I ordered drugs on the internet, will they arrive...?

[shmogt]

DMAA is as much a real drug as ritalin. Chemicals are chemicals. Natural vs. synthetic doesn't matter if the compound is the same.

Lol ok technically yes, but it's not prescription.

That's a good analogy, because you make this sound more like a drug addiction then a pre-workout supplement. Personally I don't use pre-workouts since I can't justify the extra ~$1 per workout just to lift weights and jack my heartrate up when lifting will already do that.

Eating 4500-6000 calories per day isn't easy. Drinking helps. I don't know how Phelps does it. He must poop a ton.

Lol ya if you don't take anything and are fine just continue that. Once you take this you will want more and worst is it puts your adrenal glands into overdrive so when your out it makes your gains drop like instantly.

Haha ya that's what I wonder too. Guys who are like 300lbs or athletes like him who eat so much must poop like 10x a day.

its not that difficult to eat up to 12,000 calories in heavy training as your brain will just want you to eat all the high calories stuff immediately. Plus, he would be eating throughout the day, rather than at set times.

Woah, wait? Creatine does NOT give you instant strength gains. All it does is basically help you to recover at a faster rate after the exercise and allows you to have more explosive power at the start of the exercise. It isn't an additional strength thing, it is more for power and speed. If you look at how the muscles gets their energy through aerobic, alactic and lactic production workout, you will see that creatine just increases the alactic effect before your body then switches to the aerobic or lactic acid production in the muscles.

Creatine does make you feel like you have a lot of power though.

Wouldn't being faster and more explosive equal strength gains? If I can do 6 reps at a certain weight now and take creatine which allows me to do 8 reps at the same weight. That's strength gains. Strength gains in the long run equals more muscle.

I've never tried Jackd3D,but i use a supplement that works great and gets me going after a longs days work.

http://www.nitricoxidesupplementsite.com/no-xplode-2

I haven't tried the new 2.0 one but I tried the original one before. It's pretty much the same as jack3d gives you a boost of energy to workout. There are many others I tried as well, but for me the best results were from jack3d.

 

[bergauk]

Alright.. I've gotta say it.

You're crazy.

The way you talk about this stuff sounds like you're addicted to it. That's NOT good.

You might want to go see a psychologist about this.

 

[F1 fan]

Alright.. I've gotta say it.

You're crazy.

The way you talk about this stuff sounds like you're addicted to it. That's NOT good.

You might want to go see a psychologist about this.

This. I would also like to say that the Canadian government banned it for a reason. You are aware of that and you should be aware of the repercussions of trying to import an illegal substance.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

its not that difficult to eat up to 12,000 calories in heavy training as your brain will just want you to eat all the high calories stuff immediately. Plus, he would be eating throughout the day, rather than at set times.

Try it. Tell me how it works out.

Wouldn't being faster and more explosive equal strength gains? If I can do 6 reps at a certain weight now and take creatine which allows me to do 8 reps at the same weight. That's strength gains. Strength gains in the long run equals more muscle.

In a way yes, but a bit more on the endurance side than strength. Strength is more your 1 rep max.

I haven't tried the new 2.0 one but I tried the original one before. It's pretty much the same as jack3d gives you a boost of energy to workout. There are many others I tried as well, but for me the best results were from jack3d.

What else did you try? C4?

 

[shmogt]

Alright.. I've gotta say it.

You're crazy.

The way you talk about this stuff sounds like you're addicted to it. That's NOT good.

You might want to go see a psychologist about this.

I haven't taken any sups for almost 1yr, but you gotta be in the gym game to know what I'm talking about.

In a way yes, but a bit more on the endurance side than strength. Strength is more your 1 rep max.

What else did you try? C4?

each extra rep calculates to something like 2% more in your 1rep max. As long as you can move more weight or move the same weight more times that is more strength. Creatine isn't instant tho like no guaranteed to be able to do this it just should make it easier. Been loading today and a bit yesterday so we will see if it has helped already during today's workout lol.

I tried super pump which worked really well but wasn't consistent enough, N.O. Xplode which I had one insanely awesome workout from but the rest where just ok, jack3d which works great, some new animal rage which was alright, and different variations of caffeine amounts and combos. As far as I know C4 is identical to jack3d meaning it is also banned. 1.M.R is the same as well which is banned. I haven't tried them before because they are more expensive for the same ingredients.

 

[Submerged]

With regards to Creatine seemingly providing a "strength" gain, I argue that it is more about providing extra explosive power for a bit longer, but doesn't increase the strength markedly.

You can have insane explosive power and little strength which can get things moving quickly and possibly overcome the actual need for proper strength that is required (think of people's bad technique on arm curls for example, not doing it slowly enough and keeping the technique) to lift a heavy weight in a controlled manner.

A (bad) car analogy is a car that has a high revving engine that is able to get started quickly but can run out of puff quickly.

 

[Jubby]

I must totally miss it, but... what's the point?

If you need a potentially dangerous (and banned) supplement, to which I thought you said you take little to none, why risk the potential legal trouble?

Here's the issue of the arrival that I'd worry about. If it does get seized, it's not like it just disappears. It's prima facie evidence if it's illegal to possess.

Reading up on this product, you should just gather the ingredients yourself, subtracting some of the more dangerous/banned ones and figure out what's safe and what works for you. A lot of it isn't very expensive (creatine, caffeine, AAKG).

The DMAA and Schizandrol A are the items that I'd be cautious about.

Is the risk of bodily harm or legal trouble worth some body bulk? Only you can answer that, but I'm sure you can tell what side of the fence I'm on.

 

[shmogt]

Well I already bought it so it doesn't really matter about other products or options. I only started this to kind of see what my chances are of it getting seized. Like who has ordered literally anything online and had it arrive with a note saying it has been checked by customs. I really don't think I will get in trouble for it as I know with real steroids they are illegal to buy or sell, but not use. So if you buy them on the Internet and they get seized there is no proof you actually paid for them or were going to sell them so you don't get in trouble. Plus they usually say or science experiments and get shipped through. I'm thinking it would be the same with this. People in hear said USPlabs sued and won the lawsuit which I'm guessing would make it legal again because it literally got banned for no reason.

Making my own pre workout I would find more dangerous. They have done all the science and test to make sure the doses are fine for human consumption however if it was me making it everything would just be a guess and using myself as the experiment to see what works. Like I said it got banned for no reason and I have yet to find a reason which I have searched for. Only speculation from randoms have I seen.

 

[Jubby]

What about just going without the pre-workout?

 

[shmogt]

What about just going without the pre-workout?

It takes so long to warm up. I have been doing that for a while I want to get back to the extreme again. It's winter in Canada now and it already takes so long to warm up due to the cold so I just like having something that make me feel who cares about everything else let's move some weight feeling.

 

[Bram Turismo]

How long have you been working out?

It seems trendy these days that people are resorting more to cheats to muscle their way in rather than the healthy way. Not bothering to cook a decent meal when weight lifting is your main goal is probably already a huge mistake you're making. There's no supplement out there that gives you an equal amount of beneficial nutrition as healthy food does. Supplements are nonsense and a money pit anyway.

 

[shmogt]

How long have you been working out?

It seems trendy these days that people are resorting more to cheats to muscle their way in rather than the healthy way. Not bothering to cook a decent meal when weight lifting is your main goal is probably already a huge mistake you're making. There's no supplement out there that gives you an equal amount of beneficial nutrition as healthy food does. Supplements are nonsense and a money pit anyway.

Read a bit up I answered all this.

 

[niky]

Take Ritalin. That'll focus your mind big time.

There's a reason Ritalin is prescription only. It's horribly addictive if used improperly.

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Guys, a reminder. We're still talking about this only because Jack3d is banned for sale for technical reasons and isn't an illicit substance (which I checked before allowing this thread to continue). The active ingredient in question here is about as dangerous as caffeine.

However, discussions of the use of drugs that are illegal because they're addictive and/or damaging to your health are still taboo.

 

[Grayfox]

Even if you do buy it you will never get it.

Ah Customs they ruin everything don't they.

And what was this Active ingredient?

 

[Azuremen]

Sounds like a lot of excuse making - "I can't go to the gym because I don't have time to properly warm up and there is all this pressure so I ordered drugs to make me more confident about looking good in front of a bunch of people that don't really matter."

Dem priorities.

 

[F1 fan]

So if you buy them on the Internet and they get seized there is no proof you actually paid for them or were going to sell them so you don't get in trouble.

There is proof. You paid for them by card. That can be traced. There will be details of the packages origin and maybe even an order number. All of which can be traced right back to you. Since it would also be addressed to you, there's a pretty clear indication of who ordered it in the first place.

Plus they usually say or science experiments and get shipped through.

And you know this to be an absolute fact? I'm guessing that packages that say "for science experiments" get opened. It looks suspicious. If they didn't get opened, just think of the packages that would roll in from Columbia.

Making my own pre workout I would find more dangerous.

This is true. Stick to regular options like raw eggs.

Like I said it got banned for no reason and I have yet to find a reason which I have searched for. Only speculation from randoms have I seen.

Have you specifically seen any definitive proof to back this up?

Sounds like a lot of excuse making - "I can't go to the gym because I don't have time to properly warm up and there is all this pressure so I ordered drugs to make me more confident about looking good in front of a bunch of people that don't really matter."

Dem priorities.

Exactly. shmogt, listen to what others are saying.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Lol everyone wants quick gains with minimum effort. Why wouldn't you?

Ask Bernie Madoff.

 

[Joey D]

Forgive me for not contributing to the drugs are bad, mmmkay discussion....

As someone who's dealt with all sorts of customs nightmares, I can pretty much assure you Canada hardly ever checks shipments coming into the country if they are under a nominal amount, typically about $100.

I'm sure the shipper labels it as something else on the customs documentation, there are many ways you can explain the contents of the package without actually saying what's in the package. I got quite good at this when I worked at the art gallery. They will probably list the product as a vitamin, powdered drink mix, or even exercise equipment. See what I mean?

The only thing I wouldn't even attempt to obscure on customs documents was any thing made from an animal, I mean it's pretty easy to tell if something is made of ivory and tortoise shell. However, Canadian customs was still very lax about the whole thing. I remember I shipped a $200,000 carved elephant tusk to Toronto for a client, it took several thousands of dollars, 3 licenses, phone calls to Switzerland, a lawyer and involved me driving to O'Hare airport two days before Xmas in an awful snow storm in a rather crappy Honda Odyssey. When it made it to Toronto guess what happened, it cleared customs the same day it arrived...this was something that was supposed to be tested by the Canadian authorities to make sure it was I said it was. All the headache was to clear US trade laws.

So if I can get a $200,000 piece of ivory into the country with no hassle from the Canadians, I'm sure you'll be pretty safe getting in some juicehead powder.

 

[shmogt]

Lol so many people complaining what I do. I go to the gym now and push weights hardcore. I have not taken any supplements in about 1yr. I am now going to start taking some an bought them already. Why would I listen to advice from people who do not bodybuild and think this is some crazy drug now just becuase it got banned. Stuff gets banned all the time that isn't bad. Like someone said the ingredient that got banned is the same as caffiene in crazyness. It's not a big deal and no one has died from it when taken in normal recommended doses. If you drink alcohol, smoke, or eat anything from a fast food place you have much bigger health concerns than I do. My diet is perfect consisting of only fresh foods which I cook all myself and I workout to stay in shape.

Joey that is good news lol. I know the chance it will get stopped is like 1 in a million since there is so many packages that get shipped everyday, but I am still a bit worried. I know you can't bring any weapons over the boarder and my friend bought a pellet gun in the US and drove it over the border no problem. It's just a risky thing if they happen to randomly check. I asked around and they said they only sell a max of 3 containers of jack3d at a time which I assume is to keep it under $100 and not be a huge box to keep customs off their case. So far I got a conformation that it has been sent out fromthe wear house and is in route. Once I get one saying its in Canada I will feel better.

 

[F1 fan]

Why would I listen to advice from people who do not bodybuild and think this is some crazy drug now just becuase it got banned.

Do whatever you want then.

 

[nick09]

I'm not saying that you will be caught but you could be caught importing an illegal good. You would just be asking for some legal trouble when you could be looking for an alternative product. Something can be taken off the shelf if they happen to find out a part of that good is bad. Have you looked into why the product is so bad for you?

 

[niky]

If you'd back-read, that was already discussed on page 2.

 

[shmogt]

Do whatever you want then.

I am lol. Like the intro says I have purchased it already. I never asked is this a good idea to take.

I'm not saying that you will be caught but you could be caught importing an illegal good. You would just be asking for some legal trouble when you could be looking for an alternative product. Something can be taken off the shelf if they happen to find out a part of that good is bad. Have you looked into why the product is so bad for you?

Well the original recipe for this was banned and the DEA raided their warehouses because it actually did contain prescription drugs in it that were not listed on the container. I never got to try that formula, but I heard it was even more amazing lol. Every supplement isn't tested by FDA so your always just hoping what is listed is actually in the product and will work as advertised. That's why it's mainly up to people to try and tell others if it works or not. As you can imagine these companies make a lot of money from people doing trial and error test. That's why I only take stuff that has a long track record and has proven itself over and over. Jack3d isn't bad for you at all it is only banned in Canada for unknown reasons. I haven't researched this myself, but people in this thread said that USPlabs the company who makes Jack3d sued and won the lawsuit saying it is not bad and should never of been banned. I 100% agree because there is no deaths from it and the product is loved by everyone so literally makes no sense to ban it. Obviously if you have some sort of health condition like high blood pressure or heart disease etc than you shouldn't be taking it.

 

[nick09]

I'll check that tomorrow. And yes I'm aware that some things are not checked by the FDA.

 

[Jubby]

I am lol. Like the intro says I have purchased it already. I never asked is this a good idea to take.


Well the original recipe for this was banned and the DEA raided their warehouses because it actually did contain prescription drugs in it that were not listed on the container. I never got to try that formula, but I heard it was even more amazing lol. Every supplement isn't tested by FDA so your always just hoping what is listed is actually in the product and will work as advertised. That's why it's mainly up to people to try and tell others if it works or not. As you can imagine these companies make a lot of money from people doing trial and error test. That's why I only take stuff that has a long track record and has proven itself over and over. Jack3d isn't bad for you at all it is only banned in Canada for unknown reasons. I haven't researched this myself, but people in this thread said that USPlabs the company who makes Jack3d sued and won the lawsuit saying it is not bad and should never of been banned. I 100% agree because there is no deaths from it and the product is loved by everyone so literally makes no sense to ban it. Obviously if you have some sort of health condition like high blood pressure or heart disease etc than you shouldn't be taking it.

Even the manufacturer admitted that one of the ingredients has caused a stroke (DMAA, I think). If that's what the manufacturer is sugar-coating, then I wonder what the truth is.

Enough of my soap box though, I'm sorry. You're right, you didn't ask whether your decision lacks ethics, you asked if you could get away with it. I was more concerned with your well-being... so I'll stop bothering you with that. I'll hope for the best for you. 👍

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

It seems trendy these days that people are resorting more to cheats to muscle their way in rather than the healthy way. Not bothering to cook a decent meal when weight lifting is your main goal is probably already a huge mistake you're making. There's no supplement out there that gives you an equal amount of beneficial nutrition as healthy food does. Supplements are nonsense and a money pit anyway.

I agree. Too many "bodybuilders" and casual gym goers are interested in what supplements to take and when rather than looking at long-term results through proper workout programming and eating habits.

As far as I know C4 is identical to jack3d meaning it is also banned.

I checked. DMAA is in the ingredients list.

It takes so long to warm up. I have been doing that for a while I want to get back to the extreme again. It's winter in Canada now and it already takes so long to warm up due to the cold so I just like having something that make me feel who cares about everything else let's move some weight feeling.

It takes so long to warm-up? Do you workout in a freezer? It doesn't take that long to warm-up.

This is true. Stick to regular options like raw eggs.

Don't do this. Cook your eggs to get the most protein out of them.

Lol so many people complaining what I do. I go to the gym now and push weights hardcore. I have not taken any supplements in about 1yr. I am now going to start taking some an bought them already. Why would I listen to advice from people who do not bodybuild and think this is some crazy drug now just becuase it got banned. Stuff gets banned all the time that isn't bad.

The problem isn't with the product. It's with you saying that you basically need it to workout and making it seem like you are willing to purchase it even if it's legal. That sounds like addiction. Even if it is banned wrongfully you are still willing to take the possible risk of losing money/fines/whatever.

 

[shmogt]

Even the manufacturer admitted that one of the ingredients has caused a stroke (DMAA, I think). If that's what the manufacturer is sugar-coating, then I wonder what the truth is.

Enough of my soap box though, I'm sorry. You're right, you didn't ask whether your decision lacks ethics, you asked if you could get away with it. I was more concerned with your well-being... so I'll stop bothering you with that. I'll hope for the best for you. 👍

Well cocaine is cut sometimes with the ingredient since it gives you that awake effect, so I heard some people take jack3d than do cocaine for an extra high. That's how you die. Others take it with alcohol or other pre workouts etc and they die. As long as you follow the directions and are in good health you should be fine. This is true with literally everything tho.

Lol ya I'm gonna take it no matter what people suggest here. It's my body I know what works for it so who cares what I do. Thanks people for looking out tho.

Also other guy who posted I basically do workout in a ice box. It's Canada at night time. It's like -10C here now. I wear a sweater with a hood to workout. A warm up also depends on how much weight you are lifting and what type of exercise your gonna do. If its something easy like rows, bicep curls, tricep push downs etc than no I wouldn't need it since the stress and weight is so low. I am doing heavy deadlifts, incline press', lunges etc. Deadlifts are around 300lbs so I need to work up to it. I need more than a couple warm up sets to be ready to lift that. I can't really explain how it works taking jack3d it's sort of like it flexes every muscle for you. Having to flex every muscle in your body to do a deadlift is very hard and anything to help I'm gonna do.

 

[F1 fan]

Having to flex every muscle in your body to do a deadlift is very hard and anything to help I'm gonna do.

I have some news for you. Lots of things are hard. That doesn't make this right. And fyi, that sentence sounds suspiciously like the words of someone who will end up resorting to steroids. If you want something, you have to work for it. Shortcuts like this, are never a good idea.

 

[shmogt]

I have some news for you. Lots of things are hard. That doesn't make this right. And fyi, that sentence sounds suspiciously like the words of someone who will end up resorting to steroids. If you want something, you have to work for it. Shortcuts like this, are never a good idea.

So what if I do steroids one day. Steroids are literally the best invention ever. Countless lives have been saved because of them. Right now I'm definitely not going to do them as they cost a lot of money and I don't have time to go to the doc all the time to make sure everything is going well. This product doesn't do anything but focus you and give you a little pep it's not ever going to give you muscle you have to work super hard for it. Even people on steroids had to work very hard to get those muscles. I personally will pay for the steroids and all your food for five years and I promise you will never get as big as a pro bodybuilder. It is insane dedication to get those size muscles and a lot of great genetics.

 

[Azuremen]

I think you are missing the point here - plenty of people work out just fine and bulk up without resorting to "pump up" drugs before their workout. Warming up isn't hard and doesn't take long.

You honestly just sound incredibly lazy and are looking for shortcuts with everything. The way you word your posts and don't take the time to learn "know" from "no," among other things, certainly works to reinforce this. If you feel you have to perform in front of other people for your work out, you honestly have some other issues you need to get out of the way.