I'm issuing a Request/Challenge to the GTPlanet community!

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I'm issuing a Request/Challenge to the GTPlanet community!

This is a companion thread to and arose from: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...l-aids-made-me-a-better-faster-driver.296620/

The TL-DR of the above link is this: I became a better driver through turning off all the aids and relying on my own skill and by learning the limits of the cars and tracks more intimately.

The TL-DR for this? Skip to The Bottom.

So a lot of questions and points have already arisen from that discussion. So that's why I'm issuing this Request/Challenge. Take it as a request if politely asking is the way to get you to do it. OR. Take it as a challenge if that's what motivates you. After all it is both in one.


The Request/Challenge?


If you are a GT player that uses the driving line, whether or not you follow it religiously or only use it as a reference, if it's on then turn it off and play as normal for an entire week. This means that you will not give in to temptation and turn it back on for “just this one race” of anything of the sort. Turn it off, leave it off, play the game as you normally would for seven days in a row. That's the big and the small of it.

If you want to participate I request that you reply to this thread with your acceptance and state the date that you're going to start the week of participation. At the end of the week I ask that you return to this thread and answer the questions below as well as give an honest view of your experience and what you got out of it.

What will you get out of this? My gratitude, the gratitude of others participating, and the gratitude of future readers trying to decide whether or not turning off the line is something they want to do. What do I think you will get out of it? I think you'll gain a greater feel for the cars and tracks you drive and that will translate in to you being a better driver.

Will this be frustrating, hard, and probably piss you off? Do I expect you to be cursing my name for the first couple of days? Yes on both accounts. I'm not going to candy coat this for you. IT WILL SUCK at first. By accepting this challenge (notice I'm dropping all pretense to this being a request now ;P) you are accepting this fact and putting forth to myself and everyone else that you have the will power and are honorable enough to follow the rules. I suggest driving very slow at first and gradually building speed as you adjust.


The Bottom:


The Challenge:

If you drive with the Driving Line on:

1: Turn it OFF

2: LEAVE IT OFF ALL OF THE TIME, SUCCESSFULLY RESISTING EVERY URGE TO TURN IT BACK ON, NO MATTER WHAT! (sorry for the caps but I really have to pound this point home. Without this stipulation anything we learn from this will be skewed, wholly inaccurate, and unhelpful.)

3: Play the game as you normally would for at least a full week

4: After the week, come back and answer the questions below and tell us about your experience.


Questions: (If you want copy and paste the text between the --- lines and then answer them in your reply)

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1: How difficult did you find this challenge?


2: How many hours did you drive (approximately) during this challenge?


3: Do you feel that you now know the course(s) you drove better than you did before?


4: Do you feel that you now know the car(s) you drove better than you did before?


5: Have you gotten faster?


6: So, DID you curse my name? :)


And finally: What was your experience and how do you feel about the challenge?

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Let the FRUNSTRATION (that's Fun + Frustration, btw) BEGIN!

Sark
 
Let me just say this. Funstration sounds WAYYYYY too much like mentration.

Men + Frustration= menstration

Eh, close enough :lol:

Believe me, if you're a Driving Line user, this challenge may be frustrating enough to bring about spontaneous bleeding from one or more orifices. :)

Sark
 
Believe me, if you're a Driving Line user, this challenge may be frustrating enough to bring about spontaneous bleeding from one or more orifices. :)

Sark

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Gotta say, I didn't expect that...

Anyways, I've never really been a driving line user, so me being here is a little pointless. :D
 
I'll try when this damn cold passes. I'm pretty fast I think, usually in the top 20 in my country and around 150-200 internationally, but because I'm lazy I have been using the line for too long. I've been thinking to get rid of it for a long time :)
 
The only time I ever use the driving line is when I can't see the track. Otherwise, all aids off.
 
Never used driving line in any GT games. If I can't see where I'm going, I turn my TV brightness to full, problem solved :P
 
The driving line lies. Especially in Surtees, it's entirely wrong. I've never been passed in Surtees Bend.
 
Im a ds3 user but i accept the challenge,in a week i'll share my results!
 
Well I turned the line off earlier today and had a few races at Willow springs, While I was less consistent at first being a new track and all I did best my lap record in that car by 1/2 a second on the first race. I also paid more attention to the speed in the corners, the entry and exit points, after 3 races I had shaved a full second off my best lap time for that car and became more consistent in turning faster laps.

So thanks for prompting me to finally do this in GT6, I had gotten lazy with the line available, I expect I will only get faster with a bit more time on the track
 
I've always used the Racing Line, because I always have trouble remembering/figuring out the braking points. I like to see how much I have to brake and decide how much later I should brake. I would definitely try and not use the Racing Line next time I'm on.
 
The single biggest advice if anyone desires to get faster is to turn off the driving line. Even those that think its a good break marker online... It's not.

A week without the line will make you at minimum 2-3 seconds faster no matter your skill level.

So in essence I'm doubling down on this thread as it's more helpful than anyone who uses the line could imagine.

Learn the track, not the line... The line is actually wrong anyway.
 
I've always used the Racing Line, because I always have trouble remembering/figuring out the braking points. I like to see how much I have to brake and decide how much later I should brake. I would definitely try and not use the Racing Line next time I'm on.
Use objects around the track, you'll notice distance boards and that there is usually an object at most corner apexes...

When you learn to use these objects you'll learn the sweet science of slip angles... The line actually keeps you from learning this due to how our brains interpret a line...
 
Well, the driver's line is off in 2P Split Screen mode, so that would be simple.

Okay, add me up via my PSN and let's give it our all! But only when I'm not at work...
 
I'll have a crack at this.

I turned SRF off for the first time when I started GT6. (I'd tried it in GT5 before but just couldn't drive anything fast)

I will start tonight from 6pm GMT on January 9th.
 
Ive only ever used the driving line for night races (and even then, sporadically) so this doesnt apply to me.

HOWEVER....

Within a week of getting GT6 i turned off something that i have relied on right from GT1 era.... The suggested gear indicator. I came to realise that i no longer put any effort into learning braking points, and just braked a half second after the number started flashing until it stopped. Turned it off, re-learnt 90% of the tracks, and am now substantially faster on most of them. And the ones im not, i am at least rediscovering the enjoyment of the game rather than sailing through on autopilot.
 
The single biggest advice if anyone desires to get faster is to turn off the driving line. Even those that think its a good break marker online... It's not.

A week without the line will make you at minimum 2-3 seconds faster no matter your skill level.

So in essence I'm doubling down on this thread as it's more helpful than anyone who uses the line could imagine.

Learn the track, not the line... The line is actually wrong anyway.

The line is wrong. The braking points are way off so I decided 2 weeks ago to turn it off. I can say I am faster and am enjoying the game much more without the line. Just my 2 cents.
 
I don't really understand why people use the driving line?

1.It shatters any illusions of realism and negates the hard work PD put into the graphics by having a horrible bright blue and red line all the way around.

2.It is highly inaccurate on many tracks.

3.You will never learn the proper line and braking points of the track.

4.You will be slower.

All of us had to learn these new tracks, Ascari is especially hard but just over one month later myself and i bet most guys who don't use driving line know the tracks like the back of our hands.
 
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Hi there Guys,

I´m a long no aids user, so no point, I just like to leave this here, as it might help some of you.



There´s a few more videos from the same guy with very helpful tips....
 
I didn't realise that as many people use it as they do. I have never used it. First thing I have always done when buying a new GT game was to turn it off as I want things to look realistic. Thing is though its not needed, there is always the tyre marks on the track if you really need to follow something
 
Game's more enjoyable with the DL switched off, but as long as you adapt to where it varies from the optimum, using it is not a barrier to being quick.

I used it all the time in GT5P, competing at the very highest level, and when I stopped using it when GT5 launched I gained no extra speed.

For people who only play the game occasionally, and don't get the opportunity to ingrain the brake points and lines, it's a great addition to the game.

Comments like this are just silly... 2-3s lap time gain just because you switch off the DL :lol:

A week without the line will make you at minimum 2-3 seconds faster no matter your skill level.
 
Comments like this are just silly... 2-3s lap time gain just because you switch off the DL :lol:

I dont know man... the DL is so far off the optimum braking and accelerating points, not to mention the racing line, that i think if someone actually was doing exactly as it advised they could certainly gain that amount of time.

That someone COULD follow the suggestions of the driving line so rigidly without realising they would be faster if they deviated from it though... thats a whole different problem! :lol:
 
@Stotty I'm surprised you used driving line in GT5P, there weren't many tracks on that game and surely the suggested gear indicator is more than enough to use. There is usually a lot of references on track to give an idea when to brake.

I always found driving line frustrating to use, it is very off putting. Adds better sense of speed though with them blue lines. I think using driving line, I will probably be slower on a completely new track to me. I like this quote of Lewis Hamilton, "You know how in 'The Matrix,' he can see the matrix? When I'm driving, I see the lines." I personally get the same impression myself when driving.
 
I dont know man... the DL is so far off the optimum braking and accelerating points, not to mention the racing line, that i think if someone actually was doing exactly as it advised they could certainly gain that amount of time.

That someone COULD follow the suggestions of the driving line so rigidly without realising they would be faster if they deviated from it though... thats a whole different problem! :lol:

Which is why you don't follow it blindly... you adapt. If you notice the braking suggestion is a bit early for a particular corner you brake slightly later next time round etc. Why would you just follow it and make the same errors lap after lap?

You use the driving simply as a reference point, just like other drivers would use track side markers.

@Stotty I'm surprised you used driving line in GT5P, there weren't many tracks on that game and surely the suggested gear indicator is more than enough to use. There is usually a lot of references on track to give an idea when to brake.

I always found driving line frustrating to use, it is very off putting. Adds better sense of speed though with them blue lines. I think using driving line, I will probably be slower on a completely new track to me. I like this quote of Lewis Hamilton, "You know how in 'The Matrix,' he can see the matrix? When I'm driving, I see the lines." I personally get the same impression myself when driving.

I've never used the suggested gear indicator. I used the DL from the start of GT5P (back when I was using a DS3 and a lot slower), I was accustomed to it and found switching it off tough - it was habitual and I wasn't prepared to take a drop in speed/competitiveness whilst adjusting to other reference points.

When I started GT5 I never bothered switching it on and just learnt the braking points as I played through career mode.

Is the game more enjoyable without it? Probably. However, I didn't gain any speed between GT5P and GT5... my pace and level vs other drivers remained consistent... so saying you'll suddenly gain a load of pace just because you switch it off is simply not true.
 
Personally DL is annoying ( distracting ), I turned it off when I started playing any new racing game that has it on by default, just like all other aids.
 
I may try, although that means I'll have to learn the tracks :D
 
I dont understand how some people play with the driving line on. Its the most distracting thing ever.
I always played all the GT's without it and it was as simple as learning the racing line by yourself and learning the tracks by yourself, which I think it's not hard.
 
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