I'm about to throw my PS3 out of the window. 700pp? HOW?!!?

[blademask]

Ford Gt LM II blah blah...

and the art mortison is still able to out ACCELERATE me on the fuji straight, along with the rest of the cars...

I can get 11th in the world on this track time trial.. but I cant get in front of the s2000?!?!?!!?

COme on...

What am I doing wrong? Which car is everyone using to place/pass these? I'm frustrated beyond everything...

The cars IN the actual race cant race in them until you knock down the performance to 700. I've tried to just buy the fast cars hoping that I could compete.. but I'm battling the Art Mortison and the S2000 for 15th the entire time.

OFFLINE S-License

Professional Physics
everything off..

No custom tune, just took down power/weight. To get 700pp

 

[BB-ANDY-]

Maybe turn ASM or TC of.

 

[blademask]

PRO settings w/everything off. I saw TC is usually on with the tuned cars...

I just dont get it. What cars could possibly compete with the ones in the 700pp race?

You don't have a fighting chance it seems. maybe I'll have to dumb it down to standard like everyone else. A bit too difficult. I just don't think my personal tuning abilities can get me out of this one... because its just the sheer out acceleration that i'm having trouble with.

 

[Venari]

But if you do throw your PS3 out the window, box it and wrap it first, and don't forget my address and postage.

 

[Danny]

But if you do throw your PS3 out the window, box it and wrap it first, and don't forget my address and postage.

And ideally, throw it into a post office.

 

[novcze]

you talking about offline or online?

 

[Chronos]

blademask, are you talking about doing S-10 Suzuka event?

 

[blademask]

I'm talking about the 700pp races.. I cant seem to trump any of them.

 

[Jay]

I assume we are talking about Offline 700pp races, for them I just used the Mines Skyline GTR and adjusted the car to meet 700pp and left it like that (couldn't be bothered at the time with fine adjustments). During the race I pushed hard and won each race.

 

[wrcsti]

Try buying a car that is under 700pp that handles good and then tune the power up.

 

[daan]

But if you do throw your PS3 out the window, box it and wrap it first, and don't forget my address and postage.

You could at least pay his postage, you big meanie.

There's a bit of Scotsman in you, isn't there?

 

[Chronos]

OK you edited your original post.

Like you said, most people have dropped down to standard to complete all S-Class events. I think S-7 is a possibility, but S-10 would be tough for even fast players on pro.

 

[Oliver DePlace]

Try this on for size.

The power/weight is for online, you can change to suit, and the tires are stickier (nothing can be done for that).
It'll be easier if you turn on ABS.

The car is capable, one of few.

Also, read this post.

 

[Mr P]

There's a bit of Scotsman in you, isn't there?

Damn! ... I was tempted to breach the AUP with that

Luckily I have a cold and no sense of humour at the moment

 

[Venari]

You could at least pay his postage, you big meanie.

There's a bit of Scotsman in you, isn't there?

No comment.

Damn! ... I was tempted to breach the AUP with that

Luckily I have a cold and no sense of humour at the moment

You too? (The cold, not the sense of humour. )

 

[unimental]

This is all part of the fun of having the AI always running on standard physics, even if you choose pro.

 

[Mr P]

You too? (The cold, not the sense of humour. )

Yep loaded with it and I'm dying I feel a bit like this sketch below haha

 

[thugbear2005]

Try this on for size.

The power/weight is for online, you can change to suit, and the tires are stickier (nothing can be done for that).
It'll be easier if you turn on ABS.

The car is capable, one of few.

Also, read this post.

+1

The tuned lotus 111r handles like a beast. i was able to get bronze with it on both s-7 & s-10.

 

[Vagabond]

Gold on both with the Evo X/Tuned. Out handles just about everything.

 

[pziswack]

For the 700pp races, i used the s2000 and the tuned viper. Usually, the AI is not that great in the handling department, so you can sacrifice some downforce for some horsepower. Since you have to put down your power anyway, make sure you tweak your gear ratios to make the best use of your power. Also, what I noticed is that the AI is always in groups throughout the race, so during the corners, try your best to get through one group and approach another group before you head onto the mainstraight so you can use them as a slipstream and out brake them by the first corner. ALWAYS make sure you have someone to slipstream on a straightaway or you will lose a lot of time! It worked for me and hopefully that will help! Good Luck!

 

[Oliver DePlace]

Gold on both with the Evo X/Tuned. Out handles just about everything.

So, you've now done them on Pro? If so, I'll take a look at that Evo.
Edit: I've tried that Evo (with favorable results). 👍

Haha, are you kidding? The 700PP races are impossible in Pro mode (at least for me at this stage) and the Ferrari F430 challenge at Daytona Road ciruit is impossible even in Standard mode... I can only manage Silver in that on Standard and I'm still 0.2 - 0.5 secs behind 1st.

But we have the usual GT scenario in these races... you start in last place, no qualifying, while you chase down 1 car that is stupidly fast with all the others getting in the way at every apex. Online racing is more fun to make money as long as you don't get punted.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3037171&postcount=12

[rambling]
This forum should have been split into Pro and Standard (they're like two different games).
It gets confusing when discussing timing and setups.

PD should make AI for each physics mode (ref.unimental) and include qualifying. They are so close to making a good offline racer. [/rambling]

 

[aphextwin]

PRO settings w/everything off. I saw TC is usually on with the tuned cars...

I just dont get it. What cars could possibly compete with the ones in the 700pp race?

You don't have a fighting chance it seems. maybe I'll have to dumb it down to standard like everyone else. A bit too difficult. I just don't think my personal tuning abilities can get me out of this one... because its just the sheer out acceleration that i'm having trouble with.

I left Pro physics at the beginning of S-class, because the races just aren't fairly balanced. You get out-accelerated because the opponent cars aren't riding 700PP, they're riding stock (~740PP for the GT LM and Amuse S2000 I think). Ok, I can't prove this, but I'd almost certainly put money on it before asking a dev.

The only way to win the 700PP class events is to make up time in the corners, and pro physics makes that just that much harder. Not to mention that since there's no qualifying lap, you always start in last place. The physics engine may be better, but the realism of the racing experience has actually gotten worse it seems.

My personal feelings are that PD should have worked harder on improving AI driving, rather than simply giving them cars that outpower you. Wait a minute.. that sounds vaguely familiar to previous GTs... only the wrong way around. S class is indeed too difficult, and it sucks that people have to resort once again to dirty driving and dumbed down physics to pull off gold medals..

 

[youaredie]

I agree that the AI uses stock car settings or even boosted settings on the S classes. I wanted to use the lotus elise/tuned on S-1 HSR, not the 111R, and I found that with everything dialed down, the car would still not be rated below 600pp, while the AI could use this car in the race. Really too difficult to race like that, just finding a suitable car then tuning till your hair falls off.

 

[Krayzi]

+1 for this thread.

After 20 or 30 goes at S-7, with dumbed-down physics, my best result was 8th at +30 seconds behind 1st, with a tuned 111R. I had best results when I tuned for max HP, but as others have noted, I was still getting out-accelerated on the straights, even with a higher exit speed AND slipstreaming--opponents just power right out of the slipstream. Similar results for S-10. I have cleared all other events... 5 G, 2 S, 1 B on the other S class events, 3 or 4 of those with Pro physics. I take that to mean that I don't completely stink. So these last two events (S-7 and S-10) have been a wee bit frustrating, to say the least.

I have also tried the Ford GT as well with added HP and downforce, and ran with about the same time. Acceleration was better, cornering was worse. I tried a few other cars as well, with even less exciting results.

I have spent a lot of time on Fuji lately, and was running pretty solid laps today. I could still probably pick up a couple seconds per lap on the esses, as I tend to swing a bit wide in the last section, and maybe shave a few tenths off here and there, but 30 seconds in 5 laps is a LOT of time to make up on S-7.

After reading this thread, there doesn't seem to be a clear winner in terms of car and setup, and every car I tuned to 700pp today got me around the track in about the same time.

The only thing I haven't tried is throwing handling out the window and building a beast of a fast car. Maybe with the aids turned up I could still out corner the clumsy AI...

 

[Vagabond]

So, you've now done them on Pro? If so, I'll take a look at that Evo.


https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3037171&postcount=12

[rambling]
This forum should have been split into Pro and Standard (they're like two different games).
It gets confusing when discussing timing and setups.

PD should make AI for each physics mode (ref. Mr.P) and include qualifying. They are so close to making a good offline racer. [/rambling]

Good quote... after saying that, I obssessively returned to the offending events to repair my ego. I'd refused to use the 4wds until that point but sometimes you've got to eat your words...

 

[Mr P]

[rambling]
This forum should have been split into Pro and Standard (they're like two different games).
It gets confusing when discussing timing and setups.

PD should make AI for each physics mode (ref. Mr.P) and include qualifying. They are so close to making a good offline racer. [/rambling]

I'm not sure if you are trying to get me to take offence to this post? But I do! If you think I can only race standard mode then you are mistaken

Tyre type is more of an issue for me .. but I can drive Pro mode, so no need to suggest a section for inadequate racers with me as the baseline 👎

 

[Biggles]

It seems like PD got the balance (at least for Pro physics) wrong for some of the mission/races in GT5P. Has anyone actually Golded (or even cleared) S class entirely with Pro physics?

I believe this all comes down to the basically arcadey nature of the traditional GT game-play structure. Please see:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=106165

 

[skazz]

Just for the record, I found it no problem to get bronze in standard physics mode on S-07 and S-10 with the tuned Ford GT. I used a setup I found on the setup forum here and just altered the power/weight to hit 700PP with the tyre restrictions of those two races (R2 iirc).

Getting silver or gold means learning the AI moves (which don't seem to be random) and figuring out where to optimize your overtaking, and zero penalties. Or a better car

 

[aphextwin]

Just for the record, I found it no problem to get bronze in standard physics mode on S-07 and S-10 with the tuned Ford GT. I used a setup I found on the setup forum here and just altered the power/weight to hit 700PP with the tyre restrictions of those two races (R2 iirc).

Getting silver or gold means learning the AI moves (which don't seem to be random) and figuring out where to optimize your overtaking, and zero penalties. Or a better car

With the Ford GT test car, you can have 1st place before the end of the 3rd lap in S-10. I did not find this race difficult in the slightest, using standard physics and a grid lineup where there were no Amuse's or GT test cars in first or second.

S-7 was another story however. I came very close with the GT test car and a heavily biased grid lineup (first amuse was in 5th). I ended up golding it using the R35 GTR '07. The GT test car was too wild around the large sweepers, and I found the GTR's better handling made up for its lack of speed.

 

[Chronos]

Just for the record, I found it no problem to get bronze in standard physics mode on S-07 and S-10 with the tuned Ford GT. I used a setup I found on the setup forum here and just altered the power/weight to hit 700PP with the tyre restrictions of those two races (R2 iirc).

Getting silver or gold means learning the AI moves (which don't seem to be random) and figuring out where to optimize your overtaking, and zero penalties. Or a better car

Yep, getting Gold in all S-Class on Standard is easy, I think most people have done it already. It's getting Gold on Pro physics for every S-Class thats tough as some avoid Standard altogether, then make a thread on about pro setting and then comes the confusion with others (not you) posting about doing it on Standard.