I was toying around in an R32 Skyline GT-R...

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...and it hit me; The rear wheels turn very slightly when you steer the car, just like the real Skyline and it's ATTESSA/ Super Hicas system.

It was a bone stock car, mind you, so perhaps it was just the suspension roll playing tricks on my mind, but it looked very real. Guess they really took everything into account.
 
Hmmm. Me neither. Which way did they turn? With or against the front wheels?
 
They seemed to turn with the front wheels, like the real thing. They're hard to notice, though, because they don't rotate a lot in real life.

Perhaps it was my mind playing tricks on me...
 
Originally posted by Famine
Hmmm. Me neither. Which way did they turn? With or against the front wheels?
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well in real life they would turn with the front wheels... to give a smaller radius and thus faster and more agile turning...
 
and by with the front wheels i mean that the front go to the right the rear go to the left to easily follow a circle's circumfrence
front = / /
then
rear = \ \
 
That's what I'd call "against" the front wheels :D

I know that's what the Skylines do in real life - I was just testing PunkRock so he could tell whether it was on old Jedi Mind Trick or not :D

The 3000GT/GTO has passive rear wheel steering, meaning the rears turn the same way as the fronts...
Front: \ \
Rear: \ \

As opposed to the Skyline/300ZX which has active rear steering:
Front: \ \
Rear: / /

Strange but true...
 
the vr4 may infact turn in that fashion in the game... cause i was practicing today for some other post to see if i could get hte time some other guy got... and i noticed that the car was particularly good at hairpins... the one at the end of midfeild... i kind of steered it sideways at the exit of the turn for a bit adn the car naturraly pulled out of hte turn with wither 534 or 1000 hp and with relative ease compared to the skylines... this could only be due to the activation of such a system... where no countersteering would be nec due to the car already being in erfect position without it.... i dont think its due to the powerful 4wd just cause it was weird but welcomed... another proof of this is that if you slightly countersteer and dont have faith in the vr4 it will sharply understeer even in the middle of drift even if countersteer is slight... i am sure my setting must have acentuated this... but that would easily be explained by all wheels countersteering... mistu did a very interesting thing with this car....

thanks for the info famine
 
Well... I just got up, so it kinda made sense. I'll read it again when I've had a couple of beers this evening... :D
 
Originally posted by bengee
the vr4 may infact turn in that fashion in the game... cause i was practicing today for some other post to see if i could get hte time some other guy got... and i noticed that the car was particularly good at hairpins... the one at the end of midfeild... i kind of steered it sideways at the exit of the turn for a bit adn the car naturraly pulled out of hte turn with wither 534 or 1000 hp and with relative ease compared to the skylines... this could only be due to the activation of such a system... where no countersteering would be nec due to the car already being in erfect position without it.... i dont think its due to the powerful 4wd just cause it was weird but welcomed... another proof of this is that if you slightly countersteer and dont have faith in the vr4 it will sharply understeer even in the middle of drift even if countersteer is slight... i am sure my setting must have acentuated this... but that would easily be explained by all wheels countersteering... mistu did a very interesting thing with this car....

thanks for the info famine
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If such a system was taken into account in the game, I'm pretty sure it would had been mentioned at the dealership though...
kideng
 
yeah.... hmmmm..... what does the dealership say bout he vr4... just that it is a showcase for mitsu technologie... kind off a hint but not specific enough to bring merit... but the car does feel different than a soobie or evo... probably cause of its weight
 
These aren't the droids you're looking for...
kideng

Funny, kideng! I never noticed any car in the game turn the back wheels either. That's neat that the Skyline does!
 
Originally posted by Famine
That's what I'd call "against" the front wheels :D

I know that's what the Skylines do in real life - I was just testing PunkRock so he could tell whether it was on old Jedi Mind Trick or not :D

The 3000GT/GTO has passive rear wheel steering, meaning the rears turn the same way as the fronts...
Front: \ \
Rear: \ \

As opposed to the Skyline/300ZX which has active rear steering:
Front: \ \
Rear: / /

Strange but true...
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Sortof Like the new Quardrasteer On Trucks now? :)
 
I wouldn't call it "new" so much...

I was following an articulated crane on the A11 in 1998 round a roundabout - the sign on the back said "Caution! Rear Axles Steer!". Sure enough, both rear axles clearly steered right in front of me. They went passive like the GTO though, rather than the active Skyline version...
 
Wow, that sounds good. I've never noticed anything like that before though.
 
Actually, most 4WS systems do both, I believe, depending on the velocity of the car.

At low speeds, the rear wheels turn opposite the fronts, like a hook-and-ladder truck's, to tighten the turning radius on slow tight maneuvers.

Then, at high speed, the rear wheels turn with the fronts, in order to promote stability and ease the car around shallower, hig-velocity curves.
 
Knowing my luck, the speed at which I crash would be the switchover speed...

Approach the corner too fast, turn the wheels...

Front: \ \
Rear: / \

Bang... :D
 
Originally posted by Famine


The 3000GT/GTO has passive rear wheel steering, meaning the rears turn the same way as the fronts...
Front: \ \
Rear: \ \

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How does this improve steering? Doesn't seem to make sense.
 
well they arent at the same angle... like the picture shows... and i am sure the torque given to each wheel is regulated by computer to yeild a faster cornering ability... basically rather than leaving the back behind... the rear wheels turn as well and bring the back along... so to speak... because the car is heavy... this helps alot
 
It assumes that at high speed, you are not making big-lock maneuvers, but more likely taking gentle bends or changing lanes. So it steers that way in order to facilitate getting the car to the desired location, while minimizing the amount of rotation required and lessening the danger of oversteer.
 
Originally posted by milefile
How does this improve steering? Doesn't seem to make sense.
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u see whats your doing is moving the backend around like u steer the car with the front wheels... it turns the front of the car and it goes along in that direction... this way your doing that plus moving the backend turns sharper

make sense??? too bad
 
Lol..The only car they must have done that with was the Skyline..Because the 300ZX doesn't do it and neither does the GTO (VR-4) And they both have AWS
 
y would they have done it with a 32.... that is the most low tech of all the skylines... i would have understanded a 33 or 34 being seen doing this... shinez its not that noticeable... and the 300zx is light so its effects wouldnt be as pronounced.... at least i would think they wouldnt
 
bengee..YEs it would..Because it's the only in the group that is strictly RWD...Meaning there would more than likely be hella under/over steer..I forget which was which..Back end would swing out
 

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