Hypothetical Question: "One Impreza, Miata,etc is faster than the others" How is that happen?

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Even if a car has the same weight as a different car, that stat doesn't say anything about where this weight is. Even if the front/rear distribution is the same, we don't know exactly how high or low the center of gravity is. For example, the Tesla Model S has a 700 kg battery in the floor of the car, making its center of gravity very low.

The aerodynamic drag might also be different, even if the cars look very similar to the naked eye. Our eyes aren't laser scanners.

Also, to accurately determine this, you need to do hundreds of laps in each car by someone who never feels fatigue and knows both the track and the cars extremely well.
 
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The aerodynamic drag might also be different, even if the cars look very similar to the naked eye. Our eyes aren't laser scanners.
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Speak for yourself:lol:

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I've been watching a lot of Mythbusters of late. We need Jaime and Adam (or maybe Kari, Grant and Torry) to prove/disprove the fable. "The Toyota GT86 is a slowpoke and isn't as fast as the Subaru BRZ or Scion FRS"

But they would need to shot it with various calibre recoilless rifles or ballast it with 100kilos of tinned cookie dough in the passenger seat and run it at Le Mans in the summer sun. (Nervously looks at the potential detonation as the car labours up to 140mph on the Mulsanne!)

So Busted/Plausible or Confirmed?

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Are here any GT-R's that stand out from the crowd?
In an odd way I like the slowest car in a matched set of cars, you have to drive much harder to keep up. If you lose, then you have a cast iron excuse (Like Ferrari had last season)
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The Mythbusters would probably look at the data logger ;)

I tested to change the suspension of my GT86 and FR-S. Before I changed the suspension, the ride height reacted differently between the cars when it came to cornering, and I had bigger steering inputs for the Toyota than the Scion. After the suspension change the graphs were equal between the cars.

I'd say that there is some suspension setting that is not visible when you view the stock suspension, and that it's a setting that's there to make the Toyota handle differently from the others (like it should, according to the car info). A possible difference could be the anti-roll bar, since the ride height differences were mainly seen during cornering.
 
Driver preference, sometimes when people don't like a car. They drive it bad on purpose to prove to themselves that it sucks. Lol. Its usually subconscious and you dont notice it. Its like "meh I dont really want to drive this." And your times go down. I noticed myself doing this woth the Shelby GT500, my dad always talks about how fast and how awesome Shelby Mustangs are. But my interest is towards the BMW 2 3 and 4. series.

Basically, you try harder if you like the car lol.
 
I did a comparison of NSX Type R '92, NSX Type S '97, NSX Type S Zero '97 and NSX Type S '02.

The results were quite unbelievable. Just like in the real world, I watched tested all these cars and really, the Type R was fastest (duh... obviously), but quite jumpy, then Zero with "Type R feeling", then the new Type S which was really really easy to drive, I just love that car it's the best NSX IMO and then the original Type S.

It was in Best Motoring (or Hot Version) I believe it was the very first episode.
 
I tested a bunch of NSX's myself at Laguna Seca on CH tires.

1:44.811 - 468 - Honda NSX Type R '02
1:46.241 - 454 - Honda NSX Type S '01
1:46.911 - 463 - Honda NSX Type R '92
1:48.242 - 447 - Acura NSX '04
1:50.985 - 439 - Honda NSX '90
1:51.613 - 433 - Acura NSX '91

The Type S Zero '97 and '99 would fall somewhere between the Type R '92 and Type R '02 probably in the 1:45 range.
 
Sorry to come in late in this topic.

On the 86 / BRZ / FR-S trio, I defenitely felt a difference, and had some friends to do some comparisons to be sure it wasn't just me, and they all felt a bit more understeer on the Toyota.

Strange things about this : the stock setup, be it suspension, gearbox or anything else are identical between those cars, although it is known that in real life, at least the BRZ has different suspension settings. The BRZ is also said to be set up in a more neutral way than the GT86, so having more understeer on the last one in GT6 seems surprising - but I haven't compared those two in real life (though we're planning to go test drive one of each with a friend at the same time :P )

Clearly, there's some kind of parameter in the game influencing the handling which doesn't shows up in the stats or setting sheets. And I would be quite skeptical to believe the front bumper differences, or the Toyota's fake fender vents VS Subaru's real ones have an effect on how well the front sticks in GT6.

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The Mythbusters would probably look at the data logger ;)

I tested to change the suspension of my GT86 and FR-S. Before I changed the suspension, the ride height reacted differently between the cars when it came to cornering, and I had bigger steering inputs for the Toyota than the Scion. After the suspension change the graphs were equal between the cars.

I'd say that there is some suspension setting that is not visible when you view the stock suspension, and that it's a setting that's there to make the Toyota handle differently from the others (like it should, according to the car info). A possible difference could be the anti-roll bar, since the ride height differences were mainly seen during cornering.
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Now that's a good idea and a nice experiment. By reading you, I'm thinking it could be the alignement which could not match the values shown when stock suspension is equipped (0.60 of rear toe out is a huge nonsense, and some cars have a bit of positive camber from factory).




On other "duplicates" : there are very, very few which are really identical. It usually comes down to details, but you can expect some differences from that.
 

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