I'm issuing a Request/Challenge to the GTPlanet community!

[mc959]

Never used it in gt5, but i am using driving lines in gt6 and this was mostly for the new tracks, but knowing now the curves and how to tackle the turns i have no problems off turning them off now and i'll will probably not use the anymore. The only help i will be still using will be the ABS... as most cars have it now as standard i don't think this makes the game unreal...

 

[Rallywagon]

I raced with driving line on a few times in GT5, and when it turns itself on in GT6, damn glitchy game. Definitly race with it off. As others have said, the lines and breaking points are way off! If you need something for braking, learn how to pick breaking points on the side of the track like you should do, or us the gear indicator as a reference to when you should start looking at braking. I also race with a lot of HUD stuff turned off, the more you can get rid of, the better off you are. Especially if you race GTP clean, and not PD clean. Without all of that other crap flying at you, it allows you to better focus on traffic if your in it, or breaking points and lines.

The only help i will be still using will be the ABS... as most cars have it now as standard i don't think this makes the game unreal...

I go back and forth on this. Now that I have the GTEye in my G27, driving without ABS is so much better. However, most cars are horrible with the default brake balance, so if I am not tuning it, and I find that I have issue with the car locking up tires to easily, then I use it. I agree though, and I think most do, that ABS 1 isn't a bad thing.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I've never used the suggested gear indicator. I used the DL from the start of GT5P (back when I was using a DS3 and a lot slower), I was accustomed to it and found switching it off tough - it was habitual and I wasn't prepared to take a drop in speed/competitiveness whilst adjusting to other reference points.

When I started GT5 I never bothered switching it on and just learnt the braking points as I played through career mode.

Is the game more enjoyable without it? Probably. However, I didn't gain any speed between GT5P and GT5... my pace and level vs other drivers remained consistent... so saying you'll suddenly gain a load of pace just because you switch it off is simply not true.

Yes I agree that turning it on to off shouldn't make that much of a positive difference in lap time. I guess it depends on driver though, if someone is very fixed in way of driving to the line, it may open up new ideas to go faster once they take it off. My biggest step in performance from struggling to get Bronze in GT4 to be able to getting it without playing GT4 for years was actually by watching F1 again from end of 2008 to start of 2009 and also being a bit older probably helped too. I realised one simple thing when was wondering how they drive so good lap after lap, then it clicked, there are a lot of reference markers around tracks, it became largely a simple thing to figure out for me which line should be fast.

I setup PS2 and GT4 once I realised this and easily managed to get Gold on all events and get 100% in the game relatively quickly as just needed to do all licence tests and mission races again to get them up from Bronze to Gold standard. It felt a bit surreal though comparing previous fastest lap in same mission and then beating it by being about a minute faster in first hour of trying like on a track that I didn't know like the Nurburgring but simply thinking ahead and what ideal racing line should be for corners coming up. Beating Gold time by a bigger margin than I did for Bronze felt good.

 

[Dragonwhisky]

The driving line is a distraction and crutch. I normally drive from hood cam view, used to run bumper cam, but that gave me very little feel for the sides of the car and where they are in relation to the sides of the track. Lacking a triples set up and running in cockpit view, the only real option to allow you to get a feel for the car and where it is on track laterally, is third person view. I have never been able to use that view.

Since turning off the DL, almost 2 years ago, in GT5, and also turning off as many other HUD distractions, ie driver's list, map etc, I've gotten quite a bit faster. The first thing I did before turning the key on the first car in GT6 was turn all that off. The thing with the DL is, it's someone else's idea of a cautious and safe line and takes nothing of the actual driver and their controller setup into account. It certainly won't help you win many races. With the advent of new tracks I've never seen, I've put the map back on the hud until I learn the new layouts and remember what's coming, from one turn to the next. I've never used the gear flashy thing to gauge a brake point. It's on but I can't remember every paying attention to it.

Take all this with a grain of salt however. I can in no way be considered one of the fastest drivers in GT, but from my first online race to now, I can at least keep it on the track, most days.

Pick your own line and pick your own braking points, at least that way it'll be yours, even if they're wrong. You can bet the DL almost always is.

 

[gambleboyen]

I dont understand how some people play with the driving line on. Its the most distracting thing ever.
I always played all the GT's without it and it was as simple as learning the racing line by yourself and learning the tracks by yourself, which I think it's not hard.

There's not much use in the driving line when I go into the gravel in every other corner anyway
*a complete novice with wheel and pedals*

 

[Lellep]

Never been playing with the driving line "on" really... However as some have been mentioning; driving without the HUD. It's pretty nice but I find it annyoing since you cant see what lap you are on/see have many laps you have left etc....

 

[sparkytooth]

If you know about what makes a driving line, apexes, how to deal with certain corners, etc. If you know that, it's easy peasy to drive with no driving line. I haven't used driving line since about 3 years ago.

 

[Lawndart]

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Game's more enjoyable with the DL switched off, but as long as you adapt to where it varies from the optimum, using it is not a barrier to being quick.

I used it all the time in GT5P, competing at the very highest level, and when I stopped using it when GT5 launched I gained no extra speed.

For people who only play the game occasionally, and don't get the opportunity to ingrain the brake points and lines, it's a great addition to the game.

Comments like this are just silly... 2-3s lap time gain just because you switch off the DL

then you are an exception and have found a way to look beyond the line with it on, and that is harder than simply turning it off.

Not having the line encourages looking through the turn/s, planing multiple turns ahead, learning late breaking, and learn the track as a whole and not fixating on a line.

If one only ignored 50% of the breaking portion of the line their speed would go way up exponentially.

Keep in mind, this whole challenge is for those that are newer and have become custom with always having a line.

By all means, keep doing what you're doing for yourself. And your point might apply to one who is already adapt with the line on but if your really are as fast as you say then you would be horribly frustrated racing online will people who rely on the line...

 

[Lawndart]

The driving line is a distraction and crutch. I normally drive from hood cam view, used to run bumper cam, but that gave me very little feel for the sides of the car and where they are in relation to the sides of the track. Lacking a triples set up and running in cockpit view, the only real option to allow you to get a feel for the car and where it is on track laterally, is third person view. I have never been able to use that view.

Since turning off the DL, almost 2 years ago, in GT5, and also turning off as many other HUD distractions, ie driver's list, map etc, I've gotten quite a bit faster. The first thing I did before turning the key on the first car in GT6 was turn all that off. The thing with the DL is, it's someone else's idea of a cautious and safe line and takes nothing of the actual driver and their controller setup into account. It certainly won't help you win many races. With the advent of new tracks I've never seen, I've put the map back on the hud until I learn the new layouts and remember what's coming, from one turn to the next. I've never used the gear flashy thing to gauge a brake point. It's on but I can't remember every paying attention to it.

Take all this with a grain of salt however. I can in no way be considered one of the fastest drivers in GT, but from my first online race to now, I can at least keep it on the track, most days.

Pick your own line and pick your own braking points, at least that way it'll be yours, even if they're wrong. You can bet the DL almost always is.

That's stage 2, turning off the HUD distraction.

In real racing my put boss will disable my lap timer during practice sessions effectively removing any reference I have as there is no speedometer, just the tack... And even that can be a crutch that induces bad behavior/habits as you quickly fill in the blanks... Much like a blind man having enhanced hearing.

Regarding a game, it's the same, the more HUD data the more distraction no matter how small it is. A second with your eyes not on the track is a detail missed.

I also can't do seasonals with ghosts and friend lines... I have to turn then off (run my own race), and I tend to get top spot after a couple laps.

Every track has a flow, if you tap into it you'll have optimal situational advantage. Every car has an attitude, understand it and you'll master the tool. Then its pure skill in making the most of the tool for the trade.

An old tried and true reality that is often missed in today's data/analytics based world...

 

[sumbrownkid]

I only use the driving line to familiarize myself with braking points on new courses.

 

[WhoosierGirl]

I have been told I'm doing everything wrong by using the driving line, left foot braking and using an automatic transmission. I was still able to place in or around the top 50 in GT5 Time Trials but, I was determined to change all that on GT6 and learn the "correct way" in GT6 and hopefully improve into the top 40,30 and maybe top 20.

I tried all December and not only was I considerably slower I was getting frustrated and not enjoying the game as much. I decided this weekend to just go back to what I am comfortable with and was immediatly back on pace and I was having fun again. I am not saying I wouldn't be faster if I did change what I'm doing, I have just adapted to what I can and cannot do.

I don't follow the driving line, I just use it for reference on braking points. All I have to do is change a few numbers on the transmission and I can get it to shift where I want it to. I consider left foot braking, multitasking, us ladies are good at that, lol.

The driving line is definitely not the best way around the track but it can be a useful in-game tool.

 

[Stotty]

I have been told I'm doing everything wrong by using the driving line, left foot braking and using an automatic transmission. I was still able to place in or around the top 50 in GT5 Time Trials but, I was determined to change all that on GT6 and learn the "correct way" in GT6 and hopefully improve into the top 40,30 and maybe top 20.

I tried all December and not only was I considerably slower I was getting frustrated and not enjoying the game as much. I decided this weekend to just go back to what I am comfortable with and was immediatly back on pace and I was having fun again. I am not saying I wouldn't be faster if I did change what I'm doing, I have just adapted to what I can and cannot do.

I don't follow the driving line, I just use it for reference on braking points. All I have to do is change a few numbers on the transmission and I can get it to shift where I want it to. I consider left foot braking, multitasking, us ladies are good at that, lol.

The driving line is definitely not the best way around the track but it can be a useful in-game tool.

Considering you're likely considerably faster than the vast majority of the people posting in this thread, I wouldn't feel guilty about it

The line I've bolded in your post hits the nail on the head 👍

To find your way around a circuit you need reference points - and that could be brake markers, a mark on the track, a piece of kerbing, a track side advertising board or the driving line. As long as you have those reference points and feel comfortable with them, the only difference to how fast you'll run is your skill behind the wheel (or controller).

The reason some are saying the driving line is a distraction is because they have other reference points - and when they switch on the DL it is a distraction from these. That's how the DL is for me now - but I'm not so short sighted that I don't understand this. If you don't have other reference points the DL works perfectly well and you can be just as fast.

Left foot braking will make you faster, so it's good you do this... you still need to make the jump to manual gears though

 

[GTP_Ezza75]

The only aid I play with is ABS 1, but I found that turning the HUD completely off made me much faster.

I was about to say the same thing. Have you tried no HUD yet? It's fantastic. Really gets you into the game more.

Agreed...and found I stopped worrying or thinking about lap times, split times, how fast (or how slow), which gear etc etc etc....

....and just drive, and react by feeling what the car is doing. Turn off all HUDs, assists & aids (except ABS=1), use manual transmission, set grip=real...perservere for a week...and you will experience GT6 in another light.

Take OP's challenge...you will not regret getting better and faster.

Apologies for bad sound quality in video, it was recorded using a phone..and it was actually GT5's Nordschleife

 

[WhoosierGirl]

Left foot braking will make you faster, so it's good you do this... you still need to make the jump to manual gears though

I had a blonde moment and messed that up, I meant to write that I still right foot brake and my right foot is just multitasking. I drive a manual in real life but, my wheel attached to the dresser and me sitting on my vanity chair doesn't match the seating position in my little Porsche.

 

[Stotty]

I had a blonde moment and messed that up, I meant to write that I still right foot brake and my right foot is just multitasking. I drive a manual in real life but, my wheel attached to the dresser and me sitting on my vanity chair doesn't match the seating position in my little Porsche.

Well then... that's 2 things you need to switch to

Boxster?

 

[Akmuq]

I think I'm one of the few moderately fast drivers to not use reference points, I just look towards the apex and judge it from there, anytime I used reference points I found myself concentrating on the track surroundings instead of the track itself.

It could however be argued that deciding where to two wheel the kurbs or take a wide line in are reference points but I never have a specific 'brake-here' marker, I just notice how long the gear indicator ticks for and use that as a judgement.

 

[HuskyGT]

Driving line is almost always wrong. I only used it a couple of times to learn Ascari, Brands Hatch and Silverstone. And I didn't use it for the braking points, but just to know were the turns are. I don't use the map since I feel it clutters the screen too much. After a few laps, I now know those tracks by heart, so there is no need for the line anymore.

Never used it in gt5, but i am using driving lines in gt6 and this was mostly for the new tracks, but knowing now the curves and how to tackle the turns i have no problems off turning them off now and i'll will probably not use the anymore. The only help i will be still using will be the ABS... as most cars have it now as standard i don't think this makes the game unreal...

My thoughts exactly! It's not like you'll find an ABS On/Off switch on a modern car. In most of them you're only able to turn off Stability and Traction Control, and that's why those are always off in my case.

The only case were I've seen an ABS switch is in a BMW motorcycle. But turning it off in... let's say... a BMW M5? Not only is it not possible irl, but why would you do that? It's not like it will make you faster.

As for old cars and race cars, then I do agree. And in my case, I do keep ABS off on those. I don't really see ABS as an assist (at least in 1), as it doesn't really make a difference in your overall performance, it doesn't give you an advantage, and it certainly doesn't numb the car's capabilities as the other assists do.

And last; I don't really feel a difference in GT6 when having ABS 1 or Off. No sudden brake lock, loss of control or differences in braking distances. It almost feels identical as long as you use stock brakes.

 

[Jammasta]

Tried this morning, with success on the GT500 Series. Was hard to get used to but feeling more confident without it byt he last of the 5 races.

I'd normally only bother to learn the breaking points when we had an online race planned. Then DL was always off.

 

[uhsieh]

Tried it for the last few days. Got Gold in the M4 Time Trial. Thanks!

 

[Dotini]

I have been told I'm doing everything wrong by using the driving line, left foot braking and using an automatic transmission.

All I have to do is change a few numbers on the transmission and I can get it to shift where I want it to. I consider left foot braking, multitasking, us ladies are good at that, lol.

I'm interested in the use and tuning of the automatic transmisson. Because of my age, arthritis and carpal tunnel syndrome issues, I'm well advised to avoid the manual transmission. So I'm keen to learn the best ways to make use of the automatic.

Any tuning tips for it would be appreciated.

Recently I discovered the Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car has an automatic transmission that readily selects 1st gear for 40-45 mph hairpins, which is reasonably unique in my experience so far.

 

[twitcher]

I'm interested in the use and tuning of the automatic transmisson. Because of my age, arthritis and carpal tunnel syndrome issues, I'm well advised to avoid the manual transmission. So I'm keen to learn the best ways to make use of the automatic.

Any tuning tips for it would be appreciated.

Recently I discovered the Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car has an automatic transmission that readily selects 1st gear for 40-45 mph hairpins, which is reasonably unique in my experience so far.

Check this thread on transmission tuning, there's some info about setting Autos in there.

 

[Rallywagon]

I'm interested in the use and tuning of the automatic transmisson. Because of my age, arthritis and carpal tunnel syndrome issues, I'm well advised to avoid the manual transmission. So I'm keen to learn the best ways to make use of the automatic.

Any tuning tips for it would be appreciated.

Recently I discovered the Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car has an automatic transmission that readily selects 1st gear for 40-45 mph hairpins, which is reasonably unique in my experience so far.

Paddle shifting?

 

[Cowboy]

I've had the line off for 2 years, so I guess I dominated this challenge.