I'm kind of upset......

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For people that, unlike in most other sim racers, gets everything for free so far ie. cars, tracks in GTS you're complaining an awful lot.
 
Draggon
The roulette wheel cannot be random. PD must have some programmed some sort of algorithm, otherwise we'd hear folks complaining that they had gotten their 5th duplicate of the 330P4 or Jag.
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They don't have an algorithm that reduces the odds. As they add more cars your odds of getting one specific car progressively reduces. They actually need an algorithm and should establish drop odds for the more expensive cars and retain those odds despite the growth in the car count.
 
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ca18detsilvia
I have to start by saying, I can think of two or three other threads this post probably belongs in, and please move this into one if so required, but I just had to start a new thread to get this off my chest. I love the gran turismo series and have been playing since the second one. I've always been a huge Gran Turismo fan and supporter of the series and the week before Tsukuba was released I randomly started a thread asking if anyone missed Tsukuba. I was overjoyed when it was released and it reinvigorated my love for GTsport but despite most of the complaining on here I don't condone and agree with, I'm kind of frustrated tonight. I live with my girlfriend and her two kids and I don't have much time to play each day if any but the past week I have had every single $20million car in the daily carousel and have ended up with the least expensive multiple duplicate car possible. I'm lucky if I can get in an 18min Premium Sports Car Lounge Dragon tail race with my N300 M4 each day to earn credits and after over three weeks of saving, only have a little over 8million. It was a long time before I even saw a non purchasable car in the daily carousel but to see them all in the past week and still not being able to participate in the Nostalgic 1979 series after weeks of saving credits without being half way there has me frustrated. I never had a $20million car in GT6 but didn't mind because I was able to complete the game many times over without them. Why should I be prevented from completing the game when I can't dedicate my life to earning enough credits. Normally I have to scramble to earn enough credits to purchase the newly relased cars but since the last update have been actively trying to earn enough buy the Ferrari or Ford. GTsport is the only game I ever have time to play and not having a $20million car isn't going to change that but the fact that I can't complete the offline game 100% without it just doesn't set right with me. I don't think I've ever complained on here since being an avid reader for many many years but WTF PD.......
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You don’t need to dedicate your life to earning credits. Five more weeks of saving and you should have the 20 million.
 
fordlaser
There is nothing wrong for the AI to get me some credit. What got me going, is people are lazy because they want bigger payouts to get everything in a short period of time.

I only have my PS4 running overnight only a few times a week, but in the warm weather I will not have it on @super_gt .
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Wow you can't read.

I didn't say there was a problem with the AI getting credits, I'm saying you are a hypocrite for doing so, while at the same time calling others lazy for 'wanting something for nothing' when that is literally what you do.
 
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fordlaser
There is nothing wrong for the AI to get me some credit. What got me going, is people are lazy because they want bigger payouts to get everything in a short period of time.

I only have my PS4 running overnight only a few times a week, but in the warm weather I will not have it on @super_gt .
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You get your PS4 to earn credits for you and you think people are wrong for recognising a truly broken economy and wanting it fixed.

@VeeDoubleU Edit your post mate. Your last statement is outside what is allowed by the AUP.
 
watashi49uk
I must be even dumber than I thought; I can't think what "an AFK credit grinding exploit" might be. It sounds painful!
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An AFK credit grinding exploit is a method of grinding credits without having to actually play the game.
It usually involves an endurance race on an oval circuit and rubber bands on the controller for throttle/steering inputs.
 
BallPtPenTheif
They don't have an algorithm that reduces the odds. As they add more cars your odds of getting one specific car progressively reduces. They actually need an algorithm and should establish drop odds for the more expensive cars and retain those odds despite the growth in the car count.
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I can't say i agree with you on this. Prior to the 1.17 update I could get any car I wanted off that carousel by pressing the 0 button within a certain amount of time.
I got this trick to work about 98% of the time over a 2 month period. I contribute the other 2% to reaction time errors on my part.
The more people I convinced it really did work and how to do it quickly found out I was right. I also won 3 Ferrari 330's this way.

After 1.17/1.18 update it all stopped and no matter what I tried that trick was now gone. At the same time nobody I know & nobody I've seen in the Your Daily Workout Gift Thread has reported winning another 15 to 20 million credit car since that update.

Nothing about that carousel is random and never has been and until it changes again in another update I feel nobody is going to get one of those cars.
 
Draggon
The roulette wheel cannot be random. PD must have some programmed some sort of algorithm, otherwise we'd hear folks complaining that they had gotten their 5th duplicate of the 330P4 or Jag. I've had many an occasion that the day or two after I bought a car, I'd win it. It happened most recently with the Aston Martin Vulcan and the Merc W08. It's been a month now since I purchased the Ferrari. It's not even shown up on the wheel.

Actually I won 2 Vulcans the same week that I bought one.
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This made me curious. If it's random, then what are the chances of winning five duplicates of a car?

So I grabbed the car list and programmed a little roulette wheel in Python.
After 100 spins, 1 car was won 3 times, 15 cars were won 2 times, 67 cars were won once and 156 cars were never won.
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Okay, so the chance of winning five duplicates is pretty small. But what if we let one million people play on the roulette wheel 100 times each?

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(These 0.1 billion roulette spins took my computer about three minutes to simulate. But that's still a whooping 555,555 "frames" per second ;))

16,728/1,000,000 people won a car five times or more after 100 spins. That gives a probability of about 1/60.

Now, if you want to win five duplicates of the Ferrari 330 P4 or Jaguar XJ13, then I suppose we just multiply 1/60 (chance of winning >4 duplicates) by the chance of winning either a 330 P4 or an XJ13, which would be 2/239. That makes 1/7170, which means that out of the one million simulated players, around 140 can be expected to have won either a 330 P4 or an XJ13 five times or more.

I actually added a line of code to count how many times the 330 P4 and the XJ13 were won five times or more, and running the script three times gave results between 135 and 159.
 
While I agree that it is frustrating to have those cars locked away behind such a huge grind, the game has still offered me a hell of a lot for the price I paid for it. You don't need to get those cars to have fun in the game! I will say though that increasing the chances of winning it on the carousel would be nice, I've actually given up on trying to get prize cars because of how crap they are. E.g. Every single time there's been an A45 AMG on offer it has awarded me that.
 
Just got a chance to get on here and am surprised by how many replies my late night rant has gotten haha. I love GT sport and I think its a great game and I'm not going to stop playing it. I've got AC and Dirt4 but only really ever play GT sport because of the limited time available, which is no fault of PD. I'd rather have a girlfriend and a family than every car in the game hahaha. If there weren't races that required a $15million plus car I wouldn't really care much about them and would be overjoyed by winning on on the carousel at any random time.

My whole point is, that instead of doing "daily races" or spending my time tuning and comparing lap times which is what I really enjoy doing, every chance I get to play I'm grinding for credits just so I can complete the offline content. I'm always driving the lowest possible N class car on the same track for weeks on end which is getting old. Probably shouldn't have ranted on here, but oh well haha.

I really wish they'd bring back the log in multiplier and weekly offline races that gave a lot of credits like in GT6. I played GT6 up until GT sport came out and I'll be playing GT sport until the next one comes out like many others because I love the series.

The best thing about it though is that we get monthly updates and the game will continue to evolve over time. I think PD has done an amazing job and I am overall a happy customer. I just wish outrageously expensive cars weren't required to complete all the races and I didn't all of a sudden start getting these halo cars in the carousel to tease me.

I added spaces this time to make for easier reading and I'm about to go add spaces to my original post ;) hahahaha
 
Rinsky
I can't say i agree with you on this. Prior to the 1.17 update I could get any car I wanted off that carousel by pressing the 0 button within a certain amount of time.
I got this trick to work about 98% of the time over a 2 month period. I contribute the other 2% to reaction time errors on my part.
The more people I convinced it really did work and how to do it quickly found out I was right. I also won 3 Ferrari 330's this way.

After 1.17/1.18 update it all stopped and no matter what I tried that trick was now gone. At the same time nobody I know & nobody I've seen in the Your Daily Workout Gift Thread has reported winning another 15 to 20 million credit car since that update.

Nothing about that carousel is random and never has been and until it changes again in another update I feel nobody is going to get one of those cars.
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Sorry man, but your momentary psychic experience with the carousel really doesn't factor into this discussion. If you have an article describing this O button trick then I'll gladly agree with you but throwing out anecdotal experiences as fact isn't a path of discourse I'm willing to honor.

We've all seen weird stuff happen from the carousel. 3 times in a row, the silhouette I wished for actually hit but I never thought for a moment that I was literally willing something into reality. All of these anecdotal side observations are typical though, to any sort of gambling experience. You should hear my grandmother talk about slot machines, she could spend hours ranting about her "technique".
 
Rinsky
I can't say i agree with you on this. Prior to the 1.17 update I could get any car I wanted off that carousel by pressing the 0 button within a certain amount of time.
I got this trick to work about 98% of the time over a 2 month period. I contribute the other 2% to reaction time errors on my part.
The more people I convinced it really did work and how to do it quickly found out I was right. I also won 3 Ferrari 330's this way.

After 1.17/1.18 update it all stopped and no matter what I tried that trick was now gone. At the same time nobody I know & nobody I've seen in the Your Daily Workout Gift Thread has reported winning another 15 to 20 million credit car since that update.

Nothing about that carousel is random and never has been and until it changes again in another update I feel nobody is going to get one of those cars.
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So what was the trick for getting the Ferrari's on the wheel in the first place, because even if your 'trick' worked, it can only work on what you're offered, and by the sounds of it, some people get offered the 20 mill cars much more often than others.
 
BallPtPenTheif
Sorry man, but your momentary psychic experience with the carousel really doesn't factor into this discussion. If you have an article describing this O button trick then I'll gladly agree with you but throwing out anecdotal experiences as fact isn't a path of discourse I'm willing to honor.

We've all seen weird stuff happen from the carousel. 3 times in a row, the silhouette I wished for actually hit but I never thought for a moment that I was literally willing something into reality. All of these anecdotal side observations are typical though, to any sort of gambling experience. You should hear my grandmother talk about slot machines, she could spend hours ranting about her "technique".
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I wouldn't post something about it was only 3 times in a row. :lol:
Try more like 55 out of 60 and over two months of testing and had nothing to do with psychic.
You don't want to believe it that's absolutely fine and doesn't really matter to me. Like I said it doesn't work anymore anyway.
I know I did enough tests to know it wasn't a fluke. I had enough people test it out to know it wasn't a fluke. I also know and played previous GT titles with a carousel that had a very similar trick of getting the car you wanted.

All I'm saying is that the carousel is not random and it is set to give you a certain car now and that car will not be a highest prize car or somebody would have won one by now but they haven't.

So if You want to believe this carousel is completely random and there is no way PD has or had it set to do different things like never giving you one of the highest prize cars that's fine. I just don't agree with you.

MatskiMonk
So what was the trick for getting the Ferrari's on the wheel in the first place, because even if your 'trick' worked, it can only work on what you're offered, and by the sounds of it, some people get offered the 20 mill cars much more often than others.
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What choices it gave you on the carousel I believe was random but it might not have been I can't say that for sure.
But yes your right some people got the Ferrari or Jag on the wheel more than others.

The trick was to hit the 0 button within the first rotation of the carousel. Now remember it's already spinning as it starts to come into view. Being able to make out the car silhouette immediately was vital to getting the car you wanted. If you had to look at it for a second to make out what car it was then it was already to late.

The Ferrari & Jag were very easy to spot as a silhouette. I never did get the Jag to come up but I did get the Ferrari 3 times and won it all 3 too.
 
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ca18detsilvia
the past week I have had every single $20million car in the daily carousel and have ended up with the least expensive multiple duplicate car possible.
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This is incredibly disheartening when it happens. I know how you feel...

I've seen at least 3 or 4 of these expensive cars in the daily roulette already, and then of course I proceed to get another Civic, SRT or Camaro duplicate.
 
eran0004
This made me curious. If it's random, then what are the chances of winning five duplicates of a car?

So I grabbed the car list and programmed a little roulette wheel in Python.
After 100 spins, 1 car was won 3 times, 15 cars were won 2 times, 67 cars were won once and 156 cars were never won.
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Okay, so the chance of winning five duplicates is pretty small. But what if we let one million people play on the roulette wheel 100 times each?

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(These 0.1 billion roulette spins took my computer about three minutes to simulate. But that's still a whooping 555,555 "frames" per second ;))

16,728/1,000,000 people won a car five times or more after 100 spins. That gives a probability of about 1/60.

Now, if you want to win five duplicates of the Ferrari 330 P4 or Jaguar XJ13, then I suppose we just multiply 1/60 (chance of winning >4 duplicates) by the chance of winning either a 330 P4 or an XJ13, which would be 2/239. That makes 1/7170, which means that out of the one million simulated players, around 140 can be expected to have won either a 330 P4 or an XJ13 five times or more.

I actually added a line of code to count how many times the 330 P4 and the XJ13 were won five times or more, and running the script three times gave results between 135 and 159.
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Are you assuming all cars have an equal chance of being won?

P.S. The daily spinner has given me 5 Ford Focus Rally cars, 5 Jaguar Gr3 F-Types, 5 Alfa Mitos, 5 RS Trophy’s, 5 RS Clios, 5 86 GRMN’s, 6 Genesis Rally cars and exactly zero cars worth more than $12 million. How strange :boggled:
 
Rinsky
All I'm saying is that the carousel is not random and it is set to give you a certain car now and that car will not be a highest prize car or somebody would have won one by now but they haven't.

So if You want to believe this carousel is completely random and there is no way PD has or had it set to do different things like never giving you one of the highest prize cars that's fine. I just don't agree with you.
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Nobody won a 20 million credits car yet?

 
Sander 001
Are you assuming all cars have an equal chance of being won?

P.S. The daily spinner has given me 5 Ford Focus Rally cars, 5 Jaguar Gr3 F-Types, 5 Alfa Mitos, 5 RS Trophy’s, 5 RS Clios, 5 86 GRMN’s, 6 Genesis Rally cars and exactly zero cars worth more than $12 million. How strange :boggled:
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My example is for equal chance.

If you have a list of, say, 6 cars that you want to win, then the chance of winning at least one car from that list is 1-((n-6)/n)^a, where n is the number of cars in the game and a is the number is spins.

With 239 cars (basically the current car list) and 20 spins, the chance is 0.4
With 239 cars and 50 spins, the chance is 0.72
With 239 cars and 100 spins, the chance is 0.92

That's for a static car list though. With an expanding car list where the cars you want are added later on it would be something like 0/170 cars for the first 20 spins, then 2/180 for the next 20 spins, then 3/200 for 20 spins, then 5/210 for 20 spins, etc. etc.

Looking at your list it seems like it's not equal chance though, given the amount of quintuples and not having won any >$12 million car. For example, with 300 spins and 200 cars, I get an average of 2.7 quintuples and a 99% chance of at least one out of a list of three cars (guesstimating some kind of middle ground between all the updates). It could be that the price of the car determines how likely it is to appear in the wheel.
 
I have never won a 15 or 20 mill car, nor any Group 2 cars.
Usually, when I win a duplicate to a car I've bought - then a sell the car I paid credits for.

I am upto 440 cars, having played something like 85% of the possible days since release.
I have 208 N class cars, having won 6 Alfa Mito, 5 Civic Type R, 5 Hellcat, 5 Toyota Racing Concept, 4 N RCZ. 4 AM Vantage and 4 Camaro (I rarely ever use n class cars]
Group B - I been given 10 Fords, 3 Peugeots, Nissan and Hyundai [I rarely ever use Group B cars]

The games seems to think that I like Peugeot - and that is probably my least favourite make. I've never used the Group B, 3 or 4 versions, and yet i have been given almost all of the 29 Peugeots I have - including several of the VGTs.


I wonder if the coding is biased towards giving cars you don't tend to use?
I very rarely get a car that adds something useful to me garage.
 
Vegard
An AFK credit grinding exploit is a method of grinding credits without having to actually play the game.
It usually involves an endurance race on an oval circuit and rubber bands on the controller for throttle/steering inputs.
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Thank you for clarifying that for me. Sorry to be such a dope!
 

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