I hate GTR haters

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Some call it a noob car but I say it is a beautiful car. In real life a GTR can cost you about 100,000 in the US at most dealers. It is a car, though not as praised in most rooms, is a genuine beast. A un-tuned GTR cannot compete with any fully tuned GTR in drag rooms thus making this car full of potential. Like any other street car, RX-7, Evo, STI, Supra, the GTR can gain almost 500 more horsepower from just adding stage 3 engine and turbo upgrades. This again is similar to other less expensive street cars. What is strange is that a Skyline R34 can pull up to a drag and not be talked about like you have the hand of god on 4 wheels, yet it is still only short of 150 horses under the hood. Not that big of a difference based on the difference in weight. They both are badged with the GTR logo yet the 2009-2012 GTR's get treated like Red Bull Protos. I find this all ridiculous and people need to respect that some people admire Nissans racing heritage and there ability to pull out a ton of power from a V6. Just let people drive what they want and if you dont wanna race it dont race it, just back up. If someone doesnt wanna race your GTR then its ok, it goes down like that in real life. They are just machines and they dont always do what you want them to do when you want them to do it. On top of that, its just a game. Eat,Sleep,&Play
 
I like the R32.

Also, if I am running a hardcore endurance race, I don't want a 4WD, because a 4WD is just too much more efficient than a RWD car in a hardcore endurance race.
Also, LeMans only runs RWD, so I like to keep it to that.


I never found the GTR very useful.
 
Not here to rant, though I personally loathe it on every conceivable level, but just one thing which I feel needs correcting.

Cpizzythegod
What is strange is that a Skyline R34 can pull up to a drag and not be talked about like you have the hand of god on 4 wheels, yet it is still only short of 150 horses under the hood. Not that big of a difference based on the difference in weight.
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Only? Only? Really? 150hp is the difference between 500hp and 650hp, that's the difference between an M5's power and a Enzo's. And don't forget, to make it even less fair for the R34 in question, the R35 is almost renown for its almost unbelievable off the line pace.

Not that big a difference? On paper, just about excusable. In practice, factoring everything in, hardly.
 
I don't hate the GT-R.

What I hate is the people who *think* they know everything about cars (ala the NFS fan base or the F&F fan base), but in reality everything they know nothing. These people just pick a GT-R because "it looks cool" and "it goes fast". I don't have anything against the car, I just have a thing against the average driver (not all GT-R drivers are like that, I know.) and it's not just GT-Rs. It's Murciélagos, Gallardos, Ferraris, Supras, etc. They just act like they know everything about the vehicle but are total douches with it.

I do agree that the GT-R is a beautiful and great work of Japanese engineering.
 
The GT-R hater club hates you too.

Back in GT4 I hated the R34. It was too much tech, not enough fun, and too easy to be fast with around track.

Now, the R34 is still all of those things, but not to the same extent in comparison with what has come since. It also manages to look pretty damn good.

The R35 is the "new" R34. Instead of being easy to drive, you can intentionally TRY to drive poorly and still put down quick laps. What little fun could be had with the R34 is no longer present in the R35; try to have some fun and you'll get yelled at by about 50 different computers and thrown where you don't actually want to go because it thinks you do.

It's an amazing technical achievement, but it is not a good driver's car. It is the perfect supercar for those who view cars as merely tools, for that is all it is.

As for drag rooms... Well...

You spend 5 minutes tuning one with a bit of knowledge backing you up and you're within "treeing distance" of the absolute best. Not a lot of point to actually race them for any distance less than a mile, because the race will always be won or lost on the tree.

Edit: @Onboy: I laughed at that a bit myself. The GT-R wouldn't be fast at the drag strip if it wasn't endowed with insane levels of launch grip. If it only had the tires of an R34 and only had the power of an R34, it would be slower than the R34 because it's a big fat pig.
 
I like the 25GT-T more than the GT-R.
I love FR.
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Onboy123
Not here to rant, though I personally loathe it on every conceivable level, but just one thing which I feel needs correcting.

Only? Only? Really? 150hp is the difference between 500hp and 650hp, that's the difference between an M5's power and a Enzo's. And don't forget, to make it even less fair for the R34 in question, the R35 is almost renown for its almost unbelievable off the line pace.

Not that big a difference? On paper, just about excusable. In practice, factoring everything in, hardly.
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It isnt a big difference in Gran Turismo especially in circuit. 797hp vs 954hp. What matters is if your gears lay dialed into your powerband. The R34 lies right underneath the GTR in terms of speed. The R34 is lighter than the GTR thus making an R34 just as fast as the GTR. In real life weight matters, in the game weight matters. An R34 is no different than a GTR, one is just 10 years older.
 
Rotary Junkie
The GT-R hater club hates you too.

Back in GT4 I hated the R34. It was too much tech, not enough fun, and too easy to be fast with around track.

Now, the R34 is still all of those things, but not to the same extent in comparison with what has come since. It also manages to look pretty damn good.

The R35 is the "new" R34. Instead of being easy to drive, you can intentionally TRY to drive poorly and still put down quick laps. What little fun could be had with the R34 is no longer present in the R35; try to have some fun and you'll get yelled at by about 50 different computers and thrown where you don't actually want to go because it thinks you do.

It's an amazing technical achievement, but it is not a good driver's car. It is the perfect supercar for those who view cars as merely tools, for that is all it is.

As for drag rooms... Well...

You spend 5 minutes tuning one with a bit of knowledge backing you up and you're within "treeing distance" of the absolute best. Not a lot of point to actually race them for any distance less than a mile, because the race will always be won or lost on the tree.

Edit: @Onboy: I laughed at that a bit myself. The GT-R wouldn't be fast at the drag strip if it wasn't endowed with insane levels of launch grip. If it only had the tires of an R34 and only had the power of an R34, it would be slower than the R34 because it's a big fat pig.
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I can tell your a little lost because you called a 2009-2012 GTR a R35. Not true

Whats funny about you tuners is that you fail to realize the amount of cosmetics involved in in the games tuning options. The intricacy involved with tuning a car is not at all present in GT5. People tune because they want to feel like they accomplished something, so when they take it out on the track and drag, they can brag about how they have the fastest tunes and how they dont wanna share those tunes. A bunch of gamer idiots who just want to feel superior. In reality 5 minutes is all you need to tune any car on the game, its not hard. The interface is like leap frog. Half of the tuning options just dont do anything, what matters is driving options. Also the ghost/tree crap is ok but it still hasnt proven to be as effective as a green light implemented system in the game. PD doesn't have drag mode because there cars are not set up for drags. The physics of the cars are not built for that. Example: In reality a maxed out Supra can definitely smash out on a maxed out R34 I have seen it done many times. In the game its just not possible. The fact is, there are many tuning options not available in the game like boost pressure, engine swaps, twin turbos vs single turbos, axels, etc. What do we really get in a stage 3 engine package. They don't say. So I say again dont hate on a GTR unless you plan on hating on every car that paved the way for it. A R32 should be able to beat new school. Its the lightest one with the same engine. It is the original godzilla and again I have seen a R32 smoke a GTR. The GTR is not a skyline nor godzilla, the tail lights symbolize the inspiration behind the car. So what Im trying to say is that dont take the game so seriously because even a R33 can smash out on a Veyron in the real world.
 
Cpizzythegod
I can tell your a little lost because you called a 2009-2012 GTR a R35. Not true
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What the hell you're saying ? They are all R35. Like the 1989 to 1993 Skyline GT-R were R32.

They actually said that the R36 should go out in 2013.

So I dont know what the hell you're talking about.
 
Hate is a strong word, i don't hate it.....more dislike.
I find the GT-R boring, as i do all AWD cars.
If i had the choice between racing a GT-R or a Nardo in the game it would be the VW every single time. If i had the choice between the GT-R and the Mclaren F1 it would be the Mclaren.
AWD cars are too stable, too grippy. I guess what i am saying is they are too good, i can't have fun with them. However when i drive a RWD car and get a good lap or i win a race, i feel like i have accomplished something. As i have actually had to work for it, fighting the back end under acceleration and braking and so on. The GT-R is just too easy.
Because of this i just don't use them.
 
Then hate me OP. LOL I can't stand GT-R's. Overrated in my opinion.
 
As a test driver for Nissan, I know the GT-R inside and out. One can't truly appreciate what goes into it until they drive the real-life counterpart. For example, the Ferrari F10. I could drive it and get an idea of what it would be like to actually drive it. However, I would be unable to appreciate the work that goes into building a top level F1 car unless I drove the real thing.
 
I think they are talking in game here, because comparing a Mclaren F1 with a GT-R is just too much. If you see the price difference, it's like comparing a daihatsu coppen with a Honda S2000.

In real life, there's not much car with a better price/performance value, maybe a lotus yeah but other than that I dont really see it.

Also Awd in real life make it awesome because if it rain, try to drive a M3 or a GT3 RS in the rain, it's not easy at all. Actually I have a friend who owns a M3 and his wife already spun out 3 times in it on the speedway so yeah. Things like that dont happen in the GT-R and when you go on track, your car will still be very fast. How fast you can go in real life dont depends on the car tho, but rather on the skill of the driver at least for 99% of the forum reader.
 
Cpizzythegod
It isnt a big difference in Gran Turismo especially in circuit. 797hp vs 954hp. What matters is if your gears lay dialed into your powerband. The R34 lies right underneath the GTR in terms of speed. The R34 is lighter than the GTR thus making an R34 just as fast as the GTR. In real life weight matters, in the game weight matters. An R34 is no different than a GTR, one is just 10 years older.
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O rly? Ok then, can you explain to me then, how I can get a R35 around a track at least a full second ahead of a R34 without even trying? And if having a lower power output is really to be a proper advantage, you'd need to weigh much less, like what a Lotus Elise is to a NSX, not being only average in terms of weight.

An R34 just as fast as a R35 in GT5 at an equal level of tuning? When pigs fly. :rolleyes:
 
RX-7- I wasn't talking about real life, i was stating my preferences in the game, and why i don't like the car. Perhaps a better example i should have chosen is the SLS AMG, or the 458 Italia.

There is no disputing the fact the car is great value for money, you get the reliability of nissan, AWD in tricky conditions, and ultimately speed that is manageable on the roads.
 
Pagey279
RX-7- I wasn't talking about real life, i was stating my preferences in the game, and why i don't like the car. Perhaps a better example i should have chosen is the SLS AMG, or the 458 Italia.

There is no disputing the fact the car is great value for money, you get the reliability of nissan, AWD in tricky conditions, and ultimately speed that is manageable on the roads.
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Yeah I realize that ^^ I just tried to explain it to the nissan test driver who compares Real life. In game I prefer to drive FR or MR too, but in real life, I would go for a GT-R if I wanted a performance car for daily use.
 
@RX-7_FD3S I'm guessing Cpizzythegod was trying to point out that the R35 started production in 2007 not 2009 as you were stating.

I really do love the Skyline, all the way back from 1957 to 2002. The GTR is slowly growing on to me but is one of my least liked GT(-)R's. On GT5 I'd say I don't enjoy racing with the newer GT(-)R's simply because they do not seem to be modeled correctly. No ATTESA-ETS and no Super HICAS 4-wheel steering (which should be on alot of Nissan's on GT5 (along with other companies 4 wheel steering car's)) seem to be implemented. If it were even more people would complain about it though.

In game I'd also rather drive FR car's which is why I have many FR Skyline's. In real life I'd go for the GT-R but I'd still think about a FR Skyline from time to time. I like the I6 for preference as well.

Edit: Never mind he clearly think's a GTR isn't a R35.
 
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I can tell your a little lost because you called a 2009-2012 GTR a R35. Not true
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ORLY? I think you're the one that's "a little lost". Every "new" GT-R is an R35, including the soon-to-be 2013 U.S. MY car.

Cpizzythegod
Whats funny about you tuners is that you fail to realize the amount of cosmetics involved in in the games tuning options.
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I'm a tuna. That means I'm a fish.

Cpizzythegod
The intricacy involved with tuning a car is not at all present in GT5.
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In what way?

Cpizzythegod
People tune because they want to feel like they accomplished something, so when they take it out on the track and drag, they can brag about how they have the fastest tunes and how they dont wanna share those tunes.
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Erm... I share my circuit tunes because I know the people who would beat me with them will do so even if I don't, and it helps other people along.

I share my drag tuning knowledge too. I won't give out my absolute best tune, but I'll give out what I come up with early into tuning a car... Which will usually be a matter of thousandths of a second slower than what I end with... In other words, someone could take my "bad" tune and beat me with it very easily just due to an extremely slight difference in when we launch.

Cpizzythegod
A bunch of gamer idiots who just want to feel superior. In reality 5 minutes is all you need to tune any car on the game, its not hard.
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O RLY. Beat my R35 drag time since you love the car so much and it's so easy. 8.895 1/4 mile, no aids aside from automatic transmission.

I'd give you my version of a "base" tune for it (which should run an 8.900 or so when driven right) but since it's so easy you don't need that.

Cpizzythegod
The interface is like leap frog. Half of the tuning options just dont do anything, what matters is driving options.
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LOL OKAY. I'd like to race you on track too then.

Cpizzythegod
Also the ghost/tree crap is ok but it still hasnt proven to be as effective as a green light implemented system in the game.
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Yep, that sucks. What does that have to do with R35s?

Cpizzythegod
PD doesn't have drag mode because there cars are not set up for drags. The physics of the cars are not built for that. Example: In reality a maxed out Supra can definitely smash out on a maxed out R34 I have seen it done many times.
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"Smash out"? Bro, I'm from Detroit and I don't hear that come from anyone.

Cpizzythegod
In the game its just not possible. The fact is, there are many tuning options not available in the game like boost pressure, engine swaps, twin turbos vs single turbos, axels, etc. What do we really get in a stage 3 engine package. They don't say.
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They actually do...

Cpizzythegod
So I say again dont hate on a GTR unless you plan on hating on every car that paved the way for it.
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I'll hate on the R35 all I damn well please while still absolutely loving the R32, 33, and to a lesser extent, the R34.

Cpizzythegod
A R32 should be able to beat new school. Its the lightest one with the same engine. It is the original godzilla and again I have seen a R32 smoke a GTR.
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The R32 is certainly no slouch... And tuned to the same power levels it will, generally speaking, outrun an R33 or R34.

Cpizzythegod
The GTR is not a skyline nor godzilla, the tail lights symbolize the inspiration behind the car. So what Im trying to say is that dont take the game so seriously because even a R33 can smash out on a Veyron in the real world.
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What?

Yes, an R33 done up specifically for drag racing can "smash out" on a Veyron on street tires.

Then again, I'm quite sure the R33 is generally the better circuit car than the Veyron in GT5... And what's the main focus of GT5? Oh, right, circuit racing.

Edit: @Nish: From what I saw of the 2009 V-Spec, the AWD system is done properly. 4WS, maybe not, but the stock R35 diffs do seem to act as they should, same for R32-34s. It was more pronounced in previous (GT3/4) games than now, but it's still there.
 
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I don't feel much change in the 4wd system when on and off throttle in corner's, it understeer's into corner's like all the other 4wd's, when in the GTR it should feel like a rwd when not accelerating in a corner. Maybe it is there but I haven't felt it on the stock R35. Could also be my lack of a wheel at the time.
 
Eh, it's more the on-throttle characteristics that tell me that it's there. It doesn't shift power forward until the rears slip a bit.
 
I will try and pay better attention a little bit later, will take your word for now though. Also sent a psn request.
 
Cpizzythegod
I can tell your a little lost because you called a 2009-2012 GTR a R35. Not true

Whats funny about you tuners is...
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This post is so full of LOLs that I won't need another LOL until ooooh, 2013. You picked the wrong target to rant. Quite frankly, I'd go to RJ before most people, regarding making cars go faster in GT. He has a whole garage full of proven and published builds, from what I can see, you've got nothing but a bucket full of chips and opinions...

{Cy}
 
I hate drag racers and ricers. Wanna fight about it?
 
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