i don't recommend sims...

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i see many people recommending sim tires as a good suggestion for drifting...don't get me wrong...it is.... however, they are being recommended to beginners/nooB's.

i admit that when i was 1st drifting i used SIMS and it really gave me a hard time... i didnt learn much from sims, all it did was make me fustrated...

sims doesnt teach a driver how to break traction because it is so easy to break traction with them. but with grippier tires (anything but sims) you can learn about the limit of traction faster...

to a new driver on SIMS....he is most likely wondering "why do i keep spinning out?" the reason they spin is because they don't know how to apply the use of the settings to their driving style.
with the use of sim tires, the settings of a car are LESS EFFECTIVE, whereas, a car with "better" tires is more in sync with the settings.

that's why when you read about Simulation Tires b4 you buy it, it says that it's recommended for PROFESSIONAL USE and should be for the use of EXPERIENCED DRIVERS ONLY

i,now, can skillfully use sims for drift or racing, only because of my experience and understanding of laws of traction.

what i'm tryen to state here is... not everyone can just drift 1st try(unless you're a natural phenom), and if you want to be a great drifter i recommend learning how to drive skillfully first (e.g. getting gold in license test, fast lap times, etc.).

of course, all that is stated has to deal with GT3 ::D
 
Also do not put sims on high power car... like cars over 500hp i dont recommend using sims... under 500 sims are the best i think... and as for noobs learning how to drift with sims... thats how i learn... but we are all different me i love sims...

ROll
 
i think that and this is only my opion. under 300 hp i use sims, for cars with 300 to 600 hp i use sport tire and anything above 600 hp i would use racing slicks
 
The recommended use of the tires is for the arcade folks who are used to highly unrealistic physics and have no concept of real life driving.

The reason you don't like sims is because you suck. Or did anyway. Drifting isn't easy in real life, so why would it be different in a simulation? The only way to get better is by LOTS of practice. You can't expect to be a pro your first month playing. I've been playing GT3 for about 3 years now and I just now consider myself a pro. I think your problem is you're impacient and you expected this to come too easy.
N00bs are spinning out because they're trying to get sideways at 60mph with no skill. Not becuase of the tires.
As for the settings thing, I can understand what you mean, but that's not true. With stickier tires you can corner at higher speeds At higher speeds, more forces are being applied to the car. So when taking those turns the effects are exaggerated. It's common sense. You can't expect a drift to be exactly the same at 100mph as it is at 20mph.
I prefer sims tires because of the realism. Using a stickier tire just doesn't feel right anymore and makes it less enjoyable. Now I use low power cars with near stock settings to drift.
I recently did a car review with ehaust_note and we tested each car with TCS and ASM off, completely stock, and with sims. Each car was drifted for one lap around Grand Valley and SS11 II. You can DEFINATELY feel the differences between the cars handling characteristics. Sim tires absolutely DO NOT take away from the feel of each individual car.

I suggest you try out some stock cars yourself. It definately gives you a new perspective on each car and how to tune it. I'm definately a much better drifter after spending time with each car back to back. Just give it a shot and see how you feel then.
 
The recommended use of the tires is for the arcade folks who are used to highly unrealistic physics and have no concept of real life driving.

The reason you don't like sims is because you suck. Or did anyway. Drifting isn't easy in real life, so why would it be different in a simulation? The only way to get better is by LOTS of practice. You can't expect to be a pro your first month playing. I've been playing GT3 for about 3 years now and I just now consider myself a pro. I think your problem is you're impacient and you expected this to come too easy.
N00bs are spinning out because they're trying to get sideways at 60mph with no skill. Not becuase of the tires.
As for the settings thing, I can understand what you mean, but that's not true. With stickier tires you can corner at higher speeds At higher speeds, more forces are being applied to the car. So when taking those turns the effects are exaggerated. It's common sense. You can't expect a drift to be exactly the same at 100mph as it is at 20mph.
I prefer sims tires because of the realism. Using a stickier tire just doesn't feel right anymore and makes it less enjoyable. Now I use low power cars with near stock settings to drift.
I recently did a car review with ehaust_note and we tested each car with TCS and ASM off, completely stock, and with sims. Each car was drifted for one lap around Grand Valley and SS11 II. You can DEFINATELY feel the differences between the cars handling characteristics. Sim tires absolutely DO NOT take away from the feel of each individual car.

I suggest you try out some stock cars yourself. It definately gives you a new perspective on each car and how to tune it. I'm definately a much better drifter after spending time with each car back to back. Just give it a shot and see how you feel then.
 
great explanation b.stage ... btw SIM tire if u master & know how to control your cars its not posibble to drift with huge horssepower... for example NAMZYCAD3 ... he drift all LM cars the hp 900+ with SIMS ... so actually u can drift with it nothing imposible ....:cool:
 
In real life, drifting is not as easy as buying grippier tires to learn how to drift. Some people don't have the money to drift with expensive tires to learn how, so they buy the most inexpensive one and drift in the rain to save wear and tear. If you want to really learn to do anything, there needs to be patience and with patience comes greatness. It doesn't matter what kind of tires you use but the time it takes to learn how to drift with them can be used to drift with a different kind of tire. So tires really don't matter, but what matters is how much you are spending just to make the car drift as fast as other people's rides. That's what some users here mix that with what kind of tires.

Keyword: patience.

With patience comes greatness.
 
Sims are the closet the game gets to simulating what a real car drives like but i guess noob 12year olds dont get to drive real cars therefore they wouldnt know what a real car feels like when drifting so that is why i think they seem to have a problem with sim tyres because so far they've been bought up on stupid arcade games that are totally unrealistic that have the feel of having a rope tied to the back bumper of the car. Yes i know how that feels because thats how i smoke the tyres on my gutless Evo 1 tie a rope through the towing eye on on the back of the chassie tie the other end around an umoveable object apply generous amounts of lube to tyres ie diesel,dishwashing liquid(only use dishwashing liquid that is evironmentally freindly plz) take up the slack in the rope rev and hold rapidly release clutch..........Oh S**t is that just what it feels like to drive a car in gran turismo not using sims or what !!! well i know so.
 
I use alot of different tire combinations, mostly sims, but I do have some cars in the 500-600 range with sports or normal tires. I do agree with Battle Stage about trying out all the FR's stock with sims. I did, and my drifts are much improved, as I now understand each cars base level handling characteristics.:cheers:
 
None of my cars have Sims, so I disprove the common misconception. Find your own drifting style and screw the rest, it only matters to who drives. Good luck on your journey to find your settings.
 
Originally posted by JiF
Sims are the closet the game gets to simulating what a real car drives like but i guess noob 12year olds dont get to drive real cars therefore they wouldnt know what a real car feels like when drifting so that is why i think they seem to have a problem with sim tyres because so far they've been bought up on stupid arcade games that are totally unrealistic that have the feel of having a rope tied to the back bumper of the car. Yes i know how that feels because thats how i smoke the tyres on my gutless Evo 1 tie a rope through the towing eye on on the back of the chassie tie the other end around an umoveable object apply generous amounts of lube to tyres ie diesel,dishwashing liquid(only use dishwashing liquid that is evironmentally freindly plz) take up the slack in the rope rev and hold rapidly release clutch..........Oh S**t is that just what it feels like to drive a car in gran turismo not using sims or what !!! well i know so.
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Don't go to school anymore - a waste of your parents' money.
 
When I begun to drift I never did it searching the real thing. I just wanted to go sideways with a poweful car, and I really enjoyed (and now also) it. Then I read here about people who wanted a real drifting.
Now I can say I'm pretty good with sims but I enjoy further more with slicks.
And I think the best way to help a noob, is explaining how is each tyre and let him/her choose.
 
i think its just a matter of opinion..
some people find drifting sims are hard.. some dont
like me for example..
i found that drifting with sims is 10x easier than drifting with supersoft slicks for cars with power between 300-500hp
but dont quote me on these.. i play GT3 in my offseason.. i like challenge and i autocross and drift a real car on drift events :)
 
None of my cars have Sims, so I disprove the common misconception. Find your own drifting style and screw the rest, it only matters to who drives. Good luck on your journey to find your settings.
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What common misconception?
 
I can't say sims are bad...sims are very unrealistic...and crappy...and are DEFINATLEY not for right out of the box beginers....I tried cudamans setup when I first got into it...and It sucked so bad...well not the setup, but the lack of enjoyment I was having made me go away from drifting for a good 3 months, because I started using AWD cars and sport tires with 450HP........Then I worked to sims......Starting with sims is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
TARDED
 
Originally posted by battle_stage
The recommended use of the tires is for the arcade folks who are used to highly unrealistic physics and have no concept of real life driving.

The reason you don't like sims is because you suck. Or did anyway. Drifting isn't easy in real life, so why would it be different in a simulation? The only way to get better is by LOTS of practice. You can't expect to be a pro your first month playing. I've been playing GT3 for about 3 years now and I just now consider myself a pro. I think your problem is you're impacient and you expected this to come too easy.
N00bs are spinning out because they're trying to get sideways at 60mph with no skill. Not becuase of the tires.
As for the settings thing, I can understand what you mean, but that's not true. With stickier tires you can corner at higher speeds At higher speeds, more forces are being applied to the car. So when taking those turns the effects are exaggerated. It's common sense. You can't expect a drift to be exactly the same at 100mph as it is at 20mph.
I prefer sims tires because of the realism. Using a stickier tire just doesn't feel right anymore and makes it less enjoyable. Now I use low power cars with near stock settings to drift.
I recently did a car review with ehaust_note and we tested each car with TCS and ASM off, completely stock, and with sims. Each car was drifted for one lap around Grand Valley and SS11 II. You can DEFINATELY feel the differences between the cars handling characteristics. Sim tires absolutely DO NOT take away from the feel of each individual car.

I suggest you try out some stock cars yourself. It definately gives you a new perspective on each car and how to tune it. I'm definately a much better drifter after spending time with each car back to back. Just give it a shot and see how you feel then.
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Battle Stage brings up a very good point you cant expect to just pick this game up and begin drifting like a pro. Take me for example, I've been drifting in real life for almost two years and I consider myself pretty good. But I recently setup the same car I own (R32 GTS-t) just with more horsepower and sims . . . BAM I'm spinning like a top. However, I put the car with the EXACT same specs as mine and sims and woah-lee, I'm driftin mah! It's all about the setup and skill of the driver. I means sure, it's a whole, and I mean whole, heck of a lot easier to drift with slicks or sport tires, but that's because they have such ungodly amounts of traction that it's almost impossible for a stock R32 to break them (I tried). Sims are the way to go when it comes to near stock or stock setups. And as far as high horse power goes. I recently took an s-15 and an s-14 around the track, both with about 500 or so horses, and let me tell you, if you think that the game spins you out easily, try driftin one of those.

In essence what I'm saying is that you just have to practice, practice, practice and just when you think you've mastered it, practice some more, until someone else says that you've mastered it. Then it's still probably smart to practice some more.
 
yes yes sims are not the tires to begin GT3 drifting. yes yes it has bad traction. yes yes it is crappy for racing. IMO sims it just for the people who *know* how to control the gas and counter-steer. With other tires - Normal, Sport tires, Medium...etc it is just like gas turn counter-steer. after you are confident with those tires you can move on to a more slippery tires. sims can be very annoying, but it will give you the edge on your drifts. if you want the smoke in your drift use sims. if you want the long drift use sims. Sims is for show. IMO any other tire is for drift racing. I myself did not start with any other tire than sims. once i saw "Gran Dorifto" it was sims all the way. haha SIMS FOR LIFE (only for GT3 =p)
 
To get the best performance of the sim tires, only use it on cars that are of or close to real specs', besides like an 800HP supra drag car which would use soft tires in the rear for traction and maybe mediums up front, so dont be say you dont recommend sims, because it all depends on how the cars set up and what you fell is the best for your style...
 
i can say that Iv'e been using sims for te past 2 months and i tryed going to softer compound tires the other day and its very hard... people think that they can just get a car and be good at drifting, but i'd say it takes about 3 to 5 hours to learn a car completly... If i practiced all week with different tires, i would eventually get the hang of it.. I like to use sims because its alot cheaper and easier to set up my car.
 
a 600 hp RX-7 FD with Mediums feels just like sims, but without the crazie amounts of throttle control lol =P
I usually take taht car out for a spin when i wanna drift cuz I'm usually too lazy to tap the X button so many times. With that RX-7, I can just floor it all the way rofl. It makes it so ur drift depends on your steering skills =P.
I do take out some of my cars with sims occasionally =P
 
Originally posted by battle_stage
What common misconception?
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That sims are needed to drift. That was what I was told, but only after I started drifting, so I already had my own drifting style. It's all good tho, you can use sims, but I don't.
 
Sims work great on my Nissan Silvia. I think they work good for drifting, but work best with failrly low powered cars (under 300Hp)They loose traction very easy so you dont need monster Hp
 

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