that give PS2's a bad name, with your gullible sucking up to Sony & believing the hype. (Haha when you first saw GT:P, oh no it doesn't look real :lol: )
 
GT4P does look realistic as hell. I finally got to play it a couple a days ago and it looks amazing and to say it's not the best looking racer is crazy imo

I raced the Mclaren FINA on the Fuji track and thought I was watching ESPN's coverage of the Lemans :lol:
Maybe you should read up on the ps2 and drop the pc hype, the xb has old pc components in it.
 
GT4P does look very realistic & no doubt the best looking game on PS2.

But to say the PS2 is more powerful than a PC or XBox is stupid, all you have to do is open your eyes & you can see the PS2 isn't as powerful.

But then you think GT4 looks real :rolleyes:
 
I said gt4 looked very realistic, not real, more realistic than any game this gen. But I never said the ps2 was more powerful. See your prob is you're stupid and can't see past graphics to see how a game's performance is. Name one xb game that has amazing performance, you make me think you're a xboy for real on the real deal :lol:
Anyway the ps2 can't compare to the pc in graphics but the xb isn't all that better. Both consoles have their weak points and if devs can understand how the ps2 really works then the ps2 could out do the xb. It already out does the xb in game performance. Don't believe the hype of the xb and don't be a fool, do some research and open your mind of you can.
 
Play Soul Calibur 2 for the X-Box and PS2, then tell me which one you think has the better graphics.

If you say PS2, i'll have to declare you an idiot.
 
Have any of you all opened up an x-box? Compared to a PS2, it's pathetic. Honestly. To say that a console made out of out-of-date computer parts maybe by microsoft because bill gates it so stingy to make some goods ones is better than a PS2, your feikin crazy.

I haven't played GT4: P, but i ave seen enough to tell that it is three times better then Gothom 2. Period. End of the chat on consoles. Get used to it X-box punks.

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Can I declare you an idiot too?

Shall I give you some more games that look better on the X-Box than on the PS2.

Toca Racedriver, NFSU, Timesplitters 2 and i'm pretty sure that GTA3 and VC will look better on the X-Box.

You also seem to have not bothered to read my earlier post. So i'll re-quote it.

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Well said, it's not the spec of the hardware that sells the PS2, it's the strength of it's software catalogue.

One note about the PS2's CPU though, it is a risc (Reduced instruction chipset) CPU, so it's really not that much down in power. But barring that, it is lacking in comparison to the X-box. I own an X-box but it doesn't get much play, but when you look at the multi format games the X-Box usually looks better.

If they made GT4 on the X-Box, it would probably look better.
*waits for sony fanboys to flame*
Note: Not that I want it on the X-Box.
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I have GT4P, but i'm not stupid enough to say OMG!!!!!111 XBOX SUxx00R!111 PS2 4 evah!!!!!1111
 
Originally posted by Race Idiot
Play Soul Calibur 2 for the X-Box and PS2, then tell me which one you think has the better graphics.

If you say PS2, i'll have to declare you an idiot.
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Again, another misinformed person. That's all idiots do, judge a console on game graphics. GBraphics aren't everything you know? Try putting Jak2 on the xb. Jak2 might just be the most amazing game in game performance. Over a million things on screen without slowdown, and runs 60fps, that xb's wannabe pc components would have a heart attack trying to process that game. The ps2 is best in processing power, like animations, particle effects, etc. Look at ZOE2, the partical effects are unmatched to this day. SC2 does look better on the xb because you have seen SC2 on the xb running on a HDTV, go to best buy and look at SC2 for the ps2 on a LCD screen and you'll shut your face. I remember going to best and they had all 3 SC2 versions on display; xb version on a HDTV, GC version, on a HDTV, and the ps2 version on a 21" LCD screen. I could barely tell the difference, believe that.
 
Who makes GTA? Rock Star, do you really think they(ppl who know nothing about the ps2's tech) know how to work the ps2's power? What about mgs2 in the xb, slow downs, frame rate whent down to 27, what about that huh? Killzone on the ps2 kills halo2 in graphics.
 
Again, another misinformed person. That's all idiots do, judge a console on game graphics. GBraphics aren't everything you know?
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Are you stupid, or do you just not read my posts?

Originally posted by Race Idiot
It's not the spec of the hardware that sells the PS2, it's the strength of it's software catalogue.
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I guy in the UK who played killzone said it's the best looking game for any console and it's in early stage. The dev of killzone have been working with the ps2 for like 4 years, yes 4 years. Not 3 months like other devs. You have to learn the ps2 to get what you want. Everything needed for a games's graphics is on the xb;s GPU, no need for hard coding, the xb is easy as hell to program on; the ps2 isn't.
 
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