Originally posted by piesupreme
yes, you prove a valid point there. and i'll follow it on, most of the stuff in the matrix could never happen anyway. for example.
- when the little kid says "there is no spoon", basically he claims that the spoon is just a program in the matrix, which oyu can bend. even so, would it be possible to just stare at it, and feel the spoon, or know the exact location of the spoon in the metaphorical hard drive of the matrix? nope. the only way you could bend that spoon is if you were in cyphers chair in the nebudchanezzar (sp?), and hat's where you could change anything in the matrix you want. not simply by staring at a spoon.
"There is no spoon" ... what is happening in the
movie is the special children (and Neo) have the ability to alter the programs in real time. They can make a spoon appear to bend because they are changing the output of the computer. Being ~IN~ the Matrix, they are able to send and recieve data with the Matrix. The Matrix is inputting data into their brain, and the brain is where you 'see and feel', therefore they can see and feel the illusion of a spoon.
Think of it as a network game of Quake, with force feedback directly attached to your nervous system. When they realize it's just an illusion and that they have the 'power' to control the program generating the illusion, they can change the illusion. According to the
story, this is very possible. So I have to dissagree with you on this point
- when a person gets pulled out of the matrix for the first time, they appear to be similar to an albino. no hair, no skin pigment, nothing. but this would not happen. a human would still grow hair, because that's the way a human grows. simply because they're in a tank, and their energy is being filtered, does not mean that you don't grow hair.
They claim that the body still grows even if the brain isn't controlling the muscles. This is just stupid. If the muscles are not being used, they do not grow. Your body (bones and organs) may continue to expand, but they do not become strong enough to support themselves. The heart will not be strong enough to push blood all the way through the legs. An example ... people that have a long stay in a POW camp ... they stop using their muscles so their muscles deteriorate. People who spend their life in a wheel chair. When they woke him up and he imidiately pulled that thing out of his throte, I thought, "whoa ... what a crappy existance", but when they started talking about muscle distrophy, and his eyes, "why do my eyes/muscles hurt?", "you've never used them before" ... well he never used them, they wouldn't exist. And yes, hair would still grow. And OH MY GOSH you'd be one pruney little bastard if you spent the first 25+ years of your life in a bathtub. And your butt would be so brused up too! Man that'd suck! You're right, I felt the need to elaborate.
- it is virtually impossible for the machines to do this next thing. when neo is in the matrix, he has RSI (residual self image). now, for some strange reason, he looks exactly the same when he comes out. this is just so somplicated to do, itwouldn't be possible for the machines to monitor the appearance of the human in the real world, and transform this image to RSI in the matrix.
The Matrix is just processing what his brain is sending to it. I think I know what you're saying, but I'll try to explain better.
When he is born, and placed in the tub, he does not know what he looks like. He would not know what he looks like until he looks in a mirror. If he 'looks in a mirror' in the Matrix before he looks in a mirror in the real world, there will never be an image of himself in his brain. If it's not in his brain, the Matrix can not know what he looks like. And if you saw yourself in that pink slime ... you wouldn't be thinking, "hey, I look like Keanu Reeves! I'm a sexy dude!"
BUT - when he's on Morphius's ship and they put him back in the Matrix ... then he has a residual self image. Before that though, he and everyone else in the Matrix are being told what they look like. So I guess I agree with you here about the initial bit about the Matrix, but when they are injected back into the Matrix, there would be an RSI.
- for the human body to live, you need food, sunlight, sleep, movement, water, and most importantly, heat. now if the machines take away heat, for them, they would not leave enough heat int he human body for a human to live.
They are not necisarily taking the heat from them. They are using the excess heat that the humans are outputting. I believe it was 15btu, which is about the same as a cigarette lighter, from what I can remember.
And you are correct. But the machines are providing nurishment for the body, and the brain thinks it is receiving the rest because the Matrix is telling it that it is in a 'normal' world. The brain would be content to stay in the Matrix, the body would whither away. So ... it's possible, but the body would cease to exist, and therefore stop producing enough heat for the machines to be effective.
- no matter how ingenius the machines were, it is impossible for a human to have their mind controlled. in theory, a human in the matrix is still thinking, and they can move their body. the brain would not be changed to think that they have no body, so they would still try to move their body whilst in the real world. although quite a clever concept to put our minds somewhere that doesn't exist, it just would not be possible, in theory or in practical.
The brain does not know that it is in the Matrix. It does not know that it is being controlled. It does not care. All it knows is that it is living a happy life in a happy city with a bunch of happy people. So, I dissagree on this point.
- if the machines became smarter thasn humans, as LM said, they would find a better, more reliable power source than humans. they coudl leave the planet (they were clever enough to build ships), they could've used the heat form the center of the earth, etc.
They made hovercrafts that hover based on some kind of blue light! I'm pretty sure they can get their butts into space ... and I bet they can even do some kind of warp technology to get around the galaxy with. Or better yet, they could just clean up the atmostphere. I totally agree with you ... because you were agreeing with my point (:
- surely the machines would have caught on to the fact that humans were living in the centre of the earth. if they knew that there was some sort of life in zion, the machines would easily be able to break into the zion mainframe and therefore control the earth fully. they're cleverer than us, for god's sake. i think they would be able to hack into a mainframe.
Yeah, I mean ... how hard could it be to find a bunch of humans living deep inside the earth. How hard could it be to hack a mainframe ... oooooooooohh gotta get Morphius's "pass code". I bet it was '1234' ... they just never tried it. I totally agree with you on this one.
- if neo was surely the one, then surely the machines would know this, and pulled him out of the matrix long before morpheus did?
'Mr. Anderson' (pre-Neo) didn't know he was The One. He never gave the Matrix a hint toward it, so they would have no reason to do anything about it. But they were monitoring his activities because Morphius was communicating with him. They even bugged him. If they had only known how powerful he would become ...
- the machines should have been clever enough to discover perpetual motion (it's a bit far off, but it could've happened)
Yeah, or at least something better than 'human heat'. I mean .... give me a break.
later.
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