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I bought a Toyota RSC, and I tested it (fully tuned) on the Summit Point Raceway (Eifel)
I some corners, the car beginns to lift of two wheels from the ground and it tips of...
How do i have to tune the car, to avoid that, but still being faster?
soften the suspension?
i have the same problem with my Lotus Elise RM, on racing soft tyres...
 
MonGnoM
I bought a Toyota RSC, and I tested it (fully tuned) on the Summit Point Raceway (Eifel)
I some corners, the car beginns to lift of two wheels from the ground and it tips of...
How do i have to tune the car, to avoid that, but still being faster?
soften the suspension?
i have the same problem with my Lotus Elise RM, on racing soft tyres...
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MonGnoM
I bought a Toyota RSC, and I tested it (fully tuned) on the Summit Point Raceway (Eifel)
I some corners, the car beginns to lift of two wheels from the ground and it tips of...
How do i have to tune the car, to avoid that, but still being faster?
soften the suspension?
i have the same problem with my Lotus Elise RM, on racing soft tyres...
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You mean it drives sideways on 2 wheels? Or do the front wheels lift?
 
MonGnoM
sideways on 2 wheels, and then tips over
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Is that a custom track and the only track you have this problem with?
If so it's probably more of an issue with the weird tracks that the game makes than an issue with the car/s.:odd:
 
I had this problem before. Luckily you didn't get dogged out 10 ways from Sunday like I did when I asked:crazy:

Anyways after I read a bunch of posts of people calling me a 🤬 for using RS tires(which I clearly stated when my girl plays :dunce: ). I was able to get some info from someone.

RS tires create a unrealistic amount of grip. So when you are trying to take a turn at full speed the lateral force on the tires is not enough to get them to break loose. Also I would turn on SRF for her witch adds even more unrealistic grip. So with all of that unrealistic grip it was enough to flip the car with little effort.

The only solution I found was to use RH tires and no SRF.

To all the haters of RS tires, they are a good stepping stone to learn to play this game. Over the months, my girl has learned to drive on the stock tires and no aids except for ABS1, she can now lay down laps 1-2 seconds off mine.

So to all the haters thanks for the motivation baby!

Good Luck and Good Racing:cheers:
 
RS tires create a unrealistic amount of grip. So when you are trying to take a turn at full speed the lateral force on the tires is not enough to get them to break loose. Also I would turn on SRF for her witch adds even more unrealistic grip. So with all of that unrealistic grip it was enough to flip the car with little effort.
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Not only is the first sentence untrue, but passenger cars roll over on race tracks with far less than soft slicks, not even slicks at all.

Since SUV's are 5x more likely to roll than cars, I think if you're racing an SUV on slicks and rolling over is a concern, GT5 did a pretty good job in that area.


On the other hand the OP says same thing with the Elise, which I'd enjoy hearing/seeing how it's even possible to flip.
 
CSLACR
Not only is the first sentence untrue, but passenger cars roll over on race tracks with far less than soft slicks, not even slicks at all.

Since SUV's are 5x more likely to roll than cars, I think if you're racing an SUV on slicks and rolling over is a concern, GT5 did a pretty good job in that area.

On the other hand the OP says same thing with the Elise, which I'd enjoy hearing/seeing how it's even possible to flip.
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I raced both cars on racing soft tyres.
I can understand it, that the SUV or a pickup flips, with rs tyres.
The Elise didn't really flip over, but it was on the point of, so I'm loosing much time, to get the car under control again.
I tried to soften the suspension, which helped (to stay with 4 wheels on the ground) but the lightweight Elise feels then like a boat.
 
One car is tall, the other weighs nothing, and I'll take a wild guess at both having slammed, hard suspension. Take yourself off to the stickies at the top of this thread and find yourself a post-2.09 build. 2.09 turned curbs from mole hills into mountains, not only will the dodgy custom tracks cause you problems, but any track with slightly substantial curbs will cause you problems...

{Cy}
 
CSLACR
Not only is the first sentence untrue, but passenger cars roll over on race tracks with far less than soft slicks, not even slicks at all.

Since SUV's are 5x more likely to roll than cars, I think if you're racing an SUV on slicks and rolling over is a concern, GT5 did a pretty good job in that area.


On the other hand the OP says same thing with the Elise, which I'd enjoy hearing/seeing how it's even possible to flip.
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I've had this happen in my Integra and a BMW tuned to 500PP
 
:odd:... The only car, in recent memory, that I could get to tip was a '98 Mini... and it took alot of effort :lol:.

Maybe if you share your settings with us we could see what might be the problem and what we could fix to help.

-thanks :dopey:
 
krenkme
:odd:... The only car, in recent memory, that I could get to tip was a '98 Mini... and it took alot of effort :lol:.

Maybe if you share your settings with us we could see what might be the problem and what we could fix to help.

-thanks :dopey:
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I was just telling dude my experience. I would also like to state that my girl flipped the car. I could not get it to flip.

New driver experience:confused:
 
ryzno
I was just telling dude my experience. I would also like to state that my girl flipped the car. I could not get it to flip.

New driver experience:confused:
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Hay, no problem. This is a game and was made to have fun. :dopey:.

But if it's tippie I want to first, know your settings (so me and my kids can have fun) and second, help to prevent it :D.

Have a wonderful day! :dopey:
 
krenkme
:odd:... The only car, in recent memory, that I could get to tip was a '98 Mini... and it took alot of effort :lol:.

Maybe if you share your settings with us we could see what might be the problem and what we could fix to help.

-thanks :dopey:
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No changes on the suspension.
 
ok to give you a simple answer, try lowering either spring rates by 1.0 to 2.0 or COMP/EXT by 1 or 2 notches down, see if that helps
 
MrPainCake
ok to give you a simple answer, try lowering either spring rates by 1.0 to 2.0 or COMP/EXT by 1 or 2 notches down, see if that helps
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i will try that in the afternoon.
 
Softening it should make it more prone to rolling.
Of course I've never flipped a single car in GT5 without hitting a curb or something sideways, but at least IRL, stiffer, lower, & harder would make it harder to roll over.
 
CSLACR
Softening it should make it more prone to rolling.
Of course I've never flipped a single car in GT5 without hitting a curb or something sideways, but at least IRL, stiffer, lower, & harder would make it harder to roll over.
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yes that can be correct too but, also it might be flipping because the suspension is so still that as soon as it hits a bump its got nothing to compensate for it so it flips,
 
Like I said, I've never managed to do it without something very extreme happening, and on cars I would expect to roll much easier than an Elise with downforce.
I have, however, driven many cars at the stiffest and highest setting possible, along with stiffest and lowest possible. Not once so far has it resulted in rollovers.
 
Which Elise is tipping? I know the first Gen RM model can do wheelies and most SUV's or tall cars have a tendency to drive on two wheels when on RS tires, even more so when SRF is on.

If I remember correctly in order to roll SUV's you had to raise it, soften the anti roll bars and stiffen the dampers, and add stupid amounts of camber and toe, so try doing the opposite of that. Whether or not it will handle well I'm not sure, but that could stop the driving on the side wheels.

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CSLACR
Like I said, I've never managed to do it without something very extreme happening, and on cars I would expect to roll much easier than an Elise with downforce.
I have, however, driven many cars at the stiffest and highest setting possible, along with stiffest and lowest possible. Not once so far has it resulted in rollovers.
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mabye his been raising the car? on the RSC anyway
 
CSLACR
Like I said, I've never managed to do it without something very extreme happening, and on cars I would expect to roll much easier than an Elise with downforce.
I have, however, driven many cars at the stiffest and highest setting possible, along with stiffest and lowest possible. Not once so far has it resulted in rollovers.
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You're not trying hard enough then. Rolling cars at Trial Mountain is as easy as pie, hell I've experienced near rolls at London and more recently at The 'Ring...



{Cy}
 
CyKosis1973
You're not trying hard enough then. Rolling cars at Trial Mountain is as easy as pie, hell I've experienced near rolls at London and more recently at The 'Ring...



{Cy}
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mmm that set of corners before the start line on trail has that hill on one side, can flip any car on that, as for london if i remember thats pretty up and down
 
MrPainCake
mmm that set of corners before the start line on trail has that hill on one side, can flip any car on that, as for london if i remember thats pretty up and down
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There are some surprisingly big curbs at London. Since 2.09, if your suspension is too hard, you can tip cars on the entry of the big right hander before the final straight at The 'Ring. I took an Elise through there not long after the update and ended up parked on my side, roof resting against the armco, so not a proper flip, but still hanging in the 6-point harness...

{Cy}
 
CyKosis1973
There are some surprisingly big curbs at London. Since 2.09, if your suspension is too hard, you can tip cars on the entry of the big right hander before the final straight at The 'Ring. I took an Elise through there not long after the update and ended up parked on my side, roof resting against the armco, so not a proper flip, but still hanging in the 6-point harness...

{Cy}
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yeah ill have to test all tracks again for a few hours again when i get back, havent had much of a chance to play on 2.09 yet
 
CSLACR
Softening it should make it more prone to rolling.
Of course I've never flipped a single car in GT5 without hitting a curb or something sideways, but at least IRL, stiffer, lower, & harder would make it harder to roll over.
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And it even works in GT5.

I recommend to lower the car close to min (min is sometimes too low; oh and before you start complaining because of the behaviour when driving over bumps - show me first a RSC which consistantly bottoms out, even if set to lowest), set stiff bars first and then to adjust springs. Bars seem to have a bigger impact than springs.

But honestly, don't expect too much. You'll not be able to completely solve the problem.
 

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