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Why don't you wanna race just all stock? Is it because your cheap ass car needs a s*it-kit to go fast? I'll smoke any stock Japanese car with my stock XKR. But no, you need to boost up your little piece of s*it! Anyway, who wants to buy a car from the same people who bombed Pearl Harbor? And, Mitsubishi owned concentration camps in Japan during WWII that imprisoned Americans, so **** them too.
 
You still don't get it do you?
You are 17 and carrying a grudge from a war that happened before your grandparents met.
Half the stuff in your house is Japanese, or at least Imported.
What kind of Shoes do you wear? 90% chance they weren't made here in the good ol' US of A.
We make good stuff. But the Viper is a case in point of how much more expensive it is. Some times you pay more because it's necessary. Sometimes you just pay more.
Are you sure you want to run stock against stock?
 
Originally posted by Jaguar_XJ220_2002
"50 years of speed and style"
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Dude Subaru have been making cars for almost as long :D
Hmmmmm XKR you say what a lame american car "I dont class Jags as english"

By the way do you know where the designers of the Jaguar XJ220 came from??

JAPAN!
 
Originally posted by Jaguar_XJ220_2002
Why don't you wanna race just all stock? Is it because your cheap ass car needs a s*it-kit to go fast? I'll smoke any stock Japanese car with my stock XKR. But no, you need to boost up your little piece of s*it! Anyway, who wants to buy a car from the same people who bombed Pearl Harbor? And, Mitsubishi owned concentration camps in Japan during WWII that imprisoned Americans, so **** them too.
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Since you want to rant, let me interject with a bit of intelligence. First of all, you have very bad grammar. Second of all, if you are so stuck on a Jag then why bother asking your question? Thirdly, the idea that various other people have tried to portray has bee efficiency. Compare if you will a Mitsu 3000GT to your XKR. Just because the Jag has a huge engine does not mean it is the bomb. It is a rear wheel drive compared to the Mitsu's 4wd, the Jag is heavier and therefore more sluggish. This, coupled with high horses and torque, tend to make a behemoth like Jag into a tail-happy giant. Does the weight of the car affect the tire wear? How does it affect the recovery time if there is a mess-up? I don't know how many people will agree with me when I say that GT is not about stock car racing. It is about touring. Yes, we can have some semblance of stock car racing, etc. but that, I don't think, is the spirirt of the game. Before you go bad-mouthing asian products consider this: the car industry started around the same time in America, Europe and Asia at around the same time. How much has each region grown (& I am not even talking about the tradeing of company ownership)? Why are the so called "Rice Burners" highly common. I defend the asian product not because I think they are superior to any other but because I am an asian and having lived in different places recognize the benefits of each. Also answer me this - why did Japan boom after the world war (even though they were almost wiped out)? Compare the rate of economic growth of Japan to America's growth out of the Great Depression. As to your point about Mitsu owning concentration camps, think about this...during the Gulf War, the Allied Forces fought against sold American technology, not something they concocted. Quit your xenophobia before you start typing. My comments may seem anti-American but they are not. Why would I go fight in the Middle East after September 11, 2001? Living in horrendous conditions while supporting American liberty while you may have been sitting in your bedroom playing GT3?
One final comment: I have beaten a Viper with I believe a Stage 2 turbo on my little Impreza!! I'm not saying htat the Jag isn't good. Personally, I like the Jag but I concur with Gil's comments wholeheartedly.
 
Originally posted by Jaguar_XJ220_2002
Why don't you wanna race just all stock? Is it because your cheap ass car needs a s*it-kit to go fast? I'll smoke any stock Japanese car with my stock XKR. But no, you need to boost up your little piece of s*it! Anyway, who wants to buy a car from the same people who bombed Pearl Harbor? And, Mitsubishi owned concentration camps in Japan during WWII that imprisoned Americans, so **** them too.
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For your information: I have tested the RX-7, XKR, R34, and 22B.
I wouldn't have made the offer if I didn't think I could win 😈
I'm not just some old coot. I'm a very cagey old coot. In other words you walked into this one with your eyes wide open. :D
The Jag has the advantage with power to weight ratio, however, Its soft luxo-tourer handling gives the advantage to the RX-7.
There is literally less than 1/2 second in lap time between them at Midfield.
That is with the cars freshly bought and taken directly to "Run and setting". No oil change, no mods. I ran the cleanest laps possible for my skill level.
I'll be big enough to say the 0.3 sec was to the advantage of the Jag. But, I only ran 5 laps in each car.
Here's the rub. The Mazda handled better, and was under 40 grand, the XKR was 106 grand. By my math, (I just love my math, you know)
Your Jag was faster by 0.3 sec for one lap only at a cost of 66 grand give or take 2500cr. That is about 22,000 per 0.1 sec.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Dollar for dollar , I will beat you almost every time with a Japanese car. I could easily pick up that 3 tenths on tires alone. You would have been better off choosing the Viper. It was indeed faster around the track. But who can't be a hero with an 8.0 liter motor?

As for the rest of your post, History tends to be written by the winners. If you research carefully, you will find that we unjustly imprisoned many thousands of Japanese-Americans during WWII. Simply for being of Japanese ancestry. Another little man with a funny mustache did the same with the Jews.
We also bombed not one, but two of their cities filled with civilians with nukes. They bombed a military target to try to keep us out of the war. I'm not trying to justify Pearl Harbor. I spent four years in the U.S. military and am a strong believer in "Peace thru superior firepower". But, in the "Grand Scheme of Things" They "slapped our face" and we "beat them about the head and shoulders with a 2 X 4" (figuratively speaking)
Proportional response?
Think about it.

I am not trying to flame you, BTW. I just want you to think a bit before you go nuts on someone. Or, A little saying you can use later "Make sure your brain is loaded before you shoot off your mouth" :D

I'm still game for Stock Jag XKR vs Mazda RX-7. At Monaco, I will surely beat you.
 
1st of all the makers of Jaguar were not from Japanese, so shut the hell up, I know more about Jags than you. 2nd what do you mean am I sure I want to go stock vs. stock, of course I am. I just raced the XKR stock Vs. my friends 3000GT Stock and smoked him badly. 3rd of all it's a game, so the cars are not 100% accurate. 4th in real life I could supe up an XKR and smoke a suped up 3000GT or SkyLine. 5th, I could smoke a 3000GT or Skyline with the stock XJ220.
 
I asked a simple question, and I noted that I don't like Japanese cars, everyone has there own opinion why can't you guys just leave it alone? I never said I don't like Japanese people, I have some asian friends, and I never said that I don't own anything Japanese, I just don't like the cars, because they are cheap and s*itty. Oh, and I will not have to drive a Japanese car to get 100% because when it comes to all the Japanese car races thats my friends job to do.
 
To test your Infinite Jaguar Knowledge
1. What was the Engine that was meant to go into the XJ220 before the V6 Twin Turbo?
2. Name 1 of Jaguars F1 team Drivers? (eeeeeeasy)
3. Whats the name of Jaguars Racing division? (V easy)
4. What Engine did the XJR-15 have?
5. What was the name of the Concept car Jaguar made in 1998?
 
Originally posted by Jaguar_XJ220_2002
1. A V12 Engine (But it would cost too much so they scraped it)

2. Eddie Irvine

3. Racing Green Cars

4. A V12 Engine

5. The Jaguar XK180, I have 2 models of it.
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Ok ok Im sorry I apologise you know yer stuff! :D

Apart from Jags racing division its called TWR (tom Wilkinshaw Racing) but they do stuff for other manufacturers as well. For some odd reason They manage the arrows F1 team?? mind you they have the same engine as Jaguar.
 
Isnt F1 kinda hard to watch in america (I mean like they dont have good coverage)

Do you like the new S-Type R?? 400bhp
Ive been driving this allot in GTConcept Im starting to want one!
 
Yeah I love that car, where are you from? GT Concept is out where you live already? There is Jaguars in GT Concept? Which ones? I thought it was gonna be GT: Tokyo Concept or something like that, with only Japanese cars.
 
Im Engerlish look at my location So I have
GTConcept Tokyo-Geneva which has a load of new cars that the Japanese version of GTConcept doesnt have. They also have a newer XKR with 400bhp and my Fav An Audi TT RAce car from the Desuch Touring Car championship (think of an audi tt with a huge spoiler racing bodywork and a 460bhp V8 engine) This new version of concept has a whole load of new cars
 
Originally posted by Jaguar_XJ220_2002
Hey Gil, I accept your challenge. The track is Trial Mountan.
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Yer on, I'll get on this as soon as my son gets off the Playstation, or tommorow AM.

He didn't say the makers of the Jag, He said the designers of the XJ220.

As I said, I wasn't flaming you. Just trying to open your eyes to both sides. You are free to hate Japanese cars.
I for one am mostly partial to cars with my name on the pink slip that are paid for.
Truth be known, my best cars, reliability wise have been Fords. I was also really fond of my Nissan Sentra. Built in Tennessee by AMERICAN auto workers. It wasn't the fastest or the prettiest. but it was one of the sturdiest.
 
Originally posted by Jaguar_XJ220_2002
what do you mean am I sure I want to go stock vs. stock, of course I am. I just raced the XKR stock Vs. my friends 3000GT Stock and smoked him badly.
in real life I could supe up an XKR and smoke a suped up 3000GT or SkyLine.
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As I have said, before. Stock you have about 60,000cr more in a Jag. Dollar for dollar, You will still have a very cool, comfy, reasonably fast car. But If I spend what you spend, I WILL, WITHOUT DOUBT, be faster. You will be more comfortable, and be able to hear the stereo over the motor. But I will be faster.
You are getting everything but the value for a dollar/cr part.
IF you want to split hairs, Dollar for Dollar, I'll beat the XKR with the SVT Mustang.
Am I saying a stock XKR is a bad car? No. I'm saying if you spend THREE times the money on a car you expect a modicum of luxury.
I'm not totally sure, but I think I can give the Viper GTS a run for it's money, In the Mustang or the RX-7 in a dollar for dollar competition.
BTW in the Game, The GTO handles poorly and is a bit heavier with softer suspension than the Jag. You should have beaten it.
You will have problems with a lighter, nimbler car, like the RX-7 or RX-8.
 
I've completed my run in BOTH cars. I even ran the Jag a few extra laps, and I ran it second after I was used to the track.
I ran 1:40.963 with the XKR and it wasn't my cleanest lap. All the truly clean laps were slower. The Jag didn't like Trial Mtn at all.
The RX-7 I ran 10 laps an I ran about four 1:40s back to back.
My best lap was a 1:39.978.
I also have asked a friend who is a much better driver to run these two cars also. I will get back to you with results when/if he gets back to me. :D

'Course I'm sure he'll post times quite a bit faster than mine. :D

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I was right he (SaleenASL) was faster. 1:38.126 for the Jag and 1:38.058 for the RX-7.
He was able to get more consistent behaviour from both cars, but was still faster in the RX-7.
That 60,000 I didn't spend would have blown the Jag into the weeds. And thats with 47,000 going to supersoft tires.
 
Originally posted by Jaguar_XJ220_2002
Why don't you wanna race just all stock? Is it because your cheap ass car needs a s*it-kit to go fast?

I'll smoke any stock Japanese car with my stock XKR.

But no, you need to boost up your little piece of s*it!
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I believe you said "l'll smoke any stock Japanese car with my stock XKR".

I took you at your word. Are we now doing a bait and switch?

Or, have you already run the XKR and found out the truth?

And with only tires, no "s*it kit" I can probably give you a run in a SKyline. Which ain't no cheap car if you'll check Motorex.com, you'll note that in this country, a new R-34 will cost $95,000. It ain't the 106,000 of the XKR but close enough.

I already know a stock Viper will beat my stock RX-7. Just as I already know a stock RX-7 will beat a Stock XKR.

:D But then, who can't be a hero with an 8.0 liter motor? :D
 
Hey Gil!

I've never known you to post anything less than good (and polite) sense but this harranging of British luxury motors is starting to pain my English soul!

I don't want to add fuel to a debate that is hovering on the brink of flames so I'm going to dodge the 'Which is best in GT3' side of things and talk about the world where cars are made of metal rather than light.

GT3 is an excellent simulation of tin-top track racing but it can't hope to give a taste of the sensation you get swaddled in the leather and wood of a Jaguar or Aston Martin.

The cash you have to part with in the game for the upper class vehicles does not unfortunately pass on through to the performance as part of the premium you're paying is for something it can't let you experience!

Would an RX-7 beat an XKR in the real world? Hard to say. There's only a 0.1 second difference in the 0-60 times (in the XKR's favour) but the Jag actually has a better HP/ton (229 versus 184). Not being from the monied classes I can't afford such a beast, so I can't speak from actual experience, but the Jags are designed not to upset rich people (or dump them in the hedge when they're driving beyond their capabilities!), so their handling is smooth, solid and predictable. On the other hand, the RX-7 is to all intents and purposes a street-rod i.e. designed to be raw and exciting. It's edginess would definately be fun but I think that very same 'mustang' streak in it's nature would count against it on the track.

If only we could afford to test this out with the real cars (breathes wistful sigh!) as I can never shake the suspicion that the rides from the Land of the Rising Sun are 'given' just a smidgen of advantage that they don't deserve in GT3.
 
I have driven an XKR for 5 mins but that was under street conditions. So I didnt go nuts with it, but in the game I think that the astons and the jags dont handle very well. I bought the ASton martin V8 vantage a while ago and it has to be one of the worst handling cars in the game. Even after I did the weight reduction and suspension modification and setup it still hadled like it was on ice. mind you allot of car reviewers have been saying that the Jaguar XKR`s handling couldve been allot better. I wouldnt know about this personally, although ive noticed that the only britsh manufacturer that has cars the have decent handling is TVR. Think about it this was I have seen tons of racing RX-7`s on TV and on websites, but I have only seen 1 pic of a racing XKR. Personally I think the XKR is not a track car its a nice sports tourer that eats up those miles (oh and gives you a big petrol bill) I would like one, but ill stick to me 1100cc ford fiesta for the moment.
 
Very fair comment Y2Tuscan. I found the Vantage in GT3 handles beautifully tho'. It's problem is that it's so heavy it's braking and accelerating characteristics are glacial - and tyre wear ....! It's the only UK car I've not managed to conquer the PRO Dream Cars in (that's my 'benchmark' series for 'non-race' vehicles).
 
Sukerkin,
Two things, You note I gave the XKR kudos for all its good points and noted that GT3 being a Japanese designed game, would give the Japanese cars a slight advantage. I work in a hospital in one of the richest areas in the US. I see and drool over all manner of Jags on a daily basis. I would rather have one of them over an RX-7 any day. But like you Y2Tuscan, I drive an 11 year-old mini-Ford (Escort for me)
Also, you note I was smart enough not to make that challange to the Lotus 350 :D.

You guys know I would have left it alone, if not for the swear-word filled, angry reply.
But the more I thought about it...
 
Oh I know from the flavour of your previous posts, Gil, that you weren't 'having a go' (so to speak) at the cars. As you say at the end, we all know what prompted you to take a stand. No real offense taken here - I just felt it my patriotic duty (even tho Jag's now owned by Ford) to sing the XKR's praises a bit!
 
Oh OK, I didn't know you wanted to do the stock race, cause at first you said you wanted to race a suped up Japanese car Versus a Viper. OK I will run the XKR and kick your ass.
 

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