I miss stage 4 turbos

[BradKinder]

Stage 4 turbos were fun.

 

[Blayney]

No you have high rpm turbos, doing the same thing? Alright so some of the cars don't make as much power as they used to, but they are still quick!

*is currently loving his ACR Viper, no turbos here!*

 

[BradKinder]

Stage 1, 2, and 3 in GT4 were exactly the same as low RPM, mid RPM, and high RPM in GT5. Stage 4 in GT4 was crazy ultra high-rpm with lots of lag.

 

[-=DV=-]

I too miss the dirty big laggy stage 4 turbos, with nothing but lag and then just an explosion of torque.
Reason that i imagine these werent included, is turbocharger technology has changed alot in the last 6 years. Back then ALL turbochargers were 360 degree thrust bearing at best, The bigger the turbo, the more weight was in the shaft/wheel assembly and the more weight was resting on the bearing creating more friction. basically meaning to get big power you needed big lag. As the maximum a turbo could flow increased, the lag exponentially increased. Hence the big laggy t88's ect Today ball bearing turbochargers have completely changed the game.The ball bearing cores make them alot more responsive, but also allows them to spin at a MUCH higher speed, being able to offer a significantly higher flow from a turbo with a much smaller frame, You no longer need a stupid big laggy turbo to flow alot of air. Take for example the GT40 series turbochargers from garrett, on a 2j they are capable of flowing up to and even over 900hp on the right housing, But they are just as responsive as the standard twins.
Or even a mildly sized gt3082 on my 1j powered soarer. The turbo is only just touching on its efficiency range at 22psi but im laying down nearly 450rwhp(with its efficiency range reaching from 20psi to about 40psi there is alot more power it could deliver), and on full boost by 2800 rpm. about 1000rpm earlier than the small twins would make a maximum of 9psi.

Im guessing PD have sort of looked at this when designing the turbo upgrades for the game. All said though, there is alot of room for more power than the current options are offering. It seems many aspects of this game were dumbed down. Infact it was quite a facepalm moment for me when I saw the options for turbochargers had been dumbed down to "low rpm", "mid rpm" and "high rpm". It feels alot like they have shifted the target audience from car nuts to kids/casual gamers to try and get an extra slice of the pie.

 

[Fonzdaii]

I'm not exactly sure if this works on all car types, but I supercharged an old muscle car and changed the transmission and with over 600hp, the torque delivery is incredible! It feels just like a turbo with a sudden burst of power that makes it absolutely fly!

The acceleration effects are definitely well made in the game.

 

[Sidstyler]

I miss my 930hp GTO Twin Turbo. that was fun.

 

[veyron1001]

I was keep up with a guy in a c6r race car with nissan gtr V spec 500hp. About 140 hp down just by usability of the power. But yea i would love stupid power turbo option leaving a smoke screen with power sliding.

 

[Mrtrent1024]

there was in GT4 stage 4 turbos by the tuner companies that had the same torque curve as a stage 3 but gave stage 4 HP, original they were called, why couldn't we have those

 

[THEPUNISHER]

I remember in gt4 there is more than 5 turbo kits in other tuning companies nismo hks what ever
back to gt4 i didn't have a single idea in tuning cars i just see what turbo gives more hp , thats not point the point is i remember a turbo kits comes with blow valves with some pipes < i know thats sound retarded because i can't remember exactly what is it , in general turbo kits in gt4 got more details than gt5 .

 

[MrGrado]

Full tune an Escudo, that has lag... big lag.

 

[THEPUNISHER]

Full tune an Escudo, that has lag... big lag.

That car is lag by it self .

 

[savage388]

The stage 4 turbos were great! The car would be sluggish around the corners then wham! the power hits and your off. I also miss the intercooler option.

 

[Rayzah]

I could care less about the size of the turbo than the ability to create a fuel map and cam timing for an existing turbo.

 

[savage388]

I could care less about the size of the turbo than the ability to create a fuel map and cam timing for an existing turbo.

They had a mapping system on gt1 and it was pretty awesome.

 

[Rayzah]

They had a mapping system on gt1 and it was pretty awesome.

I remember. It was archaic, but at least it was something. It would make the dragging section of GT5 that much more respectable. And provide a little more control. If only

 

[savage388]

I remember. It was archaic, but at least it was something. It would make the dragging section of GT5 that much more respectable. And provide a little more control. If only

I enjoyed it, but what was better was nfs underground 2's dyno tuning. The cars may not have handled anything like real life but dyno tuning was sooo cool.

 

[chase94]

Yes it was fun ,but this is the REAL driving simulator. adding 800 HP to everything isn't very real.

 

[88FoxBodyFan]

Stage 4 turbos were the fun days of 900+ hp Skylines and 3000GTs.

 

[PhillGuy]

I miss NA tuning.

 

[Snakebitten]

If they bring back Test Track I'd wish for them to add 1500-2000hp turbo option for cars like Vipers, Gallardos, Supras etc that in RL make these numbers. Quite a few of these beasts running around on the road in RL folks so it's very realistic.

 

[m8h3r]

If they bring back Test Track I'd wish for them to add 1500-2000hp turbo option for cars like Vipers, Gallardos, Supras etc that in RL make these numbers. Quite a few of these beasts running around on the road in RL folks so it's very realistic.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as I can't prove you wrong but a 2000bhp Gallardo? Really?

 

[finnracer]

There is some child-like appeal to huge turbos though. Your in a 1000hp supra in 4th gear at 1500rpm and you floor the throttle:

5 sec later 2000rpm - this is leasurly.

another 5 sec 2500rpm - has the turbo broken the engine?

5sec more 3000rpm - this is pathetic

another 5 pass 3500rpm - I'm ringing up the tuning shop for a refund

4 seconds this time 4000rpm - hang on is that acceleration I feel?

2 seconds pass 4500rpm - here we goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

3 seconds later - 7500rpm change into 5th wondering if you will ever find some traction!!

 

[Illogical]

Yes it was fun ,but this is the REAL driving simulator. adding 800 HP to everything isn't very real.

But the over limited amount of power you get now kind of sucks. I had an eclipse GS-T with more whp than the one in GT5 has and its only had about $8000 in parts as opposed to GT5s what $100,000+. Not practical yes, but real world high HP was more attainable in previous GTs and dissappointing now. Especially if you remember being able to do this and that and now with the same car in the same series you can't. bums you out some

 

[Snakebitten]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as I can't prove you wrong but a 2000bhp Gallardo? Really?

Do a search on Underground Racing TT Gallardos, Ferrari's and Vipers. I know of about two of them that put out more than 1800awhp thats over 2000 crank hp. Of course you know of quite a few Vipers that eclipsed those numbers years before the Gallardos did. There are also a few Supras in that range but they are not full streetcars like the Vipers and Gallardos are. There are other cars too in the 1500-2000 hp range too like Mustangs, Camaros, Vettes, Porsches, Ford GT's, Ferraris. Anything can be made stupid fast. Just check out the Mile races like the Texas Mile or Maxton Mile racing and you will see some of the sickest most powerful true streetcars. GT5 could reflect reality by offering stage 4 or 5 or etc turbos to get those RL numbers

Obviously it would be just for fun on tracks like the Test Track, Indy, Daytona etc and then you would detune it for actual road racing or leave the big hp and have some fun around Autumn Ring LOL. BTW the big block cars like the Vipers don't suffer significant lag at all. Even the Porsches have been able to reduce or even eliminate the lag through tech. It would be fun to bring this part of the automotive game back to GT series. It certainly would wake up the drag race community

This is what about 2k+RWHP [about 2300+hp at the crank] looks like on a Viper in the 1/4 mile. 3600lbs full streetcar btw. 7.1 @ 201mph in just a 1/4 mile. Id love to get a Viper in GT5 to this hp level and see what it would do flat out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYpx-0HJMQ4

 

[yzfmike]

Also guys, some cars made more HP in GT4 with the Stage 5 turbo. A bit less HP than stage 4 sometimes but a big chunk of torque was added. The 2002 Nissan Skyline R-34 V-Spec II Nur edition maxed out at 911 HP with the stage 5 turbo.

 

[ucwepn]

It would throw the PP balance out of whack even more, would still love it in gt5 though the turbos are very much lacking at the moment. Even adding a boost control would be something that would be fun, wind it right up laggy as then an explosion of power and wears the engine out faster hehe.