I hate to say it.....

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Well today at GM I was given the task to take a Toyota Tundra and take it to a few different quick lube places and get service done on the truck. This was a study to see if quick lube places actually grease u-joints.

After the lube job, I then had to get the truck dirty...which ment some back road driving, and it helped that it was raining today.

Well so this is what I hate to say, me the pro American car guy....I have to admit that the Tundra is a great truck! Not as good as the F-150 but I liked it better then the Silverado I usally drive around GM. So yes I am saying that I like a TOYOTA over a GM product. :scared:

See I'm not all that narrow minded.
 
The Tundra is better than the Silverado/Sierra because the Silverado/Sierra is ****.

It's not its fault - the Silverado/Sierra has the oldest design in the segment by far. Unfortunately a redesign is far off. The best pickups are the Ford F-150 for mainstream pickup buyers and the Nissan Titan for more upscale buyers - Tundra doesn't stack up against the F-150 at all, and it doesn't stack up against Titan where it matters. Ram seems to be increasingly an afterthought.
 
By the look of things, Blazin, it looks like you pushed a Toyota Tundra to off-road trucking, and you thought it was pretty fun. This reminds me of the episode of "Sports Car Revolution" when Kaz rides a silver Honda CRX. It had the "rice" treatment, and he said at the end that it was fun to drive, even though he'd change a lot about the car (bodykits, muffler, etc.).

Of course, the Tundra is also the latest family member to NASCAR Craftsman Trucks. So if it's tough on the race track, it's probably as tough (if not tougher) as its road truck version. This goes back to myself talking about respecting all makes and models regardless of nationality. I told no lies when I said that I was a 9.5 as an automotive enthusiast. Sure, I'm American. But I don't want to limit myself to just America. How American? A nice Boss 302 or Mach 1 will always intimidate on the road or the track. The Dodge Viper is a supercar with American attitude. And who doesn't love a Corvette from 1953, 1957, or my favorite in 1963? And since you're into trucks, Blazin, I still think the Hummers are the most all-conquering truck on the road or off the road. Forgive me if I sound like some kind of naturalist or hippie, but I made a choice to be different. As much as I have my favorite American cars here, I always look to others. So I'm very fond of Jaguar and BMW. Ferrari is a very pure sportscar company. I admire Honda in automobiles, in addition to their products outside of four-wheelers.

Blazin, all I'm saying is that you have nothing to be afraid or ashamed of. You did a lube job on the Toyota Tundra, took it off-road in the rain, and you liked it. You said it wasn't as good as an F-150, but claimed it was better than your Silverado. Nice of you admitting you're a pro-American car guy :lol:. But, no one dislikes you because you drove a car outside of GM, Ford, or even America (though it's made in America). It just means that there are other automobiles out there that can meet or beat your favorite cars/trucks. Just speaking passionately, you didn't have to be like "I hate to say this...," just that you've kind of been in something that's out of the norm. I actually applaud your honesty. So in other words... you got nothing to be ashamed or guilty of! Smile, man! God loves you! :)
 
JohnBM01
Of course, the Tundra is also the latest family member to NASCAR Craftsman Trucks. So if it's tough on the race track, it's probably as tough (if not tougher) as its road truck version.
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...although the only things the 'Craftsman' and the road versions have in common are the name and the engine block ;)
 
JohnBM01
I still think the Hummers are the most all-conquering truck on the road or off the road.
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not really. ask a seriuos off roader. too long. too wide. think jeep rubicon, mercedes gealendewagen (short wheel base) and land rover defender 90. a hummer is certainly capable off road. but its size also limits its ability.
 
neanderthal
not really. ask a seriuos off roader. too long. too wide. think jeep rubicon, mercedes gealendewagen (short wheel base) and land rover defender 90. a hummer is certainly capable off road. but its size also limits its ability.
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Pretty sure he was thinking Military grade H1.
 
ShobThaBob
Pretty sure he was thinking Military grade H1.
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neanderthal is still right - too long, too wide, too expensive. I'd take a Wrangler Rubicon over an H1 for serious off-roading any day.
 
ShobThaBob
Pretty sure he was thinking Military grade H1.
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hummer is the civilain version of the military humvee. pretty much the same animal except for higher curb weight and interior amenities.
H2 is that overdressed tahoe with a bad plastic surgeon.

id personally take a pinzgauer, except they are underpowered. so a mercedes 300GD SWB or defender 90 Td5.
 
///M-Spec
Cheer up Blazin. At the the Tundra is built right here in the US of A in Princeton, Indiana.
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BlazinX-> Yeah cheer up, theres nothing wrong about it. :)

BTW, the Toyota Tundra will be built in San Antonio, Texas around a year or two. :)
 
Oh I know there is nothing wrong with it at all, but its just the fact that me...the ultra Pro-American Car Guy...had to admit that I enjoyed a Toyota. But hey it doesn't matter, a good truck deserves props.
 
I buy Chrysler but not Ford. Does that count Lincoln-Mercury? How do you tell a Mountaineer from an Explorer when you're looking at raw numbers? Their fourth through seventh VIN digits are the same. Same with a few other Ford-Lincoln-Mercury products.
 
JohnBM01
I still think the Hummers are the most all-conquering truck on the road or off the road.
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uh.... in looks, yeah, definately intimidating....but that's abou it.

H1's well, they are crap. I hate to say that, because i used to love'em. I still really like the looks of the Civilian wagons. :drool: BUT after driving Hummers all over Iraq, in the way they were DESIGNED to be used, i can honestly say that they are crap. Now, naturally we being a guard unit, had older ones, and ran into problems with getting parts, but still, those things suck! In an urban, hell in ANY type of environment, they are too damn wide!! and they wiegh a TON!! (a figurative 'ton') Yeah, H1's look cool and all, but i wouldn't buy one. Now, a Toyota MegaCruiser, that was probably they way it should have been done!
 
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ford does a lot of its assembly in canada and mexico. NAFTA can be a b!tch. toyotas best selling american nameplates (camry and corolla, also avalon and echo) are built in the US. as are all its full size trucks and suvs (land cruiser excluded) and the majority of its smaller trucks.


now that i think about it i think they also have a plant in canade, but i think that makes thier minivans.
 
Aren't the 'urban' HumVees based on a Chevy Blazer platform anyway, rather than a Hummer (military type)?


I'd take a Lamborghini LM002 over any of them!
 
The359
I meant actual vehicles built per year, not vehicle types.
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I know. I still don't buy it.

neanderthal
ford does a lot of its assembly in canada and mexico. NAFTA can be a b!tch. toyotas best selling american nameplates (camry and corolla, also avalon and echo) are built in the US. as are all its full size trucks and suvs (land cruiser excluded) and the majority of its smaller trucks.
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The list - Toyota and Ford's current (MY 03 and 04) model range:

Toyota
4Runner: Japan (100%)
Avalon: United States (100%)
Camry: United States (70%), Japan (30%)
Celica: Japan (100%)
Corolla: Canada (55%), United States (45%)*
Echo: Japan (100%)
Highlander: Japan (100%)
Land Cruiser: Japan (100%)
Matrix: Canada (100%)
MR2: Japan (100%)
Prius: Japan (100%)
RAV4: Japan (100%)
Sequoia: United States (100%)
Sienna: United States (100%)
Solara:
- old model: Canada (100%)
- new model: United States (100%)
Tacoma: United States (100%)
Tundra: United States (100%)

Ford
Crown Victoria: Canada (100%)
Escape: United States (100%)
Excursion: United States (100%)
Expedition: United States (100%)
Explorer: United States (100%)
Explorer Sport Trac: United States (100%)
F-150:
- old model: United States (90%), Canada (10%)**
- new model: United States (100%)
Focus: United States (80%), Mexico (20%)***
Freestar: Canada (100%)
Mustang: United States (100%)
Ranger: United States (100%)
Taurus: United States (100%)
Thunderbird: United States (100%)

* = I believe that a very small percentage of 2002-present Corollas were made in Japan, though the number is perhaps just two or three percent
** = All Lightning models were made in Canada, and it's possible that all flareside regular cab short bed models were made there as well (this would only amount to a few hundred trucks, though, so the percentage would not change)
*** = only SVT, ZX3 and ZX5 models are made in Mexico
 
"Aren't the 'urban' HumVees based on a Chevy Blazer platform anyway, rather than a Hummer (military type)?
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Nope the H1, H2, and H3's are all based on their own platforms.

The only things on the ST platforms are: S-10, S-15, Blazer, Jimmy, Trailblazer (Blazer), Envoy (Jimmy), Rodeo, and Bravada.
 
M5Power
neanderthal is still right - too long, too wide, too expensive. I'd take a Wrangler Rubicon over an H1 for serious off-roading any day.
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I'm with ya on that I am strictly against the H2... because there are nowhere near enough people using them for what they're built for... serious offroading. Too expensive to damage, too big for small trails, too pretty to scratch ect. On the otherhand, as most Americans know, any Jeep, save the Commander, Liberty, Cherokee series and Wagoneer series, is wildly popular with the off-road guys.
 
Cherokee is popular, and with good reason - well-done Cherokees can do the job. Liberty will grow in popularity as they grow older and used prices start to fall. Another Jeep that's unpopular is the Comanche, one of the crappiest pieces of trash ever.
 
I don't see the kind of tunability in a Liberty or Cherokee/Grand Cherokee as I do in a CJ or Wrangler for instance. I'm talking serious off roading. 35" tires, built to run through mud bogs and crawl over boulders ect. In fact, most off road junkies actually consider a Rubicon mild compared to the 'real deal'. I'd just take a modded S10 :D
 
Well if its out there, people will find a way to do something to it. And there are plenty of Libertys out there that can easily make it through the mud. There is also this club I guess call LOST...Liberty Owners Special Team. They look to all have off roading Libertys and they all have some kinda lift.

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But as long as we are on the subject of off roading. The S-10 isn't the best thing to try off road...well if you have some power mods you can get through anything and you have to have locking diffs. My buddy has a S-10 and that things been stuck more times then I can count. But you can make anything into a off roader. I still say the best off the shelf off road truck is a Jeep Wrangler, just for what it can do and the price it is.
 
BlazinXtreme
Nope the H1, H2, and H3's are all based on their own platforms.

The only things on the ST platforms are: S-10, S-15, Blazer, Jimmy, Trailblazer (Blazer), Envoy (Jimmy), Rodeo, and Bravada.
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The Envoy, Trailblazer, and 2002+ Bravada are on the GM360 platform. Unless you mean thoes special editions of the Jimmy and Blazer.
 
the H2 is largely based on the tahoe platform with other parts bin stuff. mainly from the 3/4 ton silverado.
the H3 is supposedly based on the GM360 platform.
 
H1 is its own unique platform. H2 is indeed Tahoe/Yukon based. H3 is built off of the Colorado/Canyon platform.
 
Yes there is a H3 and I have been in the running model. Its the ****tiest thing I've ever been in. Its about the size of a Tracker.

The Envoy, Trailblazer, and 2002+ Bravada are on the GM360 platform. Unless you mean thoes special editions of the Jimmy and Blazer.
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You can't tell me anything that I don't already I know about the GMT Programs. I worked on them all summer.

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